new rules about citizen

[MUFC]

The new rules also give more time to travel while the applicant is accumulating the required days to apply.

This is great for people who travel more often like me.

 

[surgi]

There is a logical fracture here; your example with College has nothing close to the citizenship application. First of all, when the law will come into effect it will impact only new applications going forward, and applications already In Process will follow the old rule.
Beside that the college graduation is a totally different process.
You have the right to apply for citizenship (when meet the requirements), but granting citizenship is a privilege not a right. Keep this in mind and you'll not get hurt feelings anymore.

I think you escape from answering the question by a logical fracture. First when anybody join a college he is already started the process to obtain his Bachelor degree. The final exam is just a formality to and one step between many steps to obtain his Bachelor degree. So the PR who is already landed before this law is in effect started steps to obtain citizenship. The second thing granting citizenship itself needs to be viewed in another way. The vast majority of immigrants apply for citizenship and they are loyal and love this country . They did not have a choice to select their mother countries,but they choose Canada as their home country. I think the reward should be at least to keep for those who started the process just by landing eveyrthing the same till they get their Bachelors degrees!!!

 

[ZingyDNA]

Not all PR's want to get citizenship... Most do but some (I'd say 10%-20%) who are from 1st world countries may just want to be PR. This is different as all the students who go to college want to get a degree, or at least graduate. The PR's who don't want citizenship are like students who want to study forever

I think you escape from answering the question by a logical fracture. First when anybody join a college he is already started the process to obtain his Bachelor degree. The final exam is just a formality to and one step between many steps to obtain his Bachelor degree. So the PR who is already landed before this law is in effect started steps to obtain citizenship.

 

[chikloo]

It will affect only those who want to leave canada after getting citizenship. It won,t affect those who want to stay here permanently.

There are people from countries where they cannot renew their passport or some PRs who cannot travel due to their status (refugee) or country's political issues. Also a PR has to constantly maintain the 2/5 yrs slider rule. Federal jobs are only for citizens and puts people in PR at a disadvantage. They have to apply for visas to travel internationally depending their country of citizenship. Also on top of everything if someone from your family back home falls ill you still have to look at your PR status maintenance.

So it is easy to say it affects who want to leave but how long do they want to leave is it for comfort or is it for necessity.

The time I applied and got RQ I was thinking hope there is no need to go back home for a long time for any reason. I was lucky. So I would say having citizenship helps in a lot of ways. There will always be people who wish to misuse it. Government can put checks to avoid that but not delay or hinder people getting their citizenship.

 

[ttrajan]

Processing time they are planning to reduce to one year from present 2 years after the new rules in effect.

 

[ERJOPA]

The big reason I am applying for Canadian citizenship is to restore part of my family name. My Great-Grandfather ran a farm in Sherbrooke, PQ. My great Uncle was in the first regiment of NWMP to come to Alberta in 1875. My Grandfather was a dual citizen (he was born in Minnesota while my great grandfather was on vacation. They came to the US in the 1920's, but they longed to be back in Canada.

My family was ecstatic over me living in Canada and they are waiting like I am to be there when I take my oath.

Yes...it is a choice. But my choice is a no-brainer

 

[dpenabill]

. . . when anybody join a college he is already started the process to obtain his Bachelor degree. The final exam is just a formality to and one step between many steps to obtain his Bachelor degree. So the PR who is already landed before this law is in effect started steps to obtain citizenship.

Actually, thinking that qualifying for citizenship is akin to qualifying for a university degree is a very common approach . . . and very much a mistake.

There is no comparison on many levels, but the overriding distinction is that CIC does not assess qualification for citizenship in a way that is anything akin to adding up credits or points. And remember, qualifying for citizenship does not in itself entitle a PR to citizenship . . . the applicant must remain eligible throughout the application process, right up to the taking of the oath.

This is not to say that this is the way it should be. Many disagree with the current government's approach and think there is a better way to approach dealing with both immigrants generally as well as those whose objective is to become citizens of Canada.

In any event, however, as it currently is, it is not a point system, and when the revised requirements take effect, and all applicants must also have the requisite intent to continue residing in Canada, this will be even more so than it is now. That is what it is.

The law can be changed, and those who believe there is a better and more fair approach, are entitled to campaign for reform, for changes which will represent more respect for immigrants and the commitments immigrants make when emigrating to this country.

 

[era1521]

I think you escape from answering the question by a logical fracture. First when anybody join a college he is already started the process to obtain his Bachelor degree. The final exam is just a formality to and one step between many steps to obtain his Bachelor degree. So the PR who is already landed before this law is in effect started steps to obtain citizenship. The second thing granting citizenship itself needs to be viewed in another way. The vast majority of immigrants apply for citizenship and they are loyal and love this country . They did not have a choice to select their mother countries,but they choose Canada as their home country. I think the reward should be at least to keep for those who started the process just by landing eveyrthing the same till they get their Bachelors degrees!!!

There is no question for me to answer here.
So your take on this is that the law should apply only for immigrants landing after the law comes into effect. For the sake of amusing, lets imagine a PR landed 2014. He should fall under old citizenship law indefinitely as per your standard. He applies for citizenship after 20yrs. Should he fulfill the 3 yrs residency rule?
Do you understand the scope of a law in a society?

