NOC question

[nani00700]

Hi Guys,

I am pallning to apply under FSW.

My job title is programmer analyst. but the code 0213 i don't see programmer analyst.

Can i use the Code 0213 (computer and information systems managers).

Pleas adivse me.

 

[mahharrouf]

go here and see detail of duties ,

http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=0213

If you performed duties as listed above, not all but maybe some of, then you can apply FSW-1 under NOC-0213. good luck

 

[nani00700]

Hi Thank you very much for your link.

I found my job title under (2174 )Computer Programmers and Interactive Media Developers ..

Now my question is now. should use code 0213 or 2174 ????? Please advise

0213 Computer and Information Systems Managers
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Computer and information systems managers plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the activities of organizations that analyze, design, develop, implement, operate and administer computer and telecommunications software, networks and information systems. They are employed throughout the public and private sectors.


Example Titles
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EDP (electronic data processing) manager
computer systems manager
data centre manager
data processing director
information systems manager
manager, data processing and systems analysis
manager, management information system (MIS)
manager, software engineering
software development manager
systems development manager

View all titles


Main duties
...............

Computer and information systems managers perform some or all of the following duties:
Plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the operations of information systems and electronic data processing (EDP) departments and companies
Develop and implement policies and procedures for electronic data processing and computer systems operations and development
Meet with clients to discuss system requirements, specifications, costs and timelines
Assemble and manage teams of information systems personnel to design, develop, implement, operate and administer computer and telecommunications software, networks and information systems
Control the budget and expenditures of the department, company or project
Recruit and supervise computer analysts, engineers, programmers, technicians and other personnel and oversee their professional development and training.
Employment requirements
A bachelor's or master's degree in computer science, business administration, commerce or engineering is usually required.
Several years of experience in systems analysis, data administration, software engineering, network design or computer programming, including supervisory experience, are required.
Classified elsewhere
Computer and information systems supervisors (in 217 Computer and Information Systems Professionals)
Computer Engineers (Except Software Engineers and Designers) (2147)
Computer Programmers and Interactive Media Developers (2174)
Computer services company presidents (in 0013 Senior Managers - Financial, Communications and Other Business Services)
Database Analysts and Data Administrators (2172)
Information Systems Analysts and Consultants (2171)
LAN managers (in 2281 Computer Network Technicians)
Software Engineers and Designers (2173)

 

[rupeshhari]

did you do the duties of 0213. Were you a manager. If not, then you cannot use 0213.

 

[nani00700]

Hi Rupesh,

Thanks for your response.

My job duties and job title match with under NOC code (2174 )Computer Programmers and Interactive Media Developers .

So can i use 2174 for FSW.
Please advise.

 

[rupeshhari]

if you apply for category 2 or 3 (for which you must have lived in canada or studied in canada for a year or have an arranged employment), then 2174 is okay.

For FSW category 1, there is couple of requirements. One is that you must hve 67 points, 2174 can help you increase your points in the work experience section. BUT you also need to fulfil the ministerial criteria, which is that you must have equivalent of one year full time work in a job from a list. 2174 is not on the list.

 

[nani00700]

Hi Rupesh,

I am little bit confused on this NOC codes. (0213 Computer and Information Systems Managers) i feel education and experience matches with it. but job title is not matching.
my job title is in NOC code 2174.

I am confused and not sure whether to use 0213 or not. if i can't use 0213 then i cannot apply FSW. and i don't have any other option.
I have been working in usa for the past 3 and 1/2 years on software but it became useless for AINP becuase i have only EAD (employment authorization ducument) but not H1B anymore.

I have 69 points FSW.

I checked my total score i got toal of 69 point

1 Education ------------------> 22 ( i have bachelor degree in computer science engineering)
2 Language Ability ------------> 16
3 Work Experience --------> 21 ( i have total 6 and 1/2 years of Experience,3 in INDIA and 3+ in USA)
4 Age -----------> 10
5 Arranged Employment -------> 0
6 Adaptability ----------------->0
_________
Total Score ----------------- >69

Since you you already applied FSW. i need your advise. i need to make it work for FSW.
if you don't mind can we discuss on our personal email.
let me know if you wnt me to email you or u can email me.

 

[PMM]

Hi

Hi Rupesh,

I am little bit confused on this NOC codes. (0213 Computer and Information Systems Managers) i feel education and experience matches with it. but job title is not matching.
my job title is in NOC code 2174.

I am confused and not sure whether to use 0213 or not. if i can't use 0213 then i cannot apply FSW. and i don't have any other option.
I have been working in usa for the past 3 and 1/2 years on software but it became useless for AINP becuase i have only EAD (employment authorization ducument) but not H1B anymore.

I have 69 points FSW.

I checked my total score i got toal of 69 point

1 Education ------------------> 22 ( i have bachelor degree in computer science engineering)
2 Language Ability ------------> 16
3 Work Experience --------> 21 ( i have total 6 and 1/2 years of Experience,3 in INDIA and 3+ in USA)
4 Age -----------> 10
5 Arranged Employment -------> 0
6 Adaptability ----------------->0
_________
Total Score ----------------- >69

Since you you already applied FSW. i need your advise. i need to make it work for FSW.
if you don't mind can we discuss on our personal email.
let me know if you wnt me to email you or u can email me.

A bachelor degree is only worth 20 points. You got 16 points from IELTs?

PMM

 

[nani00700]

Hi PMM.

thanks fo ryour esponse.

I think my understanding was wrong.
I have total 16 years of education with Bachelor degree in computer science engineering.
so i get only 20 points?

I don't have IELTS score yet, but If i give IELTS i must get 16 points to hit 67. so i don't have any other option that is the reason i kept 16 points for langue.

Please advise.

 

[rupeshhari]

yes bachelors is 20 points

 

[rupeshhari]

Hi Rupesh,

I am little bit confused on this NOC codes. (0213 Computer and Information Systems Managers) i feel education and experience matches with it. but job title is not matching.
my job title is in NOC code 2174.

if your experience matches 0213 (i think education might not be very different for 0213 and 2174) and you have been a manager (of people i think, not just systems....but make sure of that), you can apply under 2174. Titles are given by companies and may differ from one company to another. Like in the US, an entry level teacher in a university is generally an associate professor but in other countries, it might be lecturer. CIC knows that title can vary, so its important to have duties. At least that is my opinion....i am not an expert.

My NOC by title is not found on the list but my experience comes under a NOC found on the list and i applied using that and Sydney okayed it.

As for my email address, i have too many request with my email so it would be unfair to give one person and not another. Also i am really not an expert, so its best to ask your question in the forum and everyone can answer and if someone gets it wrong, someone else will correct it and you can decide what is the best answer. Also your questions would be beneficial for future applicants. I don't log into this forum much anymore but i am sure you'd be fine. Good luck.