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I did gain a little extra information from his other post at http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/spousal-sponsorship-t46995.0.html;msg2764341#msg2764341
As he is divorced from his ex-wife, there is no room for confusion. It's a complete non-starter.
 

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Just broke out of my silence since I received the CAIPS/GCM Notes. Obviously I was decoding certain information. Well, now I can say 100% without a shadow of doubt that there is nothing wrong with my application. First thing to be done was CRIMINALITY which I PASSED on 2013/08/06. The second thing was ELIGIBILITY which I also PASSED on 2013/NOV/21. You all remember that Nairobi got my Hubby's divorce certificate 2013/Sept/18. SECURITY is in PROGRESS, I don't know until when. MEDICALS are in PROGRESS too since they expired 2013/NOV/ 06.

The officer notes #2 dated 2013/MAR/27 state that:" SPR met eligibility to sponsor , however this is his second marriage. SPR submitted his sponsorship application with an annulment letter stamped by the police but this is not a divorce certificate. It appears that SPR's first marriage was by a proxy. This time SPR traveled to Zambia to marry this PA, as the pictures show they had a beautiful religious and civil marriage and they have demonstrated an ongoing relationship. PA needs to fill IMM 5406 correctly and provide a police certificate from Congo, PA has provided letters from friends and family admissibility of this relationship"

Other place the Notes #1 say: 2013/SEPT/18 SPR has provided his divorce certificate. Process can continue further.

I am relieved because there are 14 officers who checked my application and processed it no one put something wrong in the notes about rejection as I was told by many. The only thing i noticed I don't have a BFD any more on my file, the last one was 2013/OCT/30. However, my file was open 2 times after this date (2013/10/30). The first one was when they finished checking the eligibility of our relationship and the last updated was 2013/NOV/30.

Question to everybody who knows something. Why don't I have any BFD anymore? I will appreciate your input.
Another question: is CRIMINALITY and SECURITY CHECKS done by CSIS? IF YES, why the results for CRIMINALITY always come first since CSIS works with the countries I lived in?
 

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Lesson 101 that you need to know about Criminality and Security checks, these