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Angela19

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Hi,

I sponsored a friend and she's been in Canada for 1 yr now. She wants to go back home and renounce her PR status. Please let me know how her decision will affect me if I want to sponsor a family/friend in the future.

I used the Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) under the provincial nominee program in Manitoba. And I'm planning to sponsor a family member this year or next year.

Does she (my friend) needs to stay for 2 years to complete the residency obligation then she can renounce it if she wants? I'm afraid that I will be banned and will not be able to sponsor anymore if she renounce it this year since the last one is not successful.

Thank you so much.
 

Kuttykutty

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Mar 3, 2015
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@ All experts in this blog:

Could you please clarify on:
1. Is there any restriction that one can renew the PR Card only twice (10 years)?
2. Is there any Expiry Date on the C O P R (Confirmation of Permanent Residence - Landing document).

Kindly advise,

Thanks in advance
 

zardoz

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Kuttykutty said:
@ All experts in this blog:

Could you please clarify on:
1. Is there any restriction that one can renew the PR Card only twice (10 years)?
2. Is there any Expiry Date on the C O P R (Confirmation of Permanent Residence - Landing document).

Kindly advise,

Thanks in advance
1) No.
2) Yes, you have to have landed and become a permanent resident by that date.
 

Kuttykutty

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On Question 2, Since COPR is issued when one lands, the landing date is the COPR issue date as well. So, I think there is no Expiry date in COPR except the Passport validity date. What do you all think?
 

zardoz

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Kuttykutty said:
On Question 2, Since COPR is issued when one lands, the landing date is the COPR issue date as well. So, I think there is no Expiry date in COPR except the Passport validity date. What do you all think?
I already explained... The COPR has a "Valid to" date... Look at this sample picture and see the first line after "APPLICATION DETAILS"
 

scylla

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Kuttykutty said:
On Question 2, Since COPR is issued when one lands, the landing date is the COPR issue date as well. So, I think there is no Expiry date in COPR except the Passport validity date. What do you all think?
The COPR most certainly has an expiry date.

The COPR is not issued when you land. The COPR is the document you use to land. It has a short expiry date that is either a year from the time you completed your medicals for the PR application or the expiry date of your passport - whichever is sooner.
 

MissGirly

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Jul 18, 2015
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Hi,

Sorry to hijack the thread but how do I start a new thread in here? I have a similar question regarding returning to canada
 

dpenabill

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I try to avoid responding to posts hijacking a topic, and especially in instances like this, where Kuttykutty hijacked this topic within the hour of the OP's query.

I do not have a response for the OP's query:
Angela19 said:
Hi,

I sponsored a friend and she's been in Canada for 1 yr now. She wants to go back home and renounce her PR status. Please let me know how her decision will affect me if I want to sponsor a family/friend in the future.

I used the Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) under the provincial nominee program in Manitoba. And I'm planning to sponsor a family member this year or next year.

Does she (my friend) needs to stay for 2 years to complete the residency obligation then she can renounce it if she wants? I'm afraid that I will be banned and will not be able to sponsor anymore if she renounce it this year since the last one is not successful.

Thank you so much.
Again, I do not have a response (query is outside scope of issues I follow).

I hope someone else does and will respond.




Regarding hijacking query posed by Kuttykutty: Is there an expiry date on the COPR?

First, it would be far more considerate to start a new topic or utilize a topic about the same subject rather than to interrupt/hijack a topic . . . especially when it was so soon as this time, and especially before anyone has responded to the OP.

As to the query about whether there is an "Expiry Date on the C O P R," why did you ask this question when, after two very experienced participants here have responded that there is, you report knowing the answer, purportedly to the contrary (which is literally erroneous, substantively correct if the question was meant to ask if the COPR itself has an expiry date)?

(And since the answer to query 1 should have been obvious, and you knew the answer to query 2, this makes the hijacking of the thread to pose these questions all the more . . . well, at least unnecessary if not suspicious.)

Technically, there are multiple expiry dates ON the COPR.

Note that there are multiple versions of the COPR, like many CIC forms. For example, the sample posted by zardoz is very different from my COPR. Which expiry dates are ON the COPR may depend on the version. Typically, however and at the least, there should be an expiry date ON (or "in") the COPR for each of the following:

-- expiry date of passport held by the PR visa holder
-- expiry (or "validity") date of the medical
-- expiry (or "validity") date of the issued PR Visa

Of course the COPR does NOT have an expiry date as to the COPR itself. The COPR documents the event of landing. Like a Marriage certificate evidences the event of marriage itself, and it has no expiry date even though the marriage itself may, at some time in the future, be dissolved or voided or otherwise terminated. (Marriage licenses, depending on issuing jurisdiction, may have an expiry date, the date by which the marriage must take place; compare PR visa, which has expiry date, to CoPR which is essentially a certificate of becoming a PR.)

But I am a bit surprised that both zardoz and scylla appear to have misunderstood query 2 and, it appears, also misunderstood the COPR.

In the sample posted here by zardoz the Valid to date listed under Application Details is in reference to the PR Visa, which is, as scylla observed, the first of either the date the individual's passport (or other Travel Document) expires or the one year anniversary of the medical . . . noting though scylla mistakenly refers to this as the expiry date of the COPR.

