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Need for a birth certificate?

maikan

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Jan 30, 2013
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Hello,

My Thai wife and I we are completing our application this week. We were ready to send it, when I read on this forum that we needed to provide her birth certificate.

We'll send the application to Singapore, here's the specific requirement where the birth certificate is named :

"PROOF OF RELATIONSHIP TO SPONSOR
If you are being sponsored by your parent, you must provide proof of the relationship such as birth certificates, baptismal certificates or other official document naming your parents.
If you are being sponsored by your spouse, common-law partner or conjugal partner, you must send evidence of the relationship between you and your sponsor such as wedding photos or proof that you are partners, letters between you and your sponsor, and telephone bills showing contact between you and your sponsor.
Note: Photos must be loose; do not send them in binders, albums, frames or other such containers. Do not send video discs or video cassettes. Do not send musical greeeting cards or other similar documents containing electronic or mechanical devices.
Proof of your sponsor’s visits such as airline ticket coupons, boarding passes, copies of pages of your sponsor's passport showing entry/exit stamps.
If you are a common-law or conjugal partner, provide evidence that your relationship is genuine and continuing and has existed for at least 12 months prior to your application. Also provide details of the history of your relationship and at least two statutory declarations from individuals with personal knowledge of your relationship supporting your claim that the relationship is genuine and continuing.
Note: The sponsor and the applicant who are common law or conjugal partners must provide historical evidence of their ongoing relationship. If they are in a relationship of two years or less and have no children together, the applicant will receive conditional permanent resident status, if the application is approved."

My interpretation of this is that you need only to provide a birth certificate IF it proves your relationship to the sponsor, for example if your sponsor is your parent or relative. The only think that proves family relationship between her and I is the marriage certificate...

We will send the marriage certificate and a copy of the passport of course. But do you think we really need to provide the birth certificate also?? It would delay the sending of the application, but would be better than being even more delayed buy a request of missing document from CIC.

Thanks a lot for your advise.
 

maikan

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Jan 30, 2013
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Oups, sorry, I posted the wrong quote, he's the paragraph I was talking about :

"IDENTITY AND CIVIL STATUS DOCUMENTS
Provide birth certificates, baptismal certificates or other official document confirming relationship (including all pages of Household Registries, if applicable) for you and each of your family members.
If you are married, you must include a marriage certificate. If you are now divorced, you must include final divorce certificates; if separated, a separation certificate. If your former spouse or common-law partner is deceased, you must include your spouse’s or partner’s death certificate. Photocopy of Citizenship Certificate or Immigrant Visa for any family members who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents of Canada.
If you are in a common-law or conjugal relationship, provide proof of that relationship.
If you provide other identity and civil status documents, please specify."
 

maikan

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Jan 30, 2013
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P.S. Sending copies of all pages of the household register wouldn't be a problem and wouldn't delay our sending. Do you think it would be enough? Thx.
 

Betina

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Jul 17, 2013
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Visa Office......
Bucharest
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Yes
App. Filed.......
10-05-2013
Doc's Request.
05-08-2013 (IMM5669E/Q8), 14-11-2013 (proof of return, of funds, of cohabitation)
AOR Received.
06-06-2013
File Transfer...
11-06-2013
Med's Done....
12-11-2012, repeat x-ray for extension 23-01-2014 (extension granted)
Interview........
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04-02-2014
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06-02-2014
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08-04-2014
In the forms that your wife will have to fill there are questions about her parents - even if they are not sponsored through this application (in CICs opinion, family means spouse, children and parents). I assume her birth certificate mentions her parents. So it looks to me that she has to include the document in the file.
 

Betina

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App. Filed.......
10-05-2013
Doc's Request.
05-08-2013 (IMM5669E/Q8), 14-11-2013 (proof of return, of funds, of cohabitation)
AOR Received.
06-06-2013
File Transfer...
11-06-2013
Med's Done....
12-11-2012, repeat x-ray for extension 23-01-2014 (extension granted)
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
04-02-2014
VISA ISSUED...
06-02-2014
LANDED..........
08-04-2014
maikan said:
P.S. Sending copies of all pages of the household register wouldn't be a problem and wouldn't delay our sending. Do you think it would be enough? Thx.
I don't know what a household register is, we don't have that in my country, so I couldn't answer this question.
 

keesio

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May 16, 2012
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App. Filed.......
09-01-2013
Doc's Request.
09-07-2013
AOR Received.
30-01-2013
File Transfer...
11-02-2013
Med's Done....
02-01-2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
12-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
15-08-2013
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maikan said:
Hello,

We will send the marriage certificate and a copy of the passport of course. But do you think we really need to provide the birth certificate also?? It would delay the sending of the application, but would be better than being even more delayed buy a request of missing document from CIC.

Thanks a lot for your advise.
A marriage certificate and passport copy is not enough. You need some kind of identity document (a passport strangely does not qualify for this). A birth certificate is ideal but a valid current household registry is usually good too and it also documents the relationship with immediate family. Also in many countries it serves as a type of birth certificate. You may want to check some of the threads for people sponsoring a Thai national check in there to confirm.
 

TheGerman

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Do I also need a birth certificate for my parents if my wife is my sponsor and I do not have any children? As far as I understand the guide my parents are not part of the application. Therefore I do not need a birth certificate for my parents. Is this correct?
 

Betina

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Jul 17, 2013
570
29
Canada
Visa Office......
Bucharest
Pre-Assessed..
Yes
App. Filed.......
10-05-2013
Doc's Request.
05-08-2013 (IMM5669E/Q8), 14-11-2013 (proof of return, of funds, of cohabitation)
AOR Received.
06-06-2013
File Transfer...
11-06-2013
Med's Done....
12-11-2012, repeat x-ray for extension 23-01-2014 (extension granted)
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
04-02-2014
VISA ISSUED...
06-02-2014
LANDED..........
08-04-2014
TheGerman said:
Do I also need a birth certificate for my parents if my wife is my sponsor and I do not have any children? As far as I understand the guide my parents are not part of the application. Therefore I do not need a birth certificate for my parents. Is this correct?
You don't need to include any identity documents for persons not sponsored.
 

maikan

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Jan 30, 2013
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Thanks for you answers, Betina and keesio.

We're going to provide my wife's birth certificate (but need to make it translate before).

Have a nice day all.
 

keesio

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May 16, 2012
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Toronto, Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-01-2013
Doc's Request.
09-07-2013
AOR Received.
30-01-2013
File Transfer...
11-02-2013
Med's Done....
02-01-2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
12-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
15-08-2013
LANDED..........
14-10-2013
maikan said:
Thanks for you answers, Betina and keesio.

We're going to provide my wife's birth certificate (but need to make it translate before).

Have a nice day all.
Good move. A birth certificate is by far the preferred document.