Outland or Inland and Dual Citizenship

[Fantasmu]

Hey everyone! I'm a Canadian citizen in Ontario and I'm currently engaged to a girl from Ohio. The wedding is at the beginning of June and she will be moving to Canada following the honeymoon.

Couple questions - first, do you suggest we do an outland or inland application for permanent residency? I understand that outland takes less time but it may take longer to be able to work, and inland takes a long, long time but she would be able to get a work permit and even apply for OHIP. I'm not too concerned about the length it takes because I'm expecting a long time anyways. Any suggestions would be great!

Secondly, she is a dual citizen of America and Brazil (she was born in Brazil). From what I've heard, it's illegal to have three citizenships. What is the process for removing one of those citizenships (the Brazilian one because the American one will be more useful to us)? Does she have to do that before we apply for permanent residency for that?

And just a general permanent residency application question - can I pay now and then complete the application when she's actually living here?

Thanks!

 

[CDNPR2014]

apply outland.

applying for pr status is not applying for canadian citizenship. she has to be a pr in canada for 4 years before she can even start considering citizenship, so it's not something she needs to worry about right now.

apply outland

applying inland just for the work permit is ill advised for us citizens. us citizens are being approved in 5-8 months for outland right now, many shorter. yes, it "only" takes 4 months to get the open work permit. no, she won't be eligible for ohip sooner because of it. as an outland applicant she is eligible for ohip 90 days after landing. as an inland app with an own she is eligible for ohip only after working for an employer for 6 months. so no, it doesn't make sense for a us citizen to apply inland.

apply outland.

 

[Rob_TO]

From what I've heard, it's illegal to have three citizenships.

This is not true at all. Rules around citizenship are up to each individual country. Some allow multiple citizenships, others don't. There is certainly no rule in general around having 3 or more citizenships.

You can have 10 citizenship if you qualified for it and all the counties involved allowed multiple citizenship.

Canada and US allow multiple citizenship and I think Brazil does to. So this shouldn't be a concern for you at all.

Oh and definitely apply OUTLAND.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Couple questions - first, do you suggest we do an outland or inland application for permanent residency? I understand that outland takes less time but it may take longer to be able to work, and inland takes a long, long time but she would be able to get a work permit and even apply for OHIP. I'm not too concerned about the length it takes because I'm expecting a long time anyways. Any suggestions would be great!

Secondly, she is a dual citizen of America and Brazil (she was born in Brazil). From what I've heard, it's illegal to have three citizenships. What is the process for removing one of those citizenships (the Brazilian one because the American one will be more useful to us)? Does she have to do that before we apply for permanent residency for that?

And just a general permanent residency application question - can I pay now and then complete the application when she's actually living here?

OUTLAND. Why are you expecting it to take a long time? American apps can zip through Ottawa in a matter of a few months. Also, the work permit provided with inland does not allow her to get OHIP; there is a whole thread on here dedicated to that.

As said above, no issues here in Canada with multiple citizenship. Besides, she won't get Canadian citizenship for at least 4-5 years.

Yes, you can pay the fees anytime.

 

[Aquakitty]

Hey everyone! I'm a Canadian citizen in Ontario and I'm currently engaged to a girl from Ohio. The wedding is at the beginning of June and she will be moving to Canada following the honeymoon.

Couple questions - first, do you suggest we do an outland or inland application for permanent residency? I understand that outland takes less time but it may take longer to be able to work, and inland takes a long, long time but she would be able to get a work permit and even apply for OHIP. I'm not too concerned about the length it takes because I'm expecting a long time anyways. Any suggestions would be great!

Secondly, she is a dual citizen of America and Brazil (she was born in Brazil). From what I've heard, it's illegal to have three citizenships. What is the process for removing one of those citizenships (the Brazilian one because the American one will be more useful to us)? Does she have to do that before we apply for permanent residency for that?

And just a general permanent residency application question - can I pay now and then complete the application when she's actually living here?

Thanks!

Let me just add: outland!! Someone on the US thread just got DM in 2 months. It takes 4 months just to get the work permit, if you are lucky.

 

[Fantasmu]

Thanks for the replies!

Let me know if this is the right way to go about it: I pay the fees for the Outland application this week. Then, following our honeymoon we enter into Canada on June 14. We tell the border guard that we are entering with dual intent (traveller visa and permanent residency application).

That's what a couple of people have told me, what do you guys think?

And another quick question about importing her furniture (a bedroom set and two sofas): if we are entering and she's coming as a traveller, does that mean we are to pay duties on the goods? And do we give the value of the items when they were purchased or an approximation?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I have everything in order.

Thanks again!

