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Hi All,


We Just received the Passport Picture/Photo Request.

From what I understand is that we have a few weeks to a few months until we get the PR final steps. (COPR)


My wife (American) doesn't own a car now but plans on buying one in the next few weeks.


If she buys a car now and owns it for a few weeks does she has to pay duties and tax?

From what I have read the answer is no, the car she wants to buy is 30K. Is this true? Any advice is recommended.

Thanks!
 

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I have also heard the same according to that she don't need to pay duties or tax if going to come by road.
 

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Be careful when buying a car in the US that will eventually be exclusively used in Canada. There are extra steps you need to go through, as US and Canada safety requirements are different. i.e. in Canada daytime running lights are required, in the US they are not. So you may need to get some modifications done to the car before it can be insured in Canada.

Also keep in mind that many Canadian companies will NOT honor US based manufacturer warranties. So if you have a warranty issue on the car, you may need to go back to the US to get it fixed. This is different for all companies so do your research.
 

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Hi All,


We Just received the Passport Picture/Photo Request.

From what I understand is that we have a few weeks to a few months until we get the PR final steps. (COPR)


My wife (American) doesn't own a car now but plans on buying one in the next few weeks.


If she buys a car now and owns it for a few weeks does she has to pay duties and tax?

From what I have read the answer is no, the car she wants to buy is 30K. Is this true? Any advice is recommended.

Thanks!



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Go to this website riv.ca. it has all the information you need on how to import a car to Canada from US. Hope that helps
 

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Thanks, I've seen RIV and I've imported a car as a Canadian I familiar with it, but that does not answer my question.


If my wife gets her COPR and buys a car a few weeks before receiving it, does she pay tax on her 30K vehicle or not.

Thanks for whoever knows the answer! I see that some say she must own it for 6 months, or must pay tax on it if its worth over 10K, but those rules are for Canadians returning to Canada from what I understand.

S4R
 

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I'm pretty sure she does not - As the vehicle will be part of her "goods to follow" and therefor are tax exempt. The only fees she will end up having to pay is the RIV registration fee and the RIV inspection fee which can be done after its imported into Canada. I imported my car once I received PR - but I also have owned my car for several years. I don't see how purchasing it before receiving COPR would make a difference, but I'm honestly not sure. I think your best bet is just to call RIV and ask.
 

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atmosphere said:
I'm pretty sure she does not - As the vehicle will be part of her "goods to follow" and therefor are tax exempt. The only fees she will end up having to pay is the RIV registration fee and the RIV inspection fee which can be done after its imported into Canada. I imported my car once I received PR - but I also have owned my car for several years. I don't see how purchasing it before receiving COPR would make a difference, but I'm honestly not sure. I think your best bet is just to call RIV and ask.
CBSA might not agree with you. http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5113-eng.html#s4x5

Ownership, possession and use requirements

To import goods duty- and tax-free, Settlers must have owned, possessed and used the goods prior to their arrival in Canada and Former Residents must have owned, possessed and used the goods for at least six months before returning to resume residence.

It is important that you meet these three requirements. For example, if you owned and possessed the goods without using them, the goods will be subject to duty and taxes.
 

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sid4ever2009 said:
Hi All,

My wife (American) doesn't own a car now but plans on buying one in the next few weeks.


If she buys a car now and owns it for a few weeks does she has to pay duties and tax?

From what I have read the answer is no, the car she wants to buy is 30K. Is this true? Any advice is recommended.

Thanks!

