Parent and grandparent sponsorship

[PMM]

Hi

Starting in 2014, sponsors will have to prove they have met LICO for three years to qualify as sponsors (not just one year). So unless the FSW immigrant worked in Canada for two years before becoming a PR, they'll be looking at three years after they land (and get a job) before they can sponsor parents/grandparents.

The LICO for 3 year plus 30%

 

[Suin]

I still don't understand what you mean by only skilled worker class PRs being able to sponsor 10 people over. Family class could do the very same thing.

Starting in 2014, sponsors will have to prove they have met LICO for three years to qualify as sponsors (not just one year). So unless the FSW immigrant worked in Canada for two years before becoming a PR, they'll be looking at three years after they land (and get a job) before they can sponsor parents/grandparents.

I am surprised that nobody noticed that I had written "for example" FSW, it could be any person who obtained PR by any program offered by the CIC. I mentioned FSW as I personally know one person who got PR by FSW program managed to get 10! members of his family sponsored.

Also I said - in the past, before the Parents sponsorship program was temporarily closed. I do hope that the program that will start in January 2914 will be more effective that in used to be.

 

[Suin]

It's not personal, it's stating a fact. You said you'd be happy to be responsible for all health care related costs for parents, so i'm saying there is already a quick and easy way to get parents to Canada in place today - the supervisa.

But I am maybe one of the thousands who is willing to pay for all the need of the person who I would invite or sponsor - just pointed out my own point of view. And in this threat I was not the one who asked for the advise as I definitely do not need it as I know the way I would go if I need to in the future.

 

[torontosm]

Why "we"? The parents have their children who sponsored them and signed the undertaking for 10 years. And those children who sponsored them are paying taxes too. Imagine how much tax should be paid by the person with the required income they have to mainain that is usually no less than 50K or even more?
Also the regular health care benefits, as it's well-known, do not cover everything.

Yes, the children are indeed paying taxes, and in return, the children and their dependents are availing benefits. The parents, however, have not contributed anything to the country, and as a result, will be a burden to all other tax payers. I, for one, am not willing to shoulder this burden.

If the parents want to be with their children so badly, why can't they come on a supervisa? Why do they want free healthcare, pensions and other benefits?

 

[screech339]

But I am maybe one of the thousands who is willing to pay for all the need of the person who I would invite or sponsor - just pointed out my own point of view. And in this threat I was not the one who asked for the advise as I definitely do not need it as I know the way I would go if I need to in the future.

@Suin

In the future, are you planning on applying for your parents/grandparents on supervisa or apply for parent/grandparent sponsorship to bring them over since you know the way you would go in the future?

 

[sumair1]

Sorry but this is the very definition or spirit of not only the Canadian immigration policy, and any immigration policy of any country in the world.[...]Else why stop at parents/grandparents... if no person should be treated as commodity, then why not allow PR apps for all brothers and sisters no matter their age?[...]

Some countries, for example United States, allows sponsoring Parents and Siblings (regardless of their age or marital status) including their dependents.
However, United States does not have universal health care, yet. The wait times for some applications are quite long.

Some more economic "persuasion" :
Canada gained an economic advantage when an adult became a Permanent Resident/Citizen via Federal Skilled Worker program (or any other economic class of immigration). This is because Canada did not have to invest in his/her education (Elementary school to University) which, as it currently stands, would amount to a large amount.

If that person now wishes to apply for his/her parent's permanent residence, is it a large burden on the tax papers? Possibly - I cannot honestly say that there will be no affect on the system whatsoever. However, not all PR/"new" Citizens apply for their parent's permanent residence. Not all parents will burden Canada's universal health care.

 

[screech339]

However, not all PR/"new" Citizens apply for their parent's permanent residence. Not all parents will burden Canada's universal health care.

I agree that not “all PR/”new” citizens apply for parents sponsorship, but those that do, do it so they can get on Canada Health Care. When does it is become a problem? When 5% of PR/citizens sponsor them or 50% when the effect of parents sponsorship on health care become more noticeable. So when the numbers are small, we all look the other way, because it is a victimless? No matter how you slice it, the moment you bring unemployable parents/grandparents over, they add to the strain of our health care due to the fact they never contributed anything to health care all their lives.

Since you say not “all parents will burden Canada’s universal health care”, does this mean you are okay with strapping the grandparents sponsorship completely and sponsor employable parents thus contribute to health care?

 

[torontosm]

If that person now wishes to apply for his/her parent's permanent residence, is it a large burden on the tax papers? Possibly - I cannot honestly say that there will be no affect on the system whatsoever. However, not all PR/"new" Citizens apply for their parent's permanent residence. Not all parents will burden Canada's universal health care.

The magnitude of the burden is irrelevant. If that person wants their parents to come to Canada, they should shoulder the burden themselves (i.e., purchase insurance for the supervisa). Also, aside from healthcare, why should the parents receive pension and other benefits when they haven't contributed anything to the country? They are welcome to visit and stay for extended periods of time, but at some point, we MUST close our borders. The whole immigration thing is becoming a joke.

 

[screech339]

As torontosm mentioned above, not only do these parents/grandparents get access to health care , also get other access to social benefits such as old age pension. Pension that everyone gets regardless of employment history, length of residency.

They will not be able to get Canada Pension since it is based on employment history and residency. Since they never worked, they can't qualify to collect.

 

[Anikish]

Help Help!!