In contrast, my version of the COPR has a section of numbered items and one has to look at the key (on back of the COPR) for those items to know what they are. In mine, item 31 is the date of medical validity, item 33 is the date of Visa validity, and the validity date for my passport is listed with personal details (but grouped differently than those in the sample posted by zardoz). Since the date for item 31, in mine, was sooner than the expiry date of my passport, the date in item 33 is the same as in item 31.

In particular: the COPR is one of the most important documents a PR should keep in a safe location. It never expires, even after one has become a citizen, since again it is a paper documenting the event of landing itself and has no validity dates.

This document can be required to obtain pension benefits much later in life (for many if not most new immigrants . . . not much later for me, since I came to live permanently in Canada in what one might say is a later stage in life). A copy of it must be submitted with a citizenship application and the original produced at the time of the documents check interview. The COPR is not a travel document, but it is, in essence, a certificate of landing.

While the COPR is sent to the PR applicant, that is the PR visa recipient, before landing, it is not fully completed until the time of landing. Actually it has no validity until the date and completion of landing.



In any event, I hope some one will respond to Angela19's query.
 

Lammawitch

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Angela19 said:
Hi,

I sponsored a friend and she's been in Canada for 1 yr now. She wants to go back home and renounce her PR status. Please let me know how her decision will affect me if I want to sponsor a family/friend in the future.

I used the Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) under the provincial nominee program in Manitoba. And I'm planning to sponsor a family member this year or next year.

Does she (my friend) needs to stay for 2 years to complete the residency obligation then she can renounce it if she wants? I'm afraid that I will be banned and will not be able to sponsor anymore if she renounce it this year since the last one is not successful.

Thank you so much.
The family/friend sponsorship stream has been discontinued by MPNP.
 

Msafiri

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Lammawitch said:
The family/friend sponsorship stream has been discontinued by MPNP.
Not sure where you got this but the friend route is via the Skilled Worker Overseas stream of the Programme. You get 50 points. The problem the OP will have is that the person they sponsor must prove they settled/ became established in Manitoba...if they left after one year and don't intend to come back its hard to sell this as meeting the criteria. The Province doesn't intend this route to be a carousel for all your friends!
 

Angela19

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Msafiri said:
Not sure where you got this but the friend route is via the Skilled Worker Overseas stream of the Programme. You get 50 points. The problem the OP will have is that the person they sponsor must prove they settled/ became established in Manitoba...if they left after one year and don't intend to come back its hard to sell this as meeting the criteria. The Province doesn't intend this route to be a carousel for all your friends!
Yes, this is exactly what she applied for, she got more than 50 points and had a chance to settle in Manitoba. I sent a letter to sponsor her and assist her until she can get on her own. If she stays for 2 years to meet the residency obligation, will I not be banned from sponsoring other relatives? Thanks.
 

Msafiri

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Angela19 said:
Yes, this is exactly what she applied for, she got more than 50 points and had a chance to settle in Manitoba. I sent a letter to sponsor her and assist her until she can get on her own. If she stays for 2 years to meet the residency obligation, will I not be banned from sponsoring other relatives? Thanks.
You state earlier she was in Manitoba for one year but wants to leave and renounce her status so which is which? What has she done in Manitoba since arriving as proof of settling? The best form of 'settlement' is employment. Has she worked? Has she filed taxes? If no employment has she looked for a job? Only way to know if you can sponsor is to apply and see what Manitoba says - the Provinces are paying more attention to this though and I don't see them approving this if the settlement can't be proven.
 

Angela19

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Msafiri said:
You state earlier she was in Manitoba for one year but wants to leave and renounce her status so which is which? What has she done in Manitoba since arriving as proof of settling? The best form of 'settlement' is employment. Has she worked? Has she filed taxes? If no employment has she looked for a job? Only way to know if you can sponsor is to apply and see what Manitoba says - the Provinces are paying more attention to this though and I don't see them approving this if the settlement can't be proven.

She is still in Manitoba and wants to renounce her PR but I'm convincing her to stay for another year so that it will not impact me if I want to sponsor a family member. She is still working, has a good job and filed her tax for 2014. She landed July 2014 and got a job in August 2014, since then she has a continuous full time job. If I will be able to convince her to stay for another year to fulfill the 730 days obligation, will that free me from any obligation? And will I not be banned from sponsoring family members?
 

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Angela19 said:
Yes, this is exactly what she applied for, she got more than 50 points and had a chance to settle in Manitoba. I sent a letter to sponsor her and assist her until she can get on her own. If she stays for 2 years to meet the residency obligation, will I not be banned from sponsoring other relatives? Thanks.
If you look at the settlement plan, it does say in section "A. Questionnaire" on the first page that in order to be a supporter (sponsor), you must be able to demonstrate among other things that any applications previously supported by you resulted in successful, permanent economic establishment in Manitoba.

It then asks on page 3 who you have sponsored before and where they currently live.

On the 4th page where you sign, you declare among other things that you understand that you will be prohibited from supporting the MPNP applications of other relatives or friends in the future if the present applicant and/or his/her dependents do not settle successfully and permanently in Manitoba.

So in essence, regardless of if your friend renounces PR or not, if she leaves Manitoba, you can no longer sponsor anybody else. If you want to sponsor somebody else now, she would have to stay until their sponsorship has come through.


You can find a link to the settlement plan here: http://www.immigratemanitoba.com/mpnp-for-skilled-workers/apply/ if you want to take a look.