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NOC job code match Problem

Frankie Chan

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Hi there, I am a new member and have a question regarding choosing NOC job code. I am currently working at Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation (OLG) as a Payroll Analyst under Financial Service Department. I have talked to my manager since I realized that payroll might not be qualified Express Entry. I advised that my manager will add the administrative assistant responsibilities on me which is currently taken care by a coop student. I will be sharing the admin responsibility with that student. The admin work is around 60% match the Administrative Assistant description stated on NOC website. The problem is HR aren't willing to change anything on my Job offer and pay stub. My manager agree to sign off my job responsibilities be added on me current job when I submit my application on Express Entry. My question is if i am able to apply into Express Entry as an Administrative Assistant ?

And below is my payroll job responsibilities, Could anyone help me what NOC code i can use other than Payroll Clerk under this responsibilities.

MAJOR RESPONSIBILITY AREAS:
Review all required data necessary to ensure the proper payment of wages and benefits for all employees. Prepare and co-ordinate biweekly payroll data for regular and retro payments, merit adjustments, and all other special payments including severance, relocation, housing differential, incentive payments, gratuities, and additional responsibility pay ensuring accuracy and meeting strict deadlines.

Execute biweekly in-house payroll system processes from Time & Attendance through Labour Distribution. Analyze payroll to ensure accuracy. Troubleshoot and take corrective action where necessary. Ensure the secure and confidential transmission of the Payroll bank file for direct deposit distribution. Review direct deposit reports and investigate and resolve exceptions. Analyze and process direct deposit cancellations and manual cheques as required. Ensure timely and accurate processing of Records of Employment to employees and Service Canada.

Assess, process, and maintain all garnishments including family support, tax levys, and wage assignments ensuring compliance to legislated requirements. Process all adjustments required for pension and benefits for all employees. Verify and process benefit payments received and administer benefit and pension arrears for employees on leaves of absence. Responsible for reconciling all tax remittances to satisfy bi-weekly, monthly and annual reporting requirements and accountable for the transmission of deduction remittances and all payroll-related files to external agencies such as The Bank of Canada, Great West Life, and Pension Boards.

Control year end audit and T4/T4A slip information on a biweekly basis. Calculate and analyze pension adjustments for terminated employees on a quarterly basis and all employees at year-end in compliance with Canada Revenue Agency and pension boards. Responsible for year end processing, reporting requirements to internal and external customers for Automoble benefits, taxable benefits, WSIB covered by advances, EI Reduced Rate, Public Salary Disclosure Act, and Union Certification Statements.

Assist in training and provide functional and technical guidance to HR and Audit staff. Technical guidance includes troubleshooting issues, recommending solutions, and assessing if additional technical resources are required. Co-ordinate and review communication to payroll and internal departments regarding new or enhanced payroll procedures. Prepare and maintain documentation for union remittance schedules and cheque requisitions. Development Payroll Procedure documentation as required.

Review collective agreements to identify impacts to payroll. Collaborate with technical team on system enhancements and issues. Contribute to the development of business requirements for new initiatives and legislative changes, and participate in user acceptance testing.



Any helps will be so important to me

Thanks
 
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istari

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Be very careful.
Because what you are suggesting is misrepresentation, and can get you banned from Canada for 5 years.

If IRCC phones HR to check your references, and IRCC asks how long you've been fulfilling the job duties listed in your reference letter, what will HR's response be ?
Because if the response is that you've been doing the job of a payroll analyst for 3 years, and the job of an administrative assistant for 3 months, your application is going to be rejected very quickly.
 

Frankie Chan

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istari said:
Be very careful.
Because what you are suggesting is misrepresentation, and can get you banned from Canada for 5 years.

If IRCC phones HR to check your references, and IRCC asks how long you've been fulfilling the job duties listed in your reference letter, what will HR's response be ?
Because if the response is that you've been doing the job of a payroll analyst for 3 years, and the job of an administrative assistant for 3 months, your application is going to be rejected very quickly.
Hi Thank you for replying me. Actually I just graduated and start this job as Payroll Analyst a month ago. These admin duties will be added to me and I be actually performing this duties along with my payroll duties at the same time. I am planing to apply Express Entry one year from now. So it might not have the problem that I have 3 years payroll analyst and 3 months Admin. The issue that I am worried is my job offer will be showing my title as Payroll Analyst instead of Administrative Assistant, because the Admin duties are added after I got hired

Could you give me some advise that if this will work or I should quit this job ?

I really appreciate your help:)
 

istari

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As long as the duties match the NOC, and you're in the right salary bracket for a manager, the title doesn't actually matter.
 

Frankie Chan

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istari said:
As long as the duties match the NOC, and you're in the right salary bracket for a manager, the title doesn't actually matter.

What do you mean for a manager ? do i have to be paid manager salary to qualify?

Thanks
 

istari

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Frankie Chan said:
What do you mean for a manager ? do i have to be paid manager salary to qualify?

Thanks
IRCC needs to be convinced that you are actually doing the job you claim to be doing. That means that you must be receiving a wage that is right for the job.

You haven't mentioned "manager" anywhere in your posts, so I don't actually know where I got that from. Sorry; I guess I confused you with someone else.
 

kunley

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please Istari, am having challenge in editing my profile in my CIC, please how would I go about this.please any other person that can be of assistance. step by step on how to edit pls.

NOTE: not yet get ITA
 

Frankie Chan

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istari said:
IRCC needs to be convinced that you are actually doing the job you claim to be doing. That means that you must be receiving a wage that is right for the job.

