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New Law for PRC renewal and subsequent Citizenship

johny2516

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1. We landed on 10th June 2013.We (me & my family) stayed 75 days in 2013 and left Canada for the purpose of winding up business in my own country. The process of closing business has not been finished yet and requires app one more year.
2. I brought family back to Canada on June 2015.I have plan to stay 76 days more and then I have to leave for one more year for finalizing my unfinished liabilities in my own country. However, my family will continue to stay in Canada? My question are:
3. Under new citizenship law, what are the entitlements obligations for PRC and citizenship?
4. Would I be able to maintain my entitlement for renewal of PRC and subsequent Citizenship in view of the above situation? PRC card expiry date is June 2018.
 

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The PR rules have not changed. To keep your PR status you must live in Canada for 2 out of every 5 rolling years. This means that you'll need to return to Canada permanently sometime next year if you want to keep your PR status.

The citizenship rules have changed. To qualify for citizenship, you must now live in Canada for 4 out of the last 6 years before applying.
 

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johny2516 said:
Hi

1. We landed on 10th June 2013.We (me & my family) stayed 75 days in 2013 and left Canada for the purpose of winding up business in my own country. The process of closing business has not been finished yet and requires app one more year.
2. I brought family back to Canada on June 2015.I have plan to stay 76 days more and then I have to leave for one more year for finalizing my unfinished liabilities in my own country. However, my family will continue to stay in Canada? My question are:
3. Under new citizenship law, what are the entitlements obligations for PRC and citizenship?
4. Would I be able to maintain my entitlement for renewal of PRC and subsequent Citizenship in view of the above situation? PRC card expiry date is June 2018.
Hi,
If you family stays in Canada from now on, their PR residency obligations are fine. You may have issue however. The max you can be outside is 3 out of 5 years. You are already roughly 2 years outside Canada (a bit less) with plans to be away for another year. You would be close to that 3 year threshold. When you return to Canada, make sure you come back before those 3 years are up. The closer you cut it, the more CBSA and CIC will be suspicious. Anyway once you come back to Canada, you need to make sure you can accumulate the 730 (2 years) days before you can try to renew your PR card.

PR rules did not change with the new law. But for citizenship, you need to have 1460 days in Canada over a 6 year period. And 4 of those 6 years you must have spent 183+ days inside Canada in a calendar year.
 

johny2516

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If we stay 183 days in coming 4 years out of 6, would we be entitled for submitting citizenship application or would we only be maintaining PRC?
Could you please explain the meaning of 183 days in any 4 years out of 6 years? Does it require to maintain PRC ? If yes, where does 2 years out 5 years fit?
 

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johny2516 said:
If we stay 183 days in coming 4 years out of 6, would we be entitled for submitting citizenship application or would we only be maintaining PRC?
Could you please explain the meaning of 183 days in any 4 years out of 6 years? Does it require to maintain PRC ? If yes, where does 2 years out 5 years fit?
PR requirement and Citizenship requirement are two different things.

For PR: Must be in Canada for 2 (730 days) out of the last 5 years. That's it.

For Citizenship : there are two rules that must be met:
1) Must be in Canada for 4 (1430 days) out of the last 6 years.
2) In the last 6 calendar years, you must have spent at least 183 days in Canada for 4 of those years.

Both 1 and 2 must be met to qualify for citizenship. It is possible to qualify for one but not the other. For example, if you stay in Canada only 183 days in 4 out of 6 years and that is it, then you satisfy #2 but NOT #1 because (183 x 4 = 732 days).
 

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johny2516 said:
If we stay 183 days in coming 4 years out of 6, would we be entitled for submitting citizenship application or would we only be maintaining PRC?
Could you please explain the meaning of 183 days in any 4 years out of 6 years? Does it require to maintain PRC ? If yes, where does 2 years out 5 years fit?
If you stay 183 days in the coming 4 years out of 6 you will not qualify for citizenship. To qualify for citizenship you need to live in Canada for 4 years (1460 days) out of 6 years.

Living in Canada for 2 years out of every rolling 5 years is the residency requirement for keeping PR. The PR residency requirement and the citizenship residency requirement are two different things that have nothing to do with each other.
 

johny2516

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Hi

Its perfect. I got it.Bundles of thanks! I would request you to clarify one more confusion as under:

What is the date of counting numbers of days for physical presence? Is it counted from the date and month of landing or from Jan to Dec each year?

Example
We landed on 10th June 2013. We may calculate the number of days from 10th June 2013 to 10th June , 2013 or be counted from 1st Jan 2013 to 1st Jan 2019?
 

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Landing date.
 

johny2516

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It i snot clear to us which duration is considered for physical presence? Whether we calculate physical presence days form 10th June of every year or from 1st Jan to Dec of every year?
 

