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beholder69

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In any case, back when you applied, there was a "not" in that same page you found. It used to say "not required to have legal status", so even if it changed afterwards, your application is valid and will be processed.

You'll more than likely be fine, as others said though, do not tell anyone about your lack of status. Wait it out and you'll get your PR.
 

MapleLeafMan

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Ponga said:
This language in the guide was changed in September last year. Since you applied in May, the old language (that stated you did not need legal status to apply) was in place then.

Because the new language is future tense ("...who wish to apply...") it wouldn't affect those that applied before the change.
I hope you are correct. This has been a tough day and I do believe tomorrow will be even tougher since I will have to talk to my lawyer.
 

MapleLeafMan

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beholder69 said:
In any case, back when you applied, there was a "not" in that same page you found. It used to say "not required to have legal status", so even if it changed afterwards, your application is valid and will be processed.

You'll more than likely be fine, as others said though, do not tell anyone about your lack of status. Wait it out and you'll get your PR.
Thank you, I hope you are right. Just trying to relax which is impossible. I appreciate the support.
 

beholder69

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Ponga said:
This language in the guide was changed in September last year. Since you applied in May, the old language (that stated you did not need legal status to apply) was in place then.

Because the new language is future tense ("...who wish to apply...") it wouldn't affect those that applied before the change.
Ponga, you're either typing and posting too quickly or I'm too slow ;D
 

MapleLeafMan

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Ponga said:
This language in the guide was changed in September last year. Since you applied in May, the old language (that stated you did not need legal status to apply) was in place then.

Because the new language is future tense ("...who wish to apply...") it wouldn't affect those that applied before the change.
Wouldn't CIC just be able to claim that the policy has always been in effect, and that nothing was changed in September and screw me over?
 

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Wouldn't CIC just be able to claim that the policy has always been in effect, and that nothing was changed in September and screw me over?
Ok...now you're getting yourself all worked up!
While I can certainly understand your paranoia after learning that you likely do not have implied status, try to relax a bit.


If nothing really changed in September, and nothing has been officially published besides the update to the Inland guide...it still wouldn't affect you.

Here's what was changed in the guide:

BEFORE:

Maintaining legal status

Spouses and common‑law partners of Canadian citizens and permanent residents in Canada who wish to apply for permanent resident status are no longer required to have legal immigration status provided that they have an eligible sponsor. All other eligibility requirements continue to apply.

Important information. Applicants who wish to be able to continue to work and study in Canada must submit an application for extension before the work or study permit expires.


AFTER:

Maintaining legal status

Spouses and common law partners of Canadian citizens and permanent residents in Canada who wish to apply for permanent resident status are required to have legal immigration status in order to qualify under the Spouse or Common-law partner in Canada class.

Important information. Applicants who wish to be able to continue to work and study in Canada must submit an application for extension before the work or study permit expires.


The `before' language was in place since February 2005. People in Canada without status have been getting their PR applications approved for many years. It looks like CIC is changing that, but since you applied last May, any change would NOT affect you.

If you want real proof, take a look at this Inland Processing Manual for CIC (see section 5.27):
www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf

Since this manual has NOT been updated yet, how could CIC screw you over? More importantly...why would they?
 

MapleLeafMan

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Ponga said:
Ok...now you're getting yourself all worked up!
While I can certainly understand your paranoia after learning that you likely do not have implied status, try to relax a bit.


If nothing really changed in September, and nothing has been officially published besides the update to the Inland guide...it still wouldn't affect you.

Here's what was changed in the guide:

BEFORE:

Maintaining legal status

Spouses and common‑law partners of Canadian citizens and permanent residents in Canada who wish to apply for permanent resident status are no longer required to have legal immigration status provided that they have an eligible sponsor. All other eligibility requirements continue to apply.

Important information. Applicants who wish to be able to continue to work and study in Canada must submit an application for extension before the work or study permit expires.


AFTER:

Maintaining legal status

Spouses and common law partners of Canadian citizens and permanent residents in Canada who wish to apply for permanent resident status are required to have legal immigration status in order to qualify under the Spouse or Common-law partner in Canada class.

Important information. Applicants who wish to be able to continue to work and study in Canada must submit an application for extension before the work or study permit expires.


The `before' language was in place since February 2005. People in Canada without status have been getting their PR applications approved for many years. It looks like CIC is changing that, but since you applied last May, any change would NOT affect you.

If you want real proof, take a look at this Inland Processing Manual for CIC (see section 5.27):
www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf

Since this manual has NOT been updated yet, how could CIC screw you over? More importantly...why would they?
Thank you, I really appreciate all this.

Why would they try? Maybe the officer is just lazy or something? Maybe the officer thinks that it was changed earlier than September? I dunno :O
 

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MapleLeafMan said:
I hope you are correct. This has been a tough day and I do believe tomorrow will be even tougher since I will have to talk to my lawyer.
You may also want to question why the lawyer had you apply inland when an outland app through London would have most likely been done by now.
 

