OUTLAND/INLAND-WHICH IS BEST?

[Tullysgirl]

I would honestly submit everything, FBI included. It's been said that if you don't include something, it will cause delays

From what I've been reading today, seem most people say send everything else, even if you don't have the Police clearances yet, because the VO knows they take longer.

Do you not agree?

 

[simb]

I agree
fbi does take longer time than any other clearance report

 

[Tullysgirl]

OK folks, so here I am all excited about applying Outland....but then I go to the CIC website and read this:

"Depending on whether your relatives live inside or outside Canada, the application packages for sponsorship and permanent residence are different. Be sure to choose the correct application package. For instance:
•If your spouse, partner or accompanying dependent child lives with you in Canada, use the Application for Permanent Residence in Canada—Spouse or Common-law Partner.
•If your spouse, partner or dependent child lives abroad, use the Application to Sponsor a Member of the Family Class."

So, beings I'm living in Canada, I thought I HAD to apply as Inland.

How is everyone doing Outland while living in Canada??

 

[parker24]

OK folks, so here I am all excited about applying Outland....but then I go to the CIC website and read this:

"Depending on whether your relatives live inside or outside Canada, the application packages for sponsorship and permanent residence are different. Be sure to choose the correct application package. For instance:
•If your spouse, partner or accompanying dependent child lives with you in Canada, use the Application for Permanent Residence in Canada—Spouse or Common-law Partner.
•If your spouse, partner or dependent child lives abroad, use the Application to Sponsor a Member of the Family Class."

So, beings I'm living in Canada, I thought I HAD to apply as Inland.

How is everyone doing Outland while living in Canada??

First of all, I personally don't agree. My husbands only took 6 weeks to get back to us, and anything that hasn't been sent but they NEED, will cause delays. IE PCC, fees, medical. It seems like CIC-M is now at the very least looking over it and making sure everything is there. I have one friend who is going through it with her spouse and another who already went through it. The one who is still going through it, applied in Dec 2011, didn't send the PCC and her application was returned to her in full. She had to REPAY to have it sent back WITH the PCC. So that's just from what I personally have the sadness to see my friend go through. It sucks. Second of all, We're in Canada. I've been sponsor approved and we applied outland. It's fine if you apply outland while he's in Canada. My husband has been with me in Ontario since May 26th 2011

 

[OhCanadiana]

If you take a look at the manual for inland applications (the first bullet you mention in your post), the first section states:

"Before you apply
Important information

Before you fill out the forms, read the following important information:
Things to remember
...
The family class is aimed at faster processing of spouse or common‑law partner applications from applicants outside Canada.

Processing times for spouses or common‑law partners in Canada are generally longer.

The person being sponsored can apply to a visa office outside Canada to take advantage of the family class processing standard. Processing times for applications processed in Canada are posted on our Web site."

OK folks, so here I am all excited about applying Outland....but then I go to the CIC website and read this:

"Depending on whether your relatives live inside or outside Canada, the application packages for sponsorship and permanent residence are different. Be sure to choose the correct application package. For instance:
•If your spouse, partner or accompanying dependent child lives with you in Canada, use the Application for Permanent Residence in Canada—Spouse or Common-law Partner.
•If your spouse, partner or dependent child lives abroad, use the Application to Sponsor a Member of the Family Class."

So, beings I'm living in Canada, I thought I HAD to apply as Inland.

How is everyone doing Outland while living in Canada??

 

[simb]

the more you read the more confuse you will be.
just go ahead what you think will be good for you. be confident

 

[Tullysgirl]

If you take a look at the manual for inland applications (the first bullet you mention in your post), the first section states:

"Before you apply
Important information

Before you fill out the forms, read the following important information:
Things to remember
...
The family class is aimed at faster processing of spouse or common‑law partner applications from applicants outside Canada.

Processing times for spouses or common‑law partners in Canada are generally longer.

The person being sponsored can apply to a visa office outside Canada to take advantage of the family class processing standard. Processing times for applications processed in Canada are posted on our Web site."

OhCanadiana, what you shared is under the underlined "heading" of Applying to Remain in Canada as a Temporary Resident Permit Holder (IMM 5554).

So, am I making this way more complicated and more literal than I should? There’s a plethora of experienced folk here who, while living in Canada, applied Outland and succeeded.

But, I get confused when the CIC website says, “ •If your spouse, partner or accompanying dependent child lives with you in Canada, use the Application for Permanent Residence in Canada—Spouse or Common-law Partner.” Which I AM living here.

BUT it also says that “•If your spouse, partner or dependent child lives abroad, use the Application to Sponsor a Member of the Family Class.” TECHNICALLY, I’m a visitor, not a resident.

Simb is right, the more I read, the more I'm confused. :-[

 

[CharlieD10]

The procedure is for folks applying to emigrate to Canada to apply outside at the visa office responsible for citizens of their nationality. That is how it is stated in the legislation.

Yes, the option exists to apply Inland if you are residing in Canada already, BUT for most visa-exempt persons it offers NO advantages because their "home" offices would process their applications to PR visa faster. It is NOT mandatory to apply Inland merely because you are in Canada, and as said before, most often it is not to your advantage. You cannot appeal a denied Inland application (although in your case it is unlikely), and you really shouldn't leave Canada while you are waiting (although being American/visa-exempt you might be allowed back easier than others).

It sounds confusing when you read the forms and the website, but trust in others who have been there, done that, and now contribute their time to guide others down a path we also found confusing to start out on.

 

[Tullysgirl]

.... It is NOT mandatory to apply Inland merely because you are in Canada, and as said before, most often it is not to your advantage. ...
It sounds confusing when you read the forms and the website, but trust in others who have been there, done that, and now contribute their time to guide others down a path we also found confusing to start out on.

Thank you Charlie...I just started reading Leon's thread and the FIRST page has this same info.

I'm a "show me" kind of person and I can't find it spelled out in crayon for me on the CIC site.

So, I realize now that you can't argue with experience! FAITH!! I will have faith in those who have gone before me and trust that experience and process.

 

[OhCanadiana]

OhCanadiana, what you shared is under the underlined "heading" of Applying to Remain in Canada as a Temporary Resident Permit Holder (IMM 5554).

Actually, if you read the first bullet you'll realize it's not a heading. The formatting may be confusing - it's underlined because it's a link to the guide people who need to resolve their admissibility need to read. There's several bullets on several important things to remember, including the one I quoted for you earlier on your ability to apply Outland.

Here's the text for ease of reference:

"Important information

Before you fill out the forms, read the following important information:

Things to remember

* A foreign national cannot become a permanent resident in Canada if he or she is inadmissible for reasons other than lack of legal immigration status in Canada.

A temporary resident permit (TRP) holder is inadmissible unless the circumstances that lead to the issuance of the TRP are resolved.

The person being sponsored must resolve the circumstances that resulted in the inadmissibility before submitting an application for permanent residence.

Refer to the guide for temporary resident permit holders:

Applying to Remain in Canada as a Temporary Resident Permit Holder (IMM 5554).

* The family class is aimed at faster processing of spouse or common‑law partner applications from applicants outside Canada.

Processing times for spouses or common‑law partners in Canada are generally longer.

The person being sponsored can apply to a visa office outside Canada to take advantage of the family class processing standard. Processing times for applications processed in Canada are posted on our Web site."
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5289ETOC.asp