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johny2516 said:
It i snot clear to us which duration is considered for physical presence? Whether we calculate physical presence days form 10th June of every year or from 1st Jan to Dec of every year?
The clock starts on the day that you landed as a PR and is applied on a rolling daily basis.
 

johny2516

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i have referred r to a link which clearly says that the period between Jan 1 and Dec 31 is to be considered for physical presence.

"You must also be physically present for at least 183 days between January 1 and December 31 for any four of these years: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 or 2019. Even though calendar year 2013 is partially in the six-year period immediately before you apply for citizenship."
 

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Let me ask one interesting question:
What happens if a person lands in Canada as a PR and stays there 4 years straight, thus ensuring:
i. he has spent more than 1460 days.
ii. spend a minimum of 183 in each of these calendar years.

Now can he apply for citizenship or does he need to wait for another 2 years (4 out of 6 year rule) before he can apply.
 

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jonhy2516 said:
It i snot clear to us which duration is considered for physical presence? Whether we calculate physical presence days form 10th June of every year or from 1st Jan to Dec of every year?

i have referred r to a link which clearly says that the period between Jan 1 and Dec 31 is to be considered for physical presence.

"You must also be physically present for at least 183 days between January 1 and December 31 for any four of these years: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 or 2019. Even though calendar year 2013 is partially in the six-year period immediately before you apply for citizenship."

scylla and keesio have aptly illuminated the PR residency obligation and the citizenship presence requirements, but for some typos, and but for clarifying how the 183 X 4 calendar years requirement works.

Relative to the PR Residency Obligation, it warrants emphasis that it appears you could be cutting it very close if you remain outside Canada for another year prior to the fifth year anniversary of the day you landed (noting that the PR card is typically valid to a slightly later date than that). If you are outside Canada for 1095 days prior to the fifth year anniversary of the day you landed, you will be in breach of the PR RO. Canada has historically been somewhat lenient about the PR RO for applicants still within the first five years but who have made a concerted effort toward actually settling in Canada. The extent to which a particular individual will be treated leniently, however, is very uncertain, and overall the trend has been toward more strict enforcement of requirements like this. And since stuff happens, cutting it close, let alone going over, is risky.



Citizenship Presence Requirements:

As already explained, there are two presence requirements: the 4/6 rule and the 183 X 4 CY rule.

Both must be met to qualify for citizenship.

Thus, to qualify for citizenship, the PR must have been present in Canada:

*** 1460 days out of the six years immediately preceding the date the application is made, AND

*** 183 days in each of four Calendar Years (Jan 1 to Dec 31) which are fully or partially within the six years

Landing date is largely irrelevant, other than it counts as a day in Canada, and that no days in Canada prior to the landing date will count. Again, NO days prior to landing count.

Otherwise, the date that matters is the date the application is made.

Thus, what matters is the previous six years based on the day before the application is made.

Thus, for the applicant who applies July 25, 2019, this individual must have a total of 1460 days (as a PR) in Canada between July 25, 2013 and July 24, 2019.

For the 183 X 4 CY requirement: Since there are not enough days in 2013 between July 25 (days more than six years previous do not count) and December 31, to total 183 for 2013, this individual could meet the 183 X 4 CY requirement so long as he was in Canada (as a PR) at least 183 days in each of four of the following years:
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019

To put this in perspective, the applicant who applies June 25, 2019 might be able to count 2013 as one of the 183 X 4 CY years if, of course, he landed prior to July 2, 2013 and was in Canada 183 days or more in 2013 after landing and counting only days between June 25, 2013 and December 31, 2013.

CIC's Program Delivery Instructions actually set out in detail numerous factual scenarios covering enough of the variations to fully illuminate how this works.




alok4best said:
Let me ask one interesting question:
What happens if a person lands in Canada as a PR and stays there 4 years straight, thus ensuring:
i. he has spent more than 1460 days.
ii. spend a minimum of 183 in each of these calendar years.

Now can he apply for citizenship or does he need to wait for another 2 years (4 out of 6 year rule) before he can apply.
A PR can apply as soon as he or she meets all the requirements. It is impossible to meet the requirements any sooner than 4 years. There is no need to wait six years if all the requirements are met earlier than that . . . which will, indeed, be the case for many.

Reminder: compliance with CRA tax filing obligations is also required for at least four tax years fully or partially within the preceding six years.
 

saspk

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alok4best said:
Let me ask one interesting question:
What happens if a person lands in Canada as a PR and stays there 4 years straight, thus ensuring:
i. he has spent more than 1460 days.
ii. spend a minimum of 183 in each of these calendar years.

Now can he apply for citizenship or does he need to wait for another 2 years (4 out of 6 year rule) before he can apply.
no offense,i think its dumb and not interesting at all.u live 4 years straight and u qualify to apply
 

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saspk said:
no offense,i think its dumb and not interesting at all.u live 4 years straight and u qualify to apply
Please don't bump posts that are a month old and have already been answered.