 

[vathan]

Hello everyone.
every one is winner of their argument. The law is winner it's self
it will win and take its medal. We just have to go with it. So everyone it's
time to go to sleep and dreams.
Love you all my friends

 

[yazmost]

This law makes two different citizens. First class ones who can travel, study, get jobs, retire, or die abroad and second degree citizens who are supposed to get PR and then get citizenship and sign that they have to stay in Canada to keep their citizenship! I am asking which country in the world that says you have to stay here to keep your citizenship. even tyrant governments won't do that!

Canada has been adopting immigration system for more than 50 years yet, the population is still 30 million!! isn't that really wired? people come to Canada get citizenship then leave..... a real caring government should really ask why people leave Canada after getting citizenship? that's the big question? the more you push people and enforce more illogical laws like this one, the more people will think and act actively to move out of Canada!! Why USA is not having the same problem? why USA is not asking citizens to sign a "contract" to stay in the US? Why USA is still more better option than Canada for immigrants although I admit Canada is much better than USA. BTW, I lived in both and I can me a really informative decision here.

I can't believe that my son who is an honorable student with straight A+ can't get a scholarship to go study in USA or England or even Japan! while other students who are less then him can go for a scholarship simply coz the parents came before my son's "parent" consequently, the new law didn't apply to them or were born Canadian or or or....

If this law comes into effect, they only losing one is CANADA not the new immigrants.

 

[era1521]

This law makes two different citizens. First class ones who can travel, study, get jobs, retire, or die abroad and second degree citizens who are supposed to get PR and then get citizenship and sign that they have to stay in Canada to keep their citizenship!

.....................

That statement is not true. Intent to reside is assessed during the citizenship process; after you granted citizenship it cant be revoked if live outside Canada.
There is no "contract you" sign to get citizenship.

Anything else you mentioned, is just frustration; i find it hard to believe a student performance is in any way impaired by parents status. But if you say so....

 

[BrandonP]

Canada has been adopting immigration system for more than 50 years yet, the population is still 30 million!! isn't that really wired? people come to Canada get citizenship then leave..... a real caring government should really ask why people leave Canada after getting citizenship? that's the big question?

The population of Canada is around 35 million and increasing rapidly. Especially for a 1st world country. And most of that increase is from immigration.

 

[polara69]

Do not change laws mid-stream on people you make them suffer.

You are having a laugh? Do you know what suffer means? It gets me up the wall if so called people from underdeveloped countries come here, get all the nice things, healthcare etc etc and then call that suffer? You have the right to leave Canada at any time.

 

[era1521]

The population of Canada is around 35 million and increasing rapidly. Especially for a 1st world country. And most of that increase is from immigration.

Very true! And what is more hilarious, these people whining on waiting for citizenship and dont even understand where Canada is coming from; during WWII Canada population was little over 10 millions; it tripled in 70yrs.

 

[yazmost]

Thank you all for your response guys, really appreciate it. I Just wanna make it clear I came to Canada from USA as I said before. I"m a US citizen. I didn't come from underdeveloped country as you guys think unless you consider USA is underdeveloped country. Even if from 5th world countries, do they have right to say their opinion or they have to be silent and just be grateful that they are in Canada?

Canada is not anyone's home country the whole country is less than 250 years old and we know who is the real owner of the land. I really don't understand some people talk as Canada is their moms and dads country and they are the real owners! all they get to say GO HOME....

I'm not living on financial aids or anything. I pay taxes here and last year, I paid over 37K taxes although I worked only 7 months, so I pay taxes more than medical insurance you think about. for 2.8 years in Canada I swear, I never been to a hospital as a patient. Me or anyone in my family get sick, I know what over the counter medication to get no need to go to hospital or doctors at all.

I'm serious about it, I'm willing to PM my notice of assessment for 2014 after removing personal info.. but in return, I need yours too. Not everyone in Canada came here to live on financial aids, people come to Canada from Japan, from Switzerland, from Finland, USA and also from poor countries and honestly those who are coming form poor countries or were poor back home, they have no problem staying forever or signing that they will live in Canada to death coz they have nothing to lose back home right?

I asked couple of questions. I just hope for an answer not just if you don't like Canada go out of Canada to your underdeveloped country. We sold all our assets in States to come here and that simply you asking me go back home. Most of the increase in population comes from immigration YES but again the big question why do people have to sign the intention to stay in Canada if that was the case as you said?
Which country in the world that says you have to stay here to keep your citizenship? Please give me one?

I had been in the medical field in USA for 8 years and when I came here they not only asked me to go to school but they want me to go do English tests which I did.

16 years old has to study for citizenship test. I have to ask my son, don't study your math and prepare for the citizenship test "welcome to Canada" book?

We are all Canadian and if we really love it, we shouldn't agree on 2 different categories of citizens as this will really have huge impact on those 2 different citizens relationship ahead. I'm sure people will ask each other which type of citizens are you? are of those stranded or free to go anywhere?