Correct, as long as she owns, uses and possesses the new vehicle before turning in her B4 (assuming she'll be a Settler*). This includes her plating the car, etc in the US. CBSA Memo d2-2-1 details vehicle requirements specifically:

"15. In some cases, settlers wish to acquire goods in other than their homeland (e.g., while they are en route to Canada), and problems arise at the time of importation when not all of the ownership, possession, and use requirements have been met. As vehicles are frequently involved, the following criteria have been developed to assist settlers in such cases:

(a) the vehicle must have been owned and possessed by the settler, in accordance with the conditions described above, prior to his or her arrival in Canada;
(b) in addition to having owned and taken possession of the vehicle abroad, the settler must have been legally entitled to operate it in the free environment abroad (e.g., have a valid driver's licence) and have actually driven it on the open roads abroad for some distance, prior to the date on which the settler arrives in Canada. (note that a test drive using dealer licence plates or a drive only on the manufacturer's or dealer's premises does not qualify);
(c) the vehicle must have been licensed and insured (temporarily or otherwise), in the name of the settler, for use in the free environment abroad during the period it was used;
(d) documentary evidence is produced at the time of accounting to substantiate that the above requirements have been met;
(e) all of the remaining requirements of tariff item No. 9807.00.00 are complied with; and
(f) The vehicle is eligible for importation into Canada in accordance with Transport Canada's laws and requirements."


* "For the purpose of tariff item No. 9807.00.00, “settler” means any person who enters Canada with the intention of establishing, for the first time, a residence for a period of not less than 12 months, but does not include a person who enters Canada for the purpose of

(a) employment for a period not exceeding 36 months;
(b) studying at an educational institution; or
(c) performing preclearance activities on behalf of the Government of the United States under the terms of the Agreement on Air Transport Preclearance between the Government of Canada and the Government of the United States of America, signed January 18, 2001."


It sounds like she has her heart set on a specific vehicle and since you've imported cars before you may have done this already. However, FWIW, I would encourage you to take a look at the RIV web site (riv.ca) to ensure the vehicle qualifies for importation and what modifications will be needed when she moves (e.g., daytime running lights, etc) and do a bit of research on the manufacturer to understand what it will take to get the recall clearance letter (some are self-serve on a website, others require significant payment)
 

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PMM said:
Ownership, possession and use requirements

To import goods duty- and tax-free, Settlers must have owned, possessed and used the goods prior to their arrival in Canada and Former Residents must have owned, possessed and used the goods for at least six months before returning to resume residence.
This is what my husband, a Canadian returning to Canada, was told. We were considering a few big purchases, a car among them, and decided to wait until we got to Canada. He's military and the military pays for and advises on issues concerning his moves. He was told that he had to have purchased a car at least six months prior to the move (we only got five months notice of the posting), or he would have to pay duty and taxes.

Not sure if it's different for an American moving to Canada. Also, be advised that no matter how careful you are and how much you know about the rules, the folks at the border may not have the same information as you. For about 40 minutes when we were at the border crossing, the Customs agent who was speaking with my husband remained convinced that my husband owed taxes on his car, despite buying the car in Canada over four years earlier. We finally got him straightened out, but it took some patience and a lot of talk before the Customs agent agreed with us.
 

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I believe you can't just buy a car for a couple of weeks only to not pay duties on it when coming into Canada. Not likely to work that way. In order to avoid duties on your car, the car must be at least 6 months old before it can be considered a used car thus avoiding the import duties on it. Plus you would have to install running daylights before the car can be insured or even registered.

One othe thing too, when you do all this and registered your car in Canada. Canadian car dealers will not honour your new car warrenties. Even if you tried to bring it to the US, even they will not likely honour the warrenty there since the car is now registered in Canada.

I had this issue with my Canadian purchased car in US. I had warrenty on car while living in US. At first they said that they will not honour my warrenty. I told them that the car was not imported into US, in other words car is still registered in canadian address. Then they honoured the warrenty. So I suspect that once you registered your US car in canada, your warrenty is pretty much gone, worth nothing to Canada nor US.

One other thing to note. If you have a lien on your US car, you cannot import the car into Canada until the car is paid off in full. Plus if you did try to do it, the lien owner will sue you to get all your money back paid in full. By importing the car with a lien on it, the lien company may see you as stealing their car as you do not have authorization from lien to export the car out of the country.

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