 

[Rob_TO]

And another quick question about importing her furniture (a bedroom set and two sofas): if we are entering and she's coming as a traveller, does that mean we are to pay duties on the goods? And do we give the value of the items when they were purchased or an approximation?

Yes you will pay full tax/duty on anything you bring in. She would not get an exemption on this until she actually has been approved for PR and is doing her landing.

Note though you are really pushing your luck if you try to enter with a ton of furniture. Despite "dual intent", she still needs to act like a visitor and maintain ties to USA, so driving a truck of furniture across the border is still a good way to be denied entry. It would be better to ship the furniture separately and under your name, not hers.

 

[Aquakitty]

Thanks for the replies!

Let me know if this is the right way to go about it: I pay the fees for the Outland application this week. Then, following our honeymoon we enter into Canada on June 14. We tell the border guard that we are entering with dual intent (traveller visa and permanent residency application).

That's what a couple of people have told me, what do you guys think?

And another quick question about importing her furniture (a bedroom set and two sofas): if we are entering and she's coming as a traveller, does that mean we are to pay duties on the goods? And do we give the value of the items when they were purchased or an approximation?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I have everything in order.

Thanks again!

Don't show up at the border with much more than you would bring on a normal vacation. If you show up with a uhaul and furniture you can expect a hassle or worse.

 

[Fantasmu]

If she's coming in with the traveler visa will they take issue with me saying that she's coming to live with me and apply for permanent residency?

 

[CDNPR2014]

If she's coming in with the traveler visa will they take issue with me saying that she's coming to live with me and apply for permanent residency?

she is a us citizen. she does not come in on a visa, as she is visa exempt. all she needs to enter is her passport, and the border agent will decide whether she can stay as long as she asks for or if he will limit her stay with a visitor's record. either way she can apply to extend her stay once she gets in and request a longer time. worst case is, she gets a cranky cbsa officer who thinks she doesn't know the rules and is refused entry (very rare).

 

[Fantasmu]

Would it be wiser to not bother mentioning the traveler visa thing at the border crossing?

 

[CDNPR2014]

Would it be wiser to not bother mentioning the traveler visa thing at the border crossing?

hi, did you read this?

she is a us citizen. she does not come in on a visa, as she is visa exempt. all she needs to enter is her passport, and the border agent will decide whether she can stay as long as she asks for or if he will limit her stay with a visitor's record. either way she can apply to extend her stay once she gets in and request a longer time. worst case is, she gets a cranky cbsa officer who thinks she doesn't know the rules and is refused entry (very rare).

as she DOESN'T require a visa to enter canada, it would be pointless to ask for one!

PS... "traveler's visa" doesn't exist. it's called a visitor's visa. available for those from countries who require visas to enter canada. US is not one of those countries.

Also, it's important to not use the words "living" or "moving" as it relates to her. she is not allowed to live or move to canada yet. you as a canadian citizen has the right to move and live here. she is only allowed to visit. they will want to know you both understand this.

 

[Fantasmu]

hi, did you read this?
as she DOESN'T require a visa to enter canada, it would be pointless to ask for one!

PS... "traveler's visa" doesn't exist. it's called a visitor's visa. available for those from countries who require visas to enter canada. US is not one of those countries.

Also, it's important to not use the words "living" or "moving" as it relates to her. she is not allowed to live or move to canada yet. you as a canadian citizen has the right to move and live here. she is only allowed to visit. they will want to know you both understand this.

Ahhh, thanks, I was reading it on my phone and I somehow skipped over it.

Thank you for the clarification!

Would the best thing be for me to just tell the guard that we just got married, she is a US citizen, and she will be applying for permanent residency? I was planning on paying my fees this week so I will have proof that the outland application has been started.

As she is coming to Canada to live with me what's the best way to get around mentioning "living" or "moving"?

 

[Ponga]

As she is coming to Canada to live with me what's the best way to get around mentioning "living" or "moving"?

Two suggestions:

1. Don't tell CBSA that she is planning to live with you; she will be visiting you, while her PR application is being processed.

2. Make sure she understand this:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/visa/dual.asp

She may be asked to provide evidence of having ties back `home'.

 

[CDNPR2014]

Ahhh, thanks, I was reading it on my phone and I somehow skipped over it.

Thank you for the clarification!

Would the best thing be for me to just tell the guard that we just got married, she is a US citizen, and she will be applying for permanent residency? I was planning on paying my fees this week so I will have proof that the outland application has been started.

As she is coming to Canada to live with me what's the best way to get around mentioning "living" or "moving"?

yes, excactly, that's what you say. bring proof of everything you've done for your application. as ponga said, she is "visiting while her application processes." they may ask about her ties to the us. the best things for that is a lease and or recent paystatements. she can work remotely for a us employer and it's a great "tie" to have if it's available.