Obligatory to activate PR Visa during brief visit?

[sombrejohn]

Hi, I have my PR Visa in my passport, which is valid until the end of May 2012.
I'm currently resident in Belgium, planning on emigrating to Montreal in April or May. I have my CSQ too, of course.
I'm going to Montreal next week, just for a short visit (16 days). I assume I'm not obliged to activate my visa during this visit, as I intend to remain resident in Belgium until the spring. Can someone confirm this please?
Thanks!

 

[sombrejohn]

By the way, I'm a British citizen with a UK passport, in case that has any bearing...

 

[qorax]

Hi, I have my PR Visa in my passport, which is valid until the end of May 2012.
I'm currently resident in Belgium, planning on emigrating to Montreal in April or May. I have my CSQ too, of course.
I'm going to Montreal next week, just for a short visit (16 days). I assume I'm not obliged to activate my visa during this visit, as I intend to remain resident in Belgium until the spring. Can someone confirm this please?
Thanks!

Yes, u r not obliged to do the same.
They'd enquire though [the system'd flash it] & u may deny... but the question is why would u not? It's one job completed & that much less to worry, isn't it? AND u'd have a tough time explaining that to the BSO@POE too.

Qorax

 

[sombrejohn]

Thanks Qorax for the confirmation.
POE = Point of Entry? BSO = ??

To answer why I don't want to activate my PR Visa upon entry next week -

1) I will still be resident in Belgium until my definitive move in April/May. I don't want to be (cannot be?) resident in both Belgium AND Canada at the same time, liable to taxes etc in both countries.

2) after this short trip, I will then be out of Canada for 4-5 months which, if my PR is activated, will already count (negatively) towards the time I have to spend in Canada to fulfill PR requirements.

3) Finally (minor point), I don't have my list of things I'll be transporting to Canada ready...

Hope this makes sense!

 

[qorax]

Thanks Qorax for the confirmation.
POE = Point of Entry? BSO = ??

To answer why I don't want to activate my PR Visa upon entry next week -

1) I will still be resident in Belgium until my definitive move in April/May. I don't want to be (cannot be?) resident in both Belgium AND Canada at the same time, liable to taxes etc in both countries.

2) after this short trip, I will then be out of Canada for 4-5 months which, if my PR is activated, will already count (negatively) towards the time I have to spend in Canada to fulfill PR requirements.

3) Finally (minor point), I don't have my list of things I'll be transporting to Canada ready...

Hope this makes sense!

POE=Port of Entry
BSO=Border Security Officer [a staff of CBSA (Canadian Border Security Agency!)]

1. If u don't earn here - u don't pay taxes [u don't declare your Global Income that is].
2. 3yrs. in 5yrs. is one helluva time I guess, to return here.
3. U may list anything & everything, irrespective of whether u r getting them here or not.

Qorax

 

[JUNER2011]

Dear Qorax,
I am having a similar situation. Presently in RBVO stage (positive attitude that I will get PR Visa)
As I am a Physiotherapist, I need professional registration with the regulatory body in order to practice my profession in Canada.
Now, that I am expecting my passport to be stamped with Maple Leaf, I wish to do the following on a short visit :-
1) ascertain the work atmosphere,
2) do some networking,
3) make an assessment on the jobs available (I have the least inclination for survival jobs and want to avoid the "Josh story" too)
4) Write the 1st component of my licensure exam (PCE-Physiotherapy competence exam)
5) If possible, do a short/voluntary assignment as a Physiotherapy Assistant or may be an adaptation training at any clinic/hospital if I am lucky and get some canadian experience !

As I am aware that getting a licence would take somewhere 1 year to 14 months and that I would have nearly 10 months after getting PR visa to land...I would second the question of sombrejohn that what if I just make it a visit and do the actual landing formalities later on (but well within the expiry of PP/VISA)

Your valuable views would be highly appreciated

Regards,
JUNER 2011

 

[qorax]

...
3) make an assessment on the jobs available (I have the least inclination for survival jobs and want to avoid the "Josh story" too)
...
what if I just make it a visit and do the actual landing formalities later on (but well within the expiry of PP/VISA)

1. That 'least inclination' could land u in trouble. Exactly what Josh suggested... u should take up a/ny job rather than waiting for the godot. Besides, even after your licensing u might still take some time for getting into your filed... and that time is precious.