My aunt had applied for myself and family since in 2009 January in Canada. Additional documents was requested in March 2012 and was sent to her in March 2012. We are here in Guyana and received a AOR letter in February 2013. The Online application status update is Application Received.
We haven't got any letter for medical as yet. Our visa office is Trinidad and Tobago.
Can u guys assist me on whats happening??? Sad

 

[zardoz]

Help Help!!

My aunt had applied for myself and family since in 2009 January in Canada. Additional documents was requested in March 2012 and was sent to her in March 2012. We are here in Guyana and received a AOR letter in February 2013. The Online application status update is Application Received.
We haven't got any letter for medical as yet. Our visa office is Trinidad and Tobago.
Can u guys assist me on whats happening??? Sad

Did you just pick a random thread and post on it?

 

[canvis2006]

The Canadian immigration has recently released an announcement that application to petition parent and grandparent shall be opened this coming January,2014. Presently, the waiting period for this kind of petition if coming from the Philippines is 40 months for Step 1 and 59 months in Step 2. Overall the total is a little more than 8 years.

When Canadian immigration suspended the acceptance of application, the average waiting period was 7 years for this category. And the rationale that was told for having it suspended was because the waiting was too long. The program was considered not sustainable. It was mentioned also that the suspension will result in the shortening of waiting period because the processing of petitions earlier received will be accelerated or speed up. This will happen as new criteria is being established.

The program is set to open and yet based on most recent record the waiting has not improved but in fact became longer. My question is does anyone know whether the waiting period will dramatically change in January 2014 or it will be the same as today? Two years after the suspension, why has the waiting period not improved but rather it deteriorated?

It appears that Canada immigration is giving very low priority to parents after they launched the Supervisa. As a parent, I am getting to be disappointed with the government policy. I consider myself still young, educated and skilled. However, I could not qualify anymore under the FSW because of my age. I am confident I can get employment if only I can be provided the authorization to work. Under the Supervisa this is not possible because I am entering only as tourist. If on the other hand my son's petition for us can be processed and approved soon, we shall land as permanent resident and therefore very much authorized to work. I hope the Canadian government is not lumping all parents under one category who are all potential dependents on government subsidies or assistance. They are being discouraged to join with their children to Canada. A more objective evaluation of application to my mind is necessary so that those who have stronger qualifications to become productive and independent will be given due consideration.

I shall appreciate any comment regarding the issues I raised.

The processing times have come down at many offices, things have started moving. Backlog is already halved, and most are now in medicals/background checks stage. So the waiting time has reduced in many offices, though not all. Many cases are already complete with visas issued, etc.

I'm glad CIC still kept the program, even with newer stringent conditions, etc.
It's good they did not end it completely.

The abuse of EI/welfare, and benefits, needs to be stopped, whether its by Canadians, PR's or foreigners popping babies in Canada while visiting.
Unfortunately I don't see that happening, as it will eliminate a lot of white-collar jobs in govt....might as well outsource it.

 

[mikeymyke]

While I value every bit of new information tossed into to this conversation, I can't but feel bad on the clear bias and seeming cruelty against parents and grandparents expressed by a couple of you. It is obvious that many don't like parents to come because they do not contribute to the tax pool yet they draw benefits. This conclusion I hope it is not the spirit of the Canadian immigration policy. Otherwise, it puts human beings to the level of commodity- you have not proven any use, you have no apparent value. Let it come that all of you become parent and grow old. You will feel how it is to be treated with very much diminished value and respect.

Don't you also think you don't have compassion when you chose to leave your family to go live in another country? You can either stay and live with them, and take care of them, with compassion, or you can immigrate here, make lots of money, and send to them, with compassion.

Before you immigrated here, you knew it wouldn't be easy to bring your parents here and that you would have to leave them, and yet you made the choice to do it.

Getting a PR from Canada is something many immigrants dream of, and very few achieve, because they are not married to Canadian, have relevant work experience, money, etc. Hence it is a privilege, not a right. If we don't put restrictions on how many people, and who can come here, many aunts, uncles, cousins, hell, even SECOND cousins will show up, draining our resources, hospitals become overcrowded, too many EI claimants, overcrowded schools, they don't speak English, etc. You don't see why it's necessary to put limits on immigration? It will be a gong show if so many people start coming here.

Look at my grandma, she came to Canada 20 years ago, doesn't speak a word of English, never worked a day in her life in Canada, and she gets $1200 a month from the government, and free health care. I love her dearly, but if we allow so many people like her to come in, our entire infrastructure will crumble.

We need to make our country more prosperous by filling in worker shortages in the trades by bringing in skilled workers. We need to bring in working age people like young spouses/dependents, to start putting in tax dollars into our system, and building our hospitals, roads, schools, etc. We cannot become a country of welfare.

If you want to take care of your parents, you should bring them here under the supervisa (by the way it lasts about 10 years I believe), and when they have to go back home, just re-apply and send money to them in the mean time.

 

[torontosm]

While I value every bit of new information tossed into to this conversation, I can't but feel bad on the clear bias and seeming cruelty against parents and grandparents expressed by a couple of you. It is obvious that many don't like parents to come because they do not contribute to the tax pool yet they draw benefits. This conclusion I hope it is not the spirit of the Canadian immigration policy. Otherwise, it puts human beings to the level of commodity- you have not proven any use, you have no apparent value. Let it come that all of you become parent and grow old. You will feel how it is to be treated with very much diminished value and respect.

I think that parents and grandparents have tremendous value. However, just as I don't ask you to pay to support my parents, I'm not willing to pay any incremental taxes to support yours. It's purely a financial decision...Canada is already overburdened by obligations to people who don't or haven't contributed to the economy, and we really don't need to compound the problem any further.