Parent Sponsorship, Income Requirement or Financial Evaluation

[ZIDYAY]

Hi and Happy New Year to everyone!

May I have your opinion guys. I got employed for a month after landing in Canada in 2010. I am working for the same company I first joined up to the present. Therefore, I have Notice of Assessments for the full two years only-2011 and 2012.My NOA for 2013 will become available only by April or later. Now I am petitioning my parent and under the new rules I have to submit documents for the most recent 3 years.

I have my Certificate of Employment that also shows my pay for the whole of 2013 as well as my pay stub that mentions also my accumulative salary for the year. Do you think these documents accurate and valid enough to support the income I had in 2013?

Will immigration accept only either NOA or Option C printout which like NOA can only be obtained after you filed your income? Are there other ways other than wait until I have copies of NOA for the full 3 years?

I need very badly your advice. What else can I do? I know this year application to the Parent/Grandparent Sponsorship,after being suspended for 2 years, is no different from New York marathon because only 5000 will be accepted. And I don't want my parents application to wait for another year.

Thanks. Your comment will be highly appreciated.

 

[networkjas]

Since you start working in 2010 ( even 2010 ) and your income qualify you should file the case today.

 

[ZIDYAY]

I am sorry there is already a section on the same topic.

I have been reading that one and I saw one very clear argument. If CIC is saying that applicant must submit NOA or Option C for the past three years prior to application, therefore everybody has to wait until they have obtained their tax payment documents in 2013.If they will accept only those who have NOA/OC for 2010,2011,2012,those who were unemployed or had incomes below threshold in 2013 will unfairly qualify. Also, those who had been living and working in Canada say the past 5 or 6 years can selectively chose their NOAs that meet the threshold and use them in their application. I think some clarity will have to be made by the CIC on this matter.

 

[scylla]

CIC has made the requirements very clear in the application guide. They are expecting applicants to submit NOAs/Option Cs for 2010, 2011 and 2012 that meet LICO to qualify as a sponsor.

If someone doesn't meet LICO for 2010, then they will have to wait until their NOA/Option C is available for 2013. Unfortunately it's quite likely the cap will be filled by the time the 2013 documents are available. Having said that, you can certainly try to apply once your NOA/Option C for 2013 is available. This is your only option if you don't want to wait for another year.

 

[scylla]

Also, those who had been living and working in Canada say the past 5 or 6 years can selectively chose their NOAs that meet the threshold and use them in their application.

No - they can't selectively choose. They need to provide 2010, 2011 and 2012.

 

[ZIDYAY]

Guys, let me quote exactly what the guide says:

"If you are sponsoring a parent or a grandparent, you must submit a Notice of Assessment or Option C print out issued to you by the Canada Revenue Agency for each of the three years immediately preceding the date of your application".

Immediately preceding the date of application(2014) is 2013. It can not be clearer than that. Also, if CIC means that only those who have NOA/OC for 2010,2011,2012 may apply, because 2013 is not included, those who meet the threshold in 2009 and years earlier, but not in 2010, will not qualify? Again, how will this affect those who were unemployed in the whole year of 2013. They will not qualify because sometime in the processing they will be discovered to have not met the income requirement.

 

[Rob_TO]

Guys, let me quote exactly what the guide says:

"If you are sponsoring a parent or a grandparent, you must submit a Notice of Assessment or Option C print out issued to you by the Canada Revenue Agency for each of the three years immediately preceding the date of your application".

Immediately preceding the date of application(2014) is 2013. It can not be clearer than that. Also, if CIC means that only those who have NOA/OC for 2010,2011,2012 may apply, because 2013 is not included, those who meet the threshold in 2009 and years earlier, but not in 2010, will not qualify? Again, how will this affect those who were unemployed in the whole year of 2013. They will not qualify because sometime in the processing they will be discovered to have not met the income requirement.

Read this: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=825&t=14
A sponsor applying on January 2, 2014 will be required to provide proof of income for 2010, 2011 and 2012, given that the notice of assessment for 2013 would not be available at the time of the application.

Income in 2009 or anytime before is completely irrelevant.

You will need to also prove 2013 income, and possibly 2014 income... later in the process. You need to maintain LICO+30% right up until parents get their PR status, and CIC does check on this during the long process. So even if one qualifies initially while being unemployed in 2013, later when CIC asks for 2013 proof they will be quickly rejected at that time.

 

[toronto27]

Guys, let me quote exactly what the guide says:

"If you are sponsoring a parent or a grandparent, you must submit a Notice of Assessment or Option C print out issued to you by the Canada Revenue Agency for each of the three years immediately preceding the date of your application".

Immediately preceding the date of application(2014) is 2013. It can not be clearer than that. Also, if CIC means that only those who have NOA/OC for 2010,2011,2012 may apply, because 2013 is not included, those who meet the threshold in 2009 and years earlier, but not in 2010, will not qualify? Again, how will this affect those who were unemployed in the whole year of 2013. They will not qualify because sometime in the processing they will be discovered to have not met the income requirement.

There are many here who were unemployed in 2010 or had lower income than required because of tail of recession. That won't bend what CIC has decided as benchmark for new Parent and Grandparent Sponsorship. Currently they are asking for 2010, 2011 and 2012 financial documents as they are most recent and available. They don't say any where that decision on your sponsorship will be based on that three year's income. Further down the road, everyone will be asked to update forms, financial documents and marital status. If a person is unemployed in 2013 might be able to get his/her file in 5000 cap but down the road he/she will face tough question from CIC. The logic behind new rules is to make sure that sponsor(s) are well off to take care of all family members and they will need to meet the standards during the entire application process and even after that.

 

[scylla]

If you read through the guide in detail, you will see that CIC has specifically provided a table of LICO amounts for the three years that apply for parent/grandparent sponsorship in 2013. The three years included in this table are 2010, 2011 and 2012 (2013 is NOT included). So it's very clear that these are the three years CIC is expecting sponsors to provide in their applications.

Yes - this means that those who meet the threshold in 2009 but not 2010 will not qualify.

If someone is unemployed in 2013 this will very likely catch up to them and their application will eventually be refused. For the visa to be issued, the sponsor must continue to meet LICO after the application is filed and until the entire application is approved. As we've seen from past processing, CIC will often re-verify LICO further on in this process. This re-verification will catch those who did not meet LICO in 2013 and/or subsequent years.

 

[ZIDYAY]

Thank you so much guys. Your replies are all appreciated. By the way are you connected with the CIC?

Reading from your comments I can only conclude that CIC seems not interested at all to give visas to parents. All those that landed earlier than 2010 would have already applied under the old threshold income that is much lower than today. Therefore, those who would apply under the new rules were those prevented from doing so by the program suspension most of whom are just beginning to establish themselves and hence may have low income or incomes that just barely meet the requirement. And there are also the conditions that sponsor's income must never go down the set minimum threshold while application is being processed. Not only that rules to apply are very strict; sponsors are even scared to even attempt to apply.