2. The OP of this thread is a Brit - s/he can enter Canada w/out visa - how would u? R u also a visa-exemped national or holding a TRV besides the PRV? If not, your PRV is your 'only' permit to enter & thus, it gets 'activated' on your 'landing'... else, u'd be turned back.

Qorax

 

[Cappuccino]

Thanks Qorax for the confirmation.
POE = Point of Entry? BSO = ??

To answer why I don't want to activate my PR Visa upon entry next week -

1) I will still be resident in Belgium until my definitive move in April/May. I don't want to be (cannot be?) resident in both Belgium AND Canada at the same time, liable to taxes etc in both countries.

2) after this short trip, I will then be out of Canada for 4-5 months which, if my PR is activated, will already count (negatively) towards the time I have to spend in Canada to fulfill PR requirements.

3) Finally (minor point), I don't have my list of things I'll be transporting to Canada ready...

Hope this makes sense!

1) My understanding is that you are not a taxable resident until you have permanently settled in Canada. This is not the same as landing. I landed at the end of August, then returned to the UK to hand in my notice and work and worked for 1 month, then returned to Canada in early October, and it was at that point where I became a taxable resident.

2) Unless you are planning to spend long periods of time away from Canada, then why worry about it? You need only spend TWO YEARS out of the 5 years after you've landed in order to renew your PR. On the other hand if you don't land now, and then some unforseen circumstance prevents you from returning in April as planned, you could lose your residency and have to re-apply all over again.

One point to add regarding 3). You don't HAVE to provide your goods to follow list when you land, especially if your goods haven't shipped yet.

When you return to permanently settle in Canada you can have your goods to follow list stamped by CBSA at that point. That's exactly what we did. When we landed in August we were told we didn't need to get the goods to follow list stamped if we hadn't shipped yet and we're permanently staying this time. Then when I came in October to permanently settle here I brought our goods to follow list which had shipped by that point. Just fill in the landing card and then tell the people at passport control that you wish to have your goods to follow stamped, and they'll direct you to the correct counter. At Vancouver airport it's just a room to the side of the place where you hand in your landing card on the way out.

Wayne.

 

[qorax]

1) My understanding is that you are not a taxable resident until you have permanently settled in Canada. This is not the same as landing. I landed at the end of August, then returned to the UK to hand in my notice and work and worked for 1 month, then returned to Canada in early October, and it was at that point where I became a taxable resident.
...

Perfectly correct.

 

[JUNER2011]

Thank you very much dear Qorax and Wayne...
Once more precious advise needed Qorax sir..I think I havent put my query across properly :-

(I am an Indian and not visa exempted to visit Canada)....
I meant that is it possible that after getting PR visa, if some one intends to travel to Canada during the 10 odd months given for landing formalities to be completed, he/she applies for a visit visa only and goes on a short trip (using the visitor visa) and comes back without actually completing the formal landing formalities (which can be completed later during the allotted time).

The purpose why I asked this is that I intend to settle permanently only after I have a licence to practice my profession and that may take some time....So after writing the 1st component of my licensure exam, I will be out of Canada for few months and dont want the time spent out of Canada to count (negatively) towards the residency requirements.
I plan to make final and permanent landing only after obtaining full licence...Yess, then I will take up any job which comes my way initially-- thanks for advise Qorax...but dont want to slog out without a licence to practice physiotherapy...(instead want to complete academic credentialing and professional licensure from home country itself during the time available to land)----> is it the right thinking Qorax bro???

Regards,
JUNER 2011

 

[qorax]

Thank you very much dear Qorax and Wayne...
Once more precious advise needed Qorax sir..I think I havent put my query across properly :-

(I am an Indian and not visa exempted to visit Canada)....
I meant that is it possible that after getting PR visa, if some one intends to travel to Canada during the 10 odd months given for landing formalities to be completed, he/she applies for a visit visa only and goes on a short trip (using the visitor visa) and comes back without actually completing the formal landing formalities (which can be completed later during the allotted time).

The purpose why I asked this is that I intend to settle permanently only after I have a licence to practice my profession and that may take some time....So after writing the 1st component of my licensure exam, I will be out of Canada for few months and dont want the time spent out of Canada to count (negatively) towards the residency requirements.
I plan to make final and permanent landing only after obtaining full licence...Yess, then I will take up any job which comes my way initially-- thanks for advise Qorax...but dont want to slog out without a licence to practice physiotherapy...(instead want to complete academic credentialing and professional licensure from home country itself during the time available to land)----> is it the right thinking Qorax bro???

