Parent sponsorship by two sisters

[sfars]

Hello everyone,

We are two sisters want to sponsor our parents. We need one to be the co-signer of the other. However according to the Financial Evaluation form, only a common-law partner or spouse can be co-signer. Anyone has any idea on how we can sponsor our parents?

thank you in advance

 

[screech339]

Only one of you can sponsor the parents, preferable the one who can meet the lico requirement. It doesnt matter if parents were split between the two sisters, as both parents must be included in family size. Family size is still 3 for single sister and sponsoring one parent. So you might as well have one sister doing the sponsoring of both parents. As the rules states, only spouses/common law can co-sign for the parents/grandparents.

 

[Rob_TO]

We need one to be the co-signer of the other. However according to the Financial Evaluation form, only a common-law partner or spouse can be co-signer.

That is right, sisters can't be co-signers, only spouses.

So if neither you nor your sister has sufficient income on your own (assuming neither of you have a spouse) to meet MNI for your family size, then unfortunately you can't qualify to sponsor your parents at this time.

You will need to wait until one of you has income on your own for 3 years to qualify, or if one of you get a spouse/common-law partner you can use their income also for past 3 years.

Note for family size of 3, the income required to sponsor in Jan 2016 would be:
2014 2013 2012
$47,051 $46,354 $45,040

 

[simma882002]

In the same category.....it appears my sister does not meet the MNI requirement but I do. However the sponsorship letter can only be addressed to one person and that was her. We are sponsoring our parents to come to Canada. Can I apply as the sponsor?

 

[scylla]

In the same category.....it appears my sister does not meet the MNI requirement but I do. However the sponsorship letter can only be addressed to one person and that was her. We are sponsoring our parents to come to Canada. Can I apply as the sponsor?

Unfortunately you cannot. You will have to enter the lottery next year and hope you are selected.

 

[PhdStream]

This is interesting, why not siblings allowed to be co-signers to help sponsoring their parents and take joint responsibility (in real/life this happens mostly). May be I am missing any ambiguity or loop-hop that might be created this (one is multiple EoIs for same parents, even though all EoIs involve same people, just different combinations as sponsor and co-signers).

On the other hand, one, which is and were not financially eligible to sponsor parents, can get into a relationship with someone with enough income, at least in the past, just to be financially eligible (this can be inferred from at least one of the member in this forum).

 

[frange]

On the other hand, one, which is and were not financially eligible to sponsor parents, can get into a relationship with someone with enough income, at least in the past, just to be financially eligible (this can be inferred from at least one of the member in this forum).
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Unfortunately it's not feasible since LICO takes into account the passed 3 fiscal years. If you get into a relationship with someone meeting LICO requirements for the current fiscal year; so what about the passed 2 years? This can only happen in Quebec which LICO is 12 months and the Quebec NOA is not mandatory for a new Quebec resident with federal NOA as well as quebec residence proofs.

«DURA LEX, SED LEX»« Law is hard; but it's law»....

 

[simma882002]

Thanks all for your swift responses and advise. greatly appreciated.

(1.) The parents/grandparents sponsorship systems in inherently flawed.....first all why issue an invitation to sponsor to someone who only has 2 years CRA record. (Sister immigrated to Canada in 2019).
(2). Also it appears no due diligence is done at the back end. The "Random" selection isn't done at the beneficiary level i.e. the Parent or Grandparent to be sponsored. Otherwise it wouldn't matter which of their children sponsors them.
(3). It makes more sense that the child with greater economic strength should sponsor. or in fact all the children living in Canada. The lessens the potential burden of such applicants on the Canada social resources.
(4). Siblings that live together in the same house cant co-sign on their parents sponsorship application but guess what the rule allows a a new partner with a substantive income over the last 3 tax years to co-sign.
(5). A son in-law can be allowed to co-sign for a parent in-laws application and subjected to written commitment to support them for 3 years upon becoming PR whilst the other children of beneficiaries aren't legally bound to their financial sustenance.

I find the rule counter-intuitive as it goes against the grain of cohesive family values and cultural fabric of many immigrant backgrounds.

 

[noideaatall]

Thanks all for your swift responses and advise. greatly appreciated.