You haven't mentioned "manager" anywhere in your posts, so I don't actually know where I got that from. Sorry; I guess I confused you with someone else.
Thank you so much, I am really appreciated
 

Frankie Chan

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istari said:
IRCC needs to be convinced that you are actually doing the job you claim to be doing. That means that you must be receiving a wage that is right for the job.

You haven't mentioned "manager" anywhere in your posts, so I don't actually know where I got that from. Sorry; I guess I confused you with someone else.
Hi Istari

I have sent email to NOC regarding this issue. They have reply me today. Do you think I cannon use 1241? I have copied the email below.

Thank you for your interest in the NOC.



The National Occupational Classification (NOC) Web site provides information on the occupational coding system in Canada. It organizes over 30,000 job titles into 500 occupational group descriptions. It is used daily by thousands of people to compile, analyze and communicate information about occupations, and to understand the jobs found throughout Canada's labour market.



Based on the information that you have provided, the following National Occupational Classification (NOC) code may be appropriate for the occupation that you described.

Code and Label: 1432 Payroll clerks

Please verify the link to ensure that the education, main duties and employment requirements correspond to your occupation.




Note that the final decision for selecting the most appropriate National Occupational Classification (NOC) code is each individual's responsibility as you know your education, skills and abilities better than anyone else.



We hope this information is helpful. Thank you for contacting the NOC and have a nice day.



The NOC Unit

Employment and Social Development Canada

Gatineau, QC, Canada



From: Frankie Chan [mailto:chenjianhui3@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:36 PM
To: NC-NOC-CNP-GD
Subject: Re: NOC code matching issue



Hi there



Thank you for replying me. below are the previous email-mentioned elements for my current job.



The company name: Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation (OLG)

Job Title: Payroll Compliance analyst

Department: Financial Service

Education and Experience Required by OLG: College Diploma in Business or equivalent and Payroll Compliance Practitioner (PCP) designation with the Canadian Payroll Association. 3 years related experience

My Education: Bachelor of Business Administration specializing in Accounting

The type of Establishment in which work is performed: Government Agency



The detailed description of the main duties:

Review all required data necessary to ensure the proper payment of wages and benefits for all employees.
Prepare and co-ordinate biweekly payroll data for regular and retro payments, merit adjustments and all other special payments.
Execute biweekly in-house payroll system processes from Time & Attendance through Labour Distribution. Analyze payroll to ensure accuracy. Troubleshoot and take corrective action where necessary.
Review direct deposit reports and investigate and resolve exceptions. Analyze and process direct deposit cancellations and manual cheques.
Assess, process, and maintain all garnishments. Verify and process benefit payments Reconciling all tax remittances to satisfy bi-weekly, monthly and annual reporting requirements and accountable for the transmission of deduction remittances.
Control year end audit and T4/T4A slip information on a biweekly basis. Calculate and analyze pension adjustments for all employees. In compliance with CRA and pension boards.
Responsible for year-end processing, reporting requirements to internal and external customers covered by advance, EI Reduced Rate, Public Salary Disclosure Act, and Union Certification Statements.
Review collective agreements to identify impacts to payroll. Collaborate with technical team on system enhancements and issues. Contribute to the development of business requirements for new initiatives and legislative changes, and participate in user acceptance testing.
Open and distribute regular mail and other materials for the department. Co-ordinate the flow of information for payroll department with other departments.
Schedule and confirm meetings for the payroll department.
Order office supplies and maintain supply inventory within the department.
Answer telephone inquiries from gaming sites across Ontario and inquiries from Service Canada on a daily basis. Respond to internal inquiries through the email as well as the controller office database.
Set up and maintain information on biweekly processing folder. Computerized information filing system for Leave of Absence Employees and daily emails. Setup structure and folders in electronic file share drives for storage of payroll information.
Record and prepare minutes of analyst meeting.
Enter payroll error message into spreadsheets and sent to the gaming sites for investigation and review.
Assist in training and provide functional and technical guidance to HR and audit staff. Co-ordinate and review communication to payroll and internal departments regarding new or enhanced procedures and provide training to other staff. Development payroll procedure documentation as required.

The highlighted are the descriptions that I think it would be qualified under NOC code #1241.



Please advise if I can use 1241 as my NOC code
 

istari

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Frankie Chan said:
Hi Istari

Please advise if I can use 1241 as my NOC code
Honestly, I doubt it. You've listed a bunch of duties that do match 1241, but how much of your job is actually taken up by those duties ? 20% of your time ? 80% of your time ? They seem to be only a very small aspect of your job.

Your duties are definitely a much closer match for 1432. If you want to use 1241, you'll need to tailor the duties in your experience letter. This would probably mean removing the first 8 duties you've listed.

But if IRCC phones your employer and asks about your duties, and is given that whole list, I'm not sure that they would be convinced that you fall under NOC 1241.
 

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istari said:
Honestly, I doubt it. You've listed a bunch of duties that do match 1241, but how much of your job is actually taken up by those duties ? 20% of your time ? 80% of your time ? They seem to be only a very small aspect of your job.

Your duties are definitely a much closer match for 1432. If you want to use 1241, you'll need to tailor the duties in your experience letter. This would probably mean removing the first 8 duties you've listed.

But if IRCC phones your employer and asks about your duties, and is given that whole list, I'm not sure that they would be convinced that you fall under NOC 1241.

I concur - don't take the risk and try to force it.