Regards,
JUNER 2011

I understood your query in the previous post itself.

Let me reiterate here that if u didn't have a TRV from the beginning, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THAT U'D RECEIVE ONE AFTER U GET THE PRV.

Qorax

 

[JUNER2011]

Thank you very much sir,
I dont want to slog out (survival jobs) without a licence to practice physiotherapy...(instead want to complete academic credentialing and professional licensure from home country itself during the time available to land----> is it the right thinking Qorax bro???
Regards,
JUNER 2011

 

[mineone]

good morning

 

[hmisabpk]

Thank you very much sir,
I dont want to slog out (survival jobs) without a licence to practice physiotherapy...(instead want to complete academic credentialing and professional licensure from home country itself during the time available to land----> is it the right thinking Qorax bro???
Regards,
JUNER 2011

I meant that is it possible that after getting PR visa, if some one intends to travel to Canada during the 10 odd months given for landing formalities to be completed, he/she applies for a visit visa only and goes on a short trip (using the visitor visa) and comes back without actually completing the formal landing formalities (which can be completed later during the allotted time)

Hi, JUNER2011,

You have just past the link only in PM and ask my advice, so I understand that you want the advice on your last question (Reply #9 on: 25-12-2011, 23:46:00) which Qorax has replied.
Second part “want to complete academic credentialing and professional…”
1.When you have received your PR visa, you can’t just come for visit and later complete the landing (will not be issued any further visit visa on same passport for short trip to Canada)
2.Complete your landing formalities at the same time of your visit
3.Complete your academic credentialing and prepare for exam from home country not a problem
4.When exam date will be near can come back for exam and start your job hunting in your profession

Hope that helps,
Let me know if it is clear or need more clarifications,

Regards,

hmisabpk

 

[qorax]

Thank you very much sir,
I dont want to slog out (survival jobs) without a licence to practice physiotherapy...(instead want to complete academic credentialing and professional licensure from home country itself during the time available to land----> is it the right thinking Qorax bro???
Regards,
JUNER 2011

The "thinking" is right, however fate & destiny play otherwise, sometimes, with new immigrants.

To everyone:

We MUST be 'open' for survival jobs as a newcomer here - grab anything that comes by after 'landing', even if we were Astrophysicists in our homeland - unless we have moved with bags load of cash.

Else, we'd be 'waiting' for the unforeseen & pretty soon our settlement funds would dwindle - then discouragement set's in - depression too - & we'd be found blaming the system left-right-&-centre, while the onus was within.

Everyone in Canada has gone thru this rut [not that it should be this way - but that's how it is]. Everyone here came thru the same procedure - all had the 67 - & the IELTS - all r equally qualified/experienced... thus, if someone doesn't do the slogging tasks - who would? Remember, most CEOs here had done a Tim Horton's/Canadian Tire/Walmart/et all tasks before he came into that position.

There's no ego -- there's no point in having false ego/aspersions - we r new here - no one knows us - no one understands our worth - no one would know what capabilities we possess - it's only thru time that we'd set our benchmarks - prove ourselves - & then success would surely beckon - the future is in our hands.

North America is an epitome of Capitalism -- business do not care about who we r - there's no welfare doling out in business - the employer's only interest is in its success/growth - why would he recruit someone whose worth/credentials he is unaware of? And then he could find his requisite 'worker' in the Canadian born's itself. Whom he could do a through b/ground check, easily. Then why should he take undue interest in us, the new immigrants?

I'm yet to see a guy, who in 3yr's time, hasn't done fairly well. And in 5yr's time didn't do pretty well. While in 10 yr's time didn't ROCK!

It's all in the slog... the way u prove yourself... and time plays a nice trick - to see us thru.

Keep your homeland's possessions viz. sedan cars, pin-stripe suits, oxford shoes, silk ties, Macbooks, iPhones, Cool Waters etc. out of your head... unless they were Mercedes ML450s, Armani tuxedos, Gucci balmorals, Versace cravats, Luvaglio ultrabook, Nokia N9s/Vertus, EAU D'hadrien et all -- in which case u wouldn't have moved here in the first place; and even if u did - u r untouchable already!

For the lesser mortals... 'Land' & get that job that comes along... let it bring food to your table w/out making a huge dent on the dough u brought in. Remember it's quite tough to get that even!

All the best.

Qorax