(1.) The parents/grandparents sponsorship systems in inherently flawed.....first all why issue an invitation to sponsor to someone who only has 2 years CRA record. (Sister immigrated to Canada in 2019).
(2). Also it appears no due diligence is done at the back end. The "Random" selection isn't done at the beneficiary level i.e. the Parent or Grandparent to be sponsored. Otherwise it wouldn't matter which of their children sponsors them.
(3). It makes more sense that the child with greater economic strength should sponsor. or in fact all the children living in Canada. The lessens the potential burden of such applicants on the Canada social resources.
(4). Siblings that live together in the same house cant co-sign on their parents sponsorship application but guess what the rule allows a a new partner with a substantive income over the last 3 tax years to co-sign.
(5). A son in-law can be allowed to co-sign for a parent in-laws application and subjected to written commitment to support them for 3 years upon becoming PR whilst the other children of beneficiaries aren't legally bound to their financial sustenance.

I find the rule counter-intuitive as it goes against the grain of cohesive family values and cultural fabric of many immigrant backgrounds.

The system is flawed but the main problem I see is that your sister applied when she is not really qualified.

 

[Buletruck]

5). It’s 20 years.

 

[PhdStream]

Unfortunately it's not feasible since LICO takes into account the passed 3 fiscal years. If you get into a relationship with someone meeting LICO requirements for the current fiscal year; so what about the passed 2 years? This can only happen in Quebec which LICO is 12 months and the Quebec NOA is not mandatory for a new Quebec resident with federal NOA as well as quebec residence proofs.

«DURA LEX, SED LEX»« Law is hard; but it's law»....

Let me start with saying that you are right and wrong both. Like you, I and many other sons/daughters get an idea of how to count family members and from when from the IRCC guide here.

We, you and I, are right because of the Example 2 in the guide; as we understood from when a partner is counted towards a family size as well as a co-signers is by extending Example 2 in the guide, i.e., from the year when the legal relationship is established (just as a child is born).

We are wrong because some members of this thread stressed a sentence in the guide to define co-signer, that reads as below

Regardless of how long you’ve been married or in a common-law relationship:

• your spouse or common-law partner can be your co-signer
• your co-signer must provide proof of income for the last 3 taxation years before the date of your application

So for example (not saying if anyone is doing this), if I am invited now to sponsor my parents tomorrow, despite the fact that I do not meet the financial requirements but have filed tax for 2018, 2019 and 2020, I am eligible as long as my partner meet the requirements as my co-signer. When I established the relationship does not matter (I can marry day after tomorrow or next week) provided I have a proof of relationship, marriage certificate, at the time of application, i.e., on or before December 6, 2018.

It seems if you present your case by writing a compelling explanation letter and/or hire a good lawyer to do that, you can actually work in this loop-hole.

 

[PhdStream]

Thanks all for your swift responses and advise. greatly appreciated.

(1.) The parents/grandparents sponsorship systems in inherently flawed.....first all why issue an invitation to sponsor to someone who only has 2 years CRA record. (Sister immigrated to Canada in 2019).
(2). Also it appears no due diligence is done at the back end. The "Random" selection isn't done at the beneficiary level i.e. the Parent or Grandparent to be sponsored. Otherwise it wouldn't matter which of their children sponsors them.
(3). It makes more sense that the child with greater economic strength should sponsor. or in fact all the children living in Canada. The lessens the potential burden of such applicants on the Canada social resources.
(4). Siblings that live together in the same house cant co-sign on their parents sponsorship application but guess what the rule allows a a new partner with a substantive income over the last 3 tax years to co-sign.
(5). A son in-law can be allowed to co-sign for a parent in-laws application and subjected to written commitment to support them for 3 years upon becoming PR whilst the other children of beneficiaries aren't legally bound to their financial sustenance.

I find the rule counter-intuitive as it goes against the grain of cohesive family values and cultural fabric of many immigrant backgrounds.

Well I agree with the emotional side, I disagree with the fact that immigrant sons and daughters shall not be discriminated based on fact that how high their salary is. Everybody should be treated equally, as long as a person or couple can afford to support his/her or their kids, parents and/or parents-in-law. One example, though pathetic, a son/daughter should be judged based on the fact that he/she can afford to provide his/her parents a descent cloths, not what brand of cloth they can afford/provide.

By the way, for me if they use how much I, and or my partner together, make and for how long we have been earning, then I wont say I will on the top but I am sure I will be selected based on how much I and my wife individually or together make vs the median family income of Canada, which is not more than 100K.