Leon said:
Surely she could have applied for their citizenship certificates a long time ago but as she is dragging it now that she needs them, she probably put it off then too thinking she could just do it later.
Anyway, it is not important. She can apply now. It's really not a problem.
Ok, we've got al the paperwork, the big envelope, the fees, pictures. We're going to write urgent on the envelope and include an explanation why the kids need their citizenship proof. (Ontario Health Card and SIN and Benefits). We are very close to mailing it, but here's the thing;
The mother has doubts and worries about one little detail that she think might change the results of the application and she feels the people at the Citizenship's office might assume wrong and get the wrong idea. I tried to explain that the "people at Citizenship" go by the dates and documentation that they have on file. As far as I can remember their archives did not get lost in a fire of some kind and it's not run by some old person who has papers falling out of a stacked suitcase in some back alley.
All jokes aside, she claims her father applied or obtained citizenship for himself and for his kids at some point around years 1976-1978. How or from where or what the situation was is not clear. I think it was some sort of family application. Her sister has a piece of paper, but she doesn't know where it is.
When we get to the point and we are ready to mail it, she shuts down and brings up this one item that makes her think things will go wrong with the application. We end up not mailing it and postponing it once again unless I come up with some solid words to explain it to her.
She has a hard time to explain the situation from way back when she was 2 years old and she and her sisters don't remember obviously, but she thinks the kids are 3rd generation and have no Citizenship? How much of this is true? Does that rule apply or is there even such a rule?
I'm sorry to say if her family is not very organized or keep their affairs neatly in order.
She tried to explain it to me, and I will try to translate it into this forum to say what people think. I hope Anyone can explain their argument with some solid information and not just saying: 'Just do it, see what happens' without weighing the consequences of deportation or separation of families.
The mother has Canadian Citizenship and was born in 1976. She holds a valid Canadian Passport and a Citizenship Card. She obtained CanCitizenship when her father applied for it when she was only 2-3 years old through some sort of family application.
She has the original and translated Birth Certificates.
Kids are born in 2000 and 2002 in Mexico and have no proof of Can Citizenship and their Travel Visa now has expired. They used a travel Visa to move to Canada faster. They are in school and doing well. Mother and Children live with their sister/Aunt in Canada.
Their father is out of the picture/divorced/absent. The grandmother has passed away. The grandfather of the kids obtained Citizenship for the whole family through his job or when he travelled a lot back in around ?1978? This is unsure since there is no paperwork on this exact date.
I was hoping this forum could explain why it's ok to apply for Proof of Citizenship (urgent) right now and support the argument or referring to the rules or acts that Citizenship will use to make a decision on this application. Thank you.
Taken from immigrationdirect.ca/citizenship/citizenship-certificate-canada.jsp:
Canadian Citizenship by Parentage
Effective in April 2009, the rules change for individuals born outside of Canada to a Canadian parent. The change made to the Citizenship Act now limits citizenship to the first generation born or adopted outside of Canada.
Children born outside of Canada to a Canadian citizen (parent) will only be considered at the time of birth if:
The Parent was born in Canada or The parent became a Canadian citizen by naturalization.
Children born outside of Canada and adopted by a Canadian citizen will only be eligible for Canadian citizenship under the adoption provisions of the Citizenship Act if:
The adoptive parent was born in Canada or
The adoptive parent became a Canadian citizen by naturalization.
Children who are not eligible for Canadian citizenship under the Citizenship Act may be eligible to be sponsored as a permanent resident. Children under the age of 18 may apply for citizenship as soon as they become a permanent resident.
My questions also as a boyfriend looking at this situation. Wouldn't it be a safer option or more secure or clear to apply for Permanent Resident cards for the kids and go from there? Maybe more expensive and more time consuming, but less insecure or confusing to all parties involved.
I used to work with a lot of flow charts in basic programming. I would love to have a flow chart in order to get to the results easier. I love flow charts. Sometimes live is not all 1's and 0's, or is it?
