NOC for postdoc in geochemist?

[yixuan]

Hi there, I have a problem with NOC code for the application of PR under CEC.

I am a postdoc majoring in geochemist. As you know, postdoc fellows are grant work permit with occupation of post-secondary teaching and research assistant (NOC 4012). But in the list of year 2011, postdoc has been removed from NOC 4012 and written into NOC 4011. However, the duties of NOC 4011 are mainly about teaching, lecturing and mentoring students. Apparently, most of the postdoc fellows don't fall into this category.

If I use the NOC code with my specialty, it will also cause internal problems. As the NOC 2113 is for geoscientist which include geochemist, geophysicist and geologist. There are 12 duties for NOC 2112. However, only 8 could be assigned to geochemist at most. I can say that my job duties matches 5 out of such 8 duties.

But the reality is that, if I apply under NOC 2113 with my job duties only match 5 out 12, is this too risky?

Or, may I use NOC 4012 as this is the occupation shown on my work permit? But it says on the hrsdc website that this job required to enroll in a university program. Any person apply under NOC 4012 after graduated?

Please give me some suggestions. Thanks guys and gals.

 

[YYZguy416]

You should use the NOC code for geochemist.

 

[yixuan]

But the duties match only 5/12...don't you think it is too risky?

 

[grishan1]

Can you ask your professor to write a letter with more match?
This is only about choosing right words.
Immigration officers do not understand anything in your occupation, they just need to see that your reference letter has correct words from their list

 

[yixuan]

Can you ask your professor to write a letter with more match?
This is only about choosing right words.
Immigration officers do not understand anything in your occupation, they just need to see that your reference letter has correct words from their list

thanks for your reply. I believe this would be the only way...maybe I have to contain some duties for geophysicists.

 

[cecbear]

5 out of 12 is a good match in my opinion. Many occupations are highly specialized, and I think CIC understands that.

 

[data]

5 out of 12 is a good match in my opinion. Many occupations are highly specialized, and I think CIC understands that.

Seriously.

I am a physicist. If my Reference letter only had "Research in physics" as a duty. I bet it would pass the eligibility check.
like, what other professions do research in physics? lol

 

[yixuan]

I talked with my supervisor, he agreed that I am working in the field of geochemistry. We looked into the NOC 2112 (chemist) as well. The problem now is that I match 7 out 11 duties for NOC 2112.

Any suggestion on what should I do?

If I use NOC 2113 (geochemist), I match 6 out 12 duites at most.

If I use NOC 2112 (chemist), it seems better but this is a remark on my WP "Earth Science". Does it cause problem?

 

[zoran]

I'm sure you will not have any problems if you use 4011, regardless the fact postdoc doesn't fit to category description very well. There are also other titles here (chairman, department head,...) which doesn't fit well to the description which is related mainly to teaching and research. However, your title and educational level fit to this category more then to any other category, so I'm sure you will not make a mistake to choose it.

 

[green_dc]

I talked with my supervisor, he agreed that I am working in the field of geochemistry. We looked into the NOC 2112 (chemist) as well. The problem now is that I match 7 out 11 duties for NOC 2112.

Any suggestion on what should I do?

If I use NOC 2113 (geochemist), I match 6 out 12 duites at most.

If I use NOC 2112 (chemist), it seems better but this is a remark on my WP "Earth Science". Does it cause problem?

I am a postdoc in geochemist. I used 2113 code. Recently i got MR along with RFPR and biodata. As long as your duties are matching with the leading statement of the code, then you are ok.

But be careful with using the 4012 or 4011 codes, their leading statement are usually involves teaching, grading etc... SO if you don't do any of these, then don't go for these codes. I have seen some refusal of postdocs using these codes.

 

[yixuan]

I'm sure you will not have any problems if you use 4011, regardless the fact postdoc doesn't fit to category description very well. There are also other titles here (chairman, department head,...) which doesn't fit well to the description which is related mainly to teaching and research. However, your title and educational level fit to this category more then to any other category, so I'm sure you will not make a mistake to choose it.

Thanks. I think I should avoid using NOC 4011 as I don't teach, lecture and mentor students.

 

[yixuan]

I am a postdoc in geochemist. I used 2113 code. Recently i got MR along with RFPR and biodata. As long as your duties are matching with the leading statement of the code, then you are ok.

But be careful with using the 4012 or 4011 codes, their leading statement are usually involves teaching, grading etc... SO if you don't do any of these, then don't go for these codes. I have seen some refusal of postdocs using these codes.

Firstly, congratulations.

Then, thanks for your reply. Do you think it is a problem if my job duties only match 6 out of 12 of the main duties for NOC 2113? The duties for NOC 2113 includes those for geologist and remote sensing...apparently I am not doing such types of research.

 

[green_dc]

Firstly, congratulations.

Then, thanks for your reply. Do you think it is a problem if my job duties only match 6 out of 12 of the main duties for NOC 2113? The duties for NOC 2113 includes those for geologist and remote sensing...apparently I am not doing such types of research.

I think that 6 would be enough because 2113 is not only for geochemist as you said above. CIC understands that. I had 3 main roles (lab studies on geochemistry, geochemical modeling and compiling reports on geochemical monitoring field studies). But each had its own sub duties. Ask your supervisor to try to write every single task you have done whether it is a minor or major just extend it as much as possible.

Good luck.
If you send(PM) me a copy of your reference letter without any sensitive info, i can look at it and give my opinions.

 

[yixuan]

I think that 6 would be enough because 2113 is not only for geochemist as you said above. CIC understands that. I had 3 main roles (lab studies on geochemistry, geochemical modeling and compiling reports on geochemical monitoring field studies). But each had its own sub duties. Ask your supervisor to try to write every single task you have done whether it is a minor or major just extend it as much as possible.

Good luck.
If you send(PM) me a copy of your reference letter without any sensitive info, i can look at it and give my opinions.

Thanks a lot. I will do.

 

[damitdada]

Hi there, I have a problem with NOC code for the application of PR under CEC.

I am a postdoc majoring in geochemist. As you know, postdoc fellows are grant work permit with occupation of post-secondary teaching and research assistant (NOC 4012). But in the list of year 2011, postdoc has been removed from NOC 4012 and written into NOC 4011. However, the duties of NOC 4011 are mainly about teaching, lecturing and mentoring students. Apparently, most of the postdoc fellows don't fall into this category.

If I use the NOC code with my specialty, it will also cause internal problems. As the NOC 2113 is for geoscientist which include geochemist, geophysicist and geologist. There are 12 duties for NOC 2112. However, only 8 could be assigned to geochemist at most. I can say that my job duties matches 5 out of such 8 duties.

But the reality is that, if I apply under NOC 2113 with my job duties only match 5 out 12, is this too risky?

Or, may I use NOC 4012 as this is the occupation shown on my work permit? But it says on the hrsdc website that this job required to enroll in a university program. Any person apply under NOC 4012 after graduated?

Please give me some suggestions. Thanks guys and gals.

Hello

I am in the similar situation...About to create my EE profile....I have a Ph.D. in chemistry, after which I worked as a Research Associate in a CSIR project (1 year and 8 months) followed by a three-year postdoc...What would u suggest me to use as my NOC...2112 (chemist) or 4012 or 4011...Realy getting confused...

Thanks
Dr. Amit