MapleLeafMan

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canuck_in_uk said:
You may also want to question why the lawyer had you apply inland when an outland app through London would have most likely been done by now.
If my lawyer says that they have done nothing wrong, and that I do have implied status since PR was submitted, how do I prove them wrong? My lawyer can easily claim that applying for a PR = applying for an extended stay (permanent stay even).
It seems like my lawyer can't prove that they are right, but at the same time, I can't really prove that they are wrong either?
Not even sure if my lawyer will claim this, just in case.
 

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MapleLeafMan said:
If my lawyer says that they have done nothing wrong, and that I do have implied status since PR was submitted, how do I prove them wrong? My lawyer can easily claim that applying for a PR = applying for an extended stay (permanent stay even).
It seems like my lawyer can't prove that they are right, but at the same time, I can't really prove that they are wrong either?
Not even sure if my lawyer will claim this, just in case.
Pr application in process does not gives you a implied status. your lawyer can never claim or prove that "PR= applying for an extended stay", if he thinks this way then he is wrong. Stay and living are two different things. STAY means if you are in canada for a temporary period (only authorized to stay for a certain period of time). e.g a visit visa (trv) means you are requesting to travel to canada for a temporary stay (not temporary living) and on the contrary when you make a PR application it means you are requesting to live permanently in canada (and living here refers to permanent settlement/residence in a country not extended stay)
when a person is staying in canada with a visitor status or worker status he can extend his stay by making an application to extend his stay in canada. and during the process of this application if his legal status expires he is called to be with an implied status until cic decides about his extension application. Once cic approves the extension application the person again is considered to be in a visitor status (so implied status ends once the decision is made).
if someone is in canada without a status or the status is expired he may restore a legal status by applying restoration of status.
 

MapleLeafMan

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kriv said:
Pr application in process does not gives you a implied status. your lawyer can never claim or prove that "PR= applying for an extended stay", if he thinks this way then he is wrong. Stay and living are two different things. STAY means if you are in canada for a temporary period (only authorized to stay for a certain period of time). e.g a visit visa (trv) means you are requesting to travel to canada for a temporary stay (not temporary living) and on the contrary when you make a PR application it means you are requesting to live permanently in canada (and living here refers to permanent settlement/residence in a country not extended stay)
when a person is staying in canada with a visitor status or worker status he can extend his stay by making an application to extend his stay in canada. and during the process of this application if his legal status expires he is called to be with an implied status until cic decides about his extension application. Once cic approves the extension application the person again is considered to be in a visitor status (so implied status ends once the decision is made).
if someone is in canada without a status or the status is expired he may restore a legal status by applying restoration of status.
I was referred to this by my lawyer: Pursuant to Sections 5.3, 12, Appendix F, and Appendix H of Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Operational Manual, Inland Processing (IP-8), Spouse or Common-law Partner in Canada Class, under the spousal policy, many clients can benefit from an administrative deferral of removal (“ADR”) if there is evidence that they have a pending spousal application by the time they are deemed removal-ready by the Canada Border Services Agency (“CBSA”). In general, the date that the Case Processing Centre (“CPC”) has locked in the application is the proof that an application has been made. For cases where a client attests that they have made an application that has not been locked in, clients may present a copy of their application as well as a copy of their fees receipt to show that an application has been made in the event that they are requested to do so. Accordingly, the enclosed copy of your application together with your UPS Tracking Receipt should serve as sufficient proof of a pending spousal application, should you ever be requested or otherwise required to demonstrate such in the future.



More particularly, the spousal policy, outlined in more detail below, helps to fulfill the s. 3(d) objective of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, 2002, as amended (“IRPA”), to see that families are reunited in Canada.



The current Regulations require that to be eligible for the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class, the applicant have temporary legal status in Canada. However, under the spousal policy, persons who are otherwise eligible for consideration under this class (and who are not inadmissible for reasons other than “lack of status”) including those who have applied for consideration on H&C grounds and submitted a sponsorship, may have this requirement waived.



This does not mean however that there is no longer any requirement to have legal status in Canada. Persons who wish to study or work in Canada must still seek to obtain and maintain the required permits.



Other than for lack of status, applicants must not be in any other violation of the IRPA, Regulations or otherwise be subject to a removal order.



Many applicants will benefit from a regulatory stay of removal because they have requested a pre-removal risk assessment (“PRRA”) or will receive an administrative deferral of removal under the public policy. Many applicants will receive a step-one decision on their case before any further action is taken towards removal from Canada.



Applicants may have temporary resident status when the application for permanent residence is received but may no longer have temporary resident status when the application for permanent residence reaches the initial decision phase.



Clients may still qualify for restoration of status; however, under the spousal policy, for the purposes of processing applications for permanent residence to a positive decision for permanent residence, it is no longer necessary to contact the client or their representative to find out if they intend to apply for restoration of status. Nor is it necessary to interrupt the processing of the application for permanent residence pending receipt from the client of the application for restoration.



However, for those clients who are refused at step one for their application for permanent residence, they will still have to apply for restoration of status to maintain their temporary resident status in Canada.


The CBSA has agreed to grant a temporary ADR to applicants who qualify under this public policy. The deferral will not be granted to applicants who:



· Are inadmissible for security (A34), human or international rights violations (A35), serious criminality and criminality (A36), or organized criminality (A37);

· Are excluded by the Refugee Protection Division under Article F of the Geneva Convention;

· Have charges pending or in those cases where charges have been laid but dropped by the

· Crown, if these charges were dropped to effect a removal order;

· Have already benefited from an administrative deferral of removal emanating from an H&C spousal application;

· Have a warrant outstanding for removal;

· Have previously hindered or delayed removal; and

· Have been previously deported from Canada and have not obtained permission to return.
 

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MapleLeafMan said:
I was referred to this by my lawyer: Pursuant to Sections 5.3, 12, Appendix F, and Appendix H of Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Operational Manual, Inland Processing (IP-8), Spouse or Common-law Partner in Canada Class, under the spousal policy, many clients can benefit from an administrative deferral of removal (“ADR”) if there is evidence that they have a pending spousal application by the time they are deemed removal-ready by the Canada Border Services Agency (“CBSA”). In general, the date that the Case Processing Centre (“CPC”) has locked in the application is the proof that an application has been made. For cases where a client attests that they have made an application that has not been locked in, clients may present a copy of their application as well as a copy of their fees receipt to show that an application has been made in the event that they are requested to do so. Accordingly, the enclosed copy of your application together with your UPS Tracking Receipt should serve as sufficient proof of a pending spousal application, should you ever be requested or otherwise required to demonstrate such in the future.

Applicants may have temporary resident status when the application for permanent residence is received but may no longer have temporary resident status when the application for permanent residence reaches the initial decision phase.
and? is your attorney saying this means you have "implied status"? what is written here has nothing to do with implied status. this is referring to whether an applicant can apply for PR while out of status, and what will happen if/when CIC/CBSA decides to enforce removal action for a person with an inland pr applicaiton submitted. This does not state ANYWHERE that sending in a pr application gives someone IMPLIED STATUS, this is stating that someone with a PR applicaiton will not be automatically removed from canada, and basically says the same thing we are telling you... that CIC/CBSA will work WITH the applicant to get back in status or push the application towards stage 1 approval so the status can be restored. The bolded line even says, even if you applied when you had status, it's not guaranteed you have status when your application gets processed. this is exactly what we are saying. Applying for permanent residency is NOT the same as applying to extend your stay temporarily.

Again, you are out of status. a PR application does NOT give a person "implied status". your attorney sending you this information suggests she knows this, and is now trying to tell you what "can" happen with your application.
 

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MapleLeafMan said:
many clients can benefit from an administrative deferral of removal (“ADR”) if there is evidence that they have a pending spousal application by the time they are deemed removal-ready by the Canada Border Services Agency (“CBSA”).
"MANY" does NOT equal to "ALL". There have been cases in the past of people with inland apps in progress, being removed by CBSA. What your lawyer has sent to you is no guarantee that you wouldn't be removed if your lack of status was discovered.




This does not mean however that there is no longer any requirement to have legal status in Canada. Persons who wish to study or work in Canada must still seek to obtain and maintain the required permits.
Had your lawyer simply advised you to submit your OWP app along with Inland app, that would have given you implied status for entire duration of PR processing, and you would have remained in legal status without having to apply for any visitor, study or work permits.

THIS is the main area that your lawyer majorly screwed up in.
 

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rhcohen2014 said:
and? is your attorney saying this means you have "implied status"? what is written here has nothing to do with implied status. this is referring to whether an applicant can apply for PR while out of status, and what will happen if/when CIC/CBSA decides to enforce removal action for a person with an inland pr applicaiton submitted. This does not state ANYWHERE that sending in a pr application gives someone IMPLIED STATUS, this is stating that someone with a PR applicaiton will not be automatically removed from canada, and basically says the same thing we are telling you... that CIC/CBSA will work WITH the applicant to get back in status or push the application towards stage 1 approval so the status can be restored.

Again, you are out of status. a PR application does NOT give a person "implied status". your attorney sending you this information suggests she knows this, and is now trying to tell you what "can" happen with your application.
Yes, I do realize this. Still waiting to speak to my lawyer in person. They are saying that I cannot be removed as long as I have an application pending, even of my status wouldn't technically be considered implied status.
 

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MapleLeafMan said:
Yes, I do realize this. Still waiting to speak to my lawyer in person. They are saying that I cannot be removed as long as I have an application pending, even of my status wouldn't technically be considered implied status.
they can NOT guarantee what CIC/CBSA decides to do if you are investigated. they are now basically telling you, "yeah, you're right, we lied and screwed up, but you're fine... this law says they "can't" remove you, so don't worry" again, IF you are investigated, what you quoted confirms what we said about CIC/CBSA working WITH the applicant to avoid a removal.