New Spousal sponsorship package - Jan 2017

[danialrohail]

I got married back in September and I am applying for my wife's PR. In a new application kit, CIC is requesting that we provide them with joint property ownership documents or lease/rental agreements. What is the alternative if we don't have these documents. Please advise.

I also have police certificates. Should I attach them with the package?

Thanks for your help guys!!!

 

[iSuperman]

I got married back in September and I am applying for my wife's PR. In a new application kit, CIC is requesting that we provide them with joint property ownership documents or lease/rental agreements. What is the alternative if we don't have these documents. Please advise.

I also have police certificates. Should I attach them with the package?

Thanks for your help guys!!!

Congratulations! I am stuck on the same thing.

But you can provide FB interactions between you and your wife, letters from your family & friends recognising your relationship, insurance policy together, financial support proof.

If you are submitting the new package, then don't send PCC along as it is written in the checklist that CIC will ask you when needed.

 

[Pearl1]

I got married back in September and I am applying for my wife's PR. In a new application kit, CIC is requesting that we provide them with joint property ownership documents or lease/rental agreements. What is the alternative if we don't have these documents. Please advise.

I also have police certificates. Should I attach them with the package?

Thanks for your help guys!!!

where is your wife ? does she not live with you in the country ?

 

[CDNPR2014]

where is your wife ? does she not live with you in the country ?

a majority of outland couples do not live together. for many, the principal applicant is still in their home country, while the sponsor is in canada and living together is the reason for applying for PR. it's quite normal that a couple wouldn't be able to co-mingle their finances, utility payments or add each other as beneficiaries if they are not legally allowed to live in eachother's country. for my application, even though we were married when we submitted, we would not have had any of the proof being required now.

no-one really knows how IRCC is going to handle the fact that a majority of outland couples can't comply with these new requirements, since it is new. the best course of action is to at least TRY to get the required documentation and if it can't be done for whatever reason, provide a letter of explanation of how you tried and why it can't happen.

 

[Pearl1]

a majority of outland couples do not live together. for many, the principal applicant is still in their home country, while the sponsor is in canada and living together is the reason for applying for PR. it's quite normal that a couple wouldn't be able to co-mingle their finances, utility payments or add each other as beneficiaries if they are not legally allowed to live in eachother's country. for my application, even though we were married when we submitted, we would not have had any of the proof being required now.

no-one really knows how IRCC is going to handle the fact that a majority of outland couples can't comply with these new requirements, since it is new. the best course of action is to at least TRY to get the required documentation and if it can't be done for whatever reason, provide a letter of explanation of how you tried and why it can't happen.

the initial post nowhere mentioned that this is an out land application.

but danialrohail - you need to provide these documents only if you said "YES" to "Are you and your spouse currently living together ?" in the checklist.

they have provided 6 different options for supporting documents - 3 options apply perfectly to inland applicants and rest three apply to out land applicants. So try to get the documents which apply to you and don't worry about the ones that are not applicable in your situation.

Remember there is only one package for both inland and out land applicants, but of course they have given you options in a way that you can gather enough supporting documents for either case category.

 

[CDNPR2014]

the initial post nowhere mentioned that this is an out land application.

it was assumed by the list they are referencing because these are items required for couples NOT living together. Also, if a couple is applying inland, it is more likely they have these items, as it is a requirement for the couple to live together for "inland" sponsorship.

they have provided 6 different options for supporting documents - 3 options apply perfectly to inland applicants and rest three apply to out land applicants. So try to get the documents which apply to you and don't worry about the ones that are not applicable in your situation.

Remember there is only one package for both inland and out land applicants, but of course they have given you options in a way that you can gather enough supporting documents for either case category.

this is not true. the required documentation is the same for both living together and not living together. how many items that are required is the difference. living together = 2 out of 3 items from the required list; NOT living together = 3 out of 6 items from required list. read section 7 completely and you'll notice the 3 items listed for living together are also in the not living together list:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5533E.pdf

 

[eriasr]

it was assumed by the list they are referencing because these are items required for couples NOT living together. Also, if a couple is applying inland, it is more likely they have these items, as it is a requirement for the couple to live together for "inland" sponsorship.

this is not true. the required documentation is the same for both living together and not living together. how many items that are required is the difference. living together = 2 out of 3 items from the required list; NOT living together = 3 out of 6 items from required list. read section 7 completely and you'll notice the 3 items listed for living together are also in the not living together list:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5533E.pdf
I Completely agree with you.But it's difficult to get this things when couples don't live together.The 3 first options that are for Inland for example joint property,joint accounts,insurance policies ect ,If they are taken in the outland country are they valid?For example my husband is Outland i live in Canada,He has a car in his country(Italy)he can add his car insurance in both our names,has telephone bills in both of our names.Are this a proof also or it has to be joint accounts in Canada?

 

[Pearl1]

it was assumed by the list they are referencing because these are items required for couples NOT living together. Also, if a couple is applying inland, it is more likely they have these items, as it is a requirement for the couple to live together for "inland" sponsorship.

this is not true. the required documentation is the same for both living together and not living together. how many items that are required is the difference. living together = 2 out of 3 items from the required list; NOT living together = 3 out of 6 items from required list. read section 7 completely and you'll notice the 3 items listed for living together are also in the not living together list:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5533E.pdf

not sure how you are interpreting the checklist. section 7 clearly says "If you are NOT living together, ALSO provide" - then they have mentioned the additional documents that people under this category can provide.

anyways, not here to argue, just trying to help. good luck !

 

[CDNPR2014]

not sure how you are interpreting the checklist. section 7 clearly says "If you are NOT living together, ALSO provide" - then they have mentioned the additional documents that people under this category can provide.

anyways, not here to argue, just trying to help. good luck !

i'm interpreting the list by what i'm reading the entire section of the checklist. it says if you did not answer yes to the 4 questions above (are you living together, do you have at least 1 child, is this your first marriage, have you been married for a minimum of 2 years), you need to provide a variety of information.

So that means if a couple has not been married for 2 years and/or does not have a child and/or does not live together and/or this is their first marriage they are required to send the following:

- photos of wedding...
- 1 document from 3 sets of options (3 of these are identical to the list for living together couples)

THEN it says, if you are not living together, also provide:
-letters, texts, etc...
-proof of visits, etc...

the box that references "also" is only a small section of what is required and is a supplement to the other requirements. read the list with checkboxes above that line. 3 of the groups of "required documents" are an exact match to required documents when living together.
*this is why reading the checklist thorougly is important.

 

[danialrohail]

Thank you guys for your input.
I apologize for not mentioning that I was applying for an outland application.

 

[eriasr]

Guys I have a question about the three first points that are applied for inland does this documents need to be taken in Canada?for example joint property ,joint account,insurance policies?or can be taken also in the Outland country to prove the relationship?im confused about this please help

 

[CDNPR2014]

Guys I have a question about the three first points that are applied for inland does this documents need to be taken in Canada?for example joint property ,joint account,insurance policies?or can be taken also in the Outland country to prove the relationship?im confused about this please help

if you are applying "inland", it is assumed the sponsor and applicant are living together INSIDE canada. If you are living together outside of canada, that is not inland. that is "outland".

 

[bananaoatmeal]

This requirement is what confuses a lot of people. I believe that they could've written it more clearly on the checklist. Some couples don't have insurances, some don't need to support each other financially, but they have lots of other proofs. Obviously living together can't be proven if you're not applying inland. On the other hand, a rental lease agreement and then having the same address on a driver's license is the easiest evidence out of all. Outland applicants will get those right away after moving to Canada. It should be more for common-law than married couples. It says "one document from 3 of the following sets of options", then in some categories it says "minimum 1 document", and in some it doesn't - what? Weird.

We are preparing our application and we have so many proofs of our relationship, but they mostly apply to the last category that talks about being recognized by others. As well as messages and visits, because we are not living together. We also have financial support information. Also, lots of more evidence that doesn't fall into any of those categories that much. We just can't seem to get any proof for a 3rd category. We can get life insurance right now but I think it's better not to force it just for the application - they will know it was done last minute etc, instead it's better to provide an explanation. You can provide an explanation for everything, things like: No one attending the wedding, family not knowing about the relationship, no visits to see each other, etc, so you can also explain why there was no financial support or no insurance. I believe they don't care as much about the 3 categories as long as you provide enough evidence of your relationship, as well as they want you to not go beyond the limit with photos and conversations. They just want to guide you. It's understandable that you don't have insurance or you might not have it yet before going to Canada, as well as you can't get other proofs that are all connected to just living together. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understand it.

 

[MiaMartin333]

This requirement had me frustrated for days, as it only makes sense that the majority of outland couples will not have most of these documents, so I contacted immigration and was told that although it is best if we can provide at least 3 of the requested documents, that my application will not be rejected if I do not have those documents as they do understand that not all couples will be able to provide such documents. Instead, what I was told to do is to include as many documents proving our relationship, as well as to explain why we do not have the requested documents in a separate letter, and that as long as the explanation is something that makes sense, it will not be a problem at all. Hope this helps!

 

[canadasnk]

Hey guys!

Does anyone know the rules for police clearances submitted under the new application kit (2017)? I know under the old forms( before dec 2016) you had to submit one for any country lived in for 6 months or more since 18, but I hear under the new guidelines it says you only need one for where you've spent most of your life since 18? Can anyone confirm what is true?
My spouse has spent most of his life in South Africa since 18 but spent 7 months in Namibia at one point, so not sure if we need for both countries or just South Africa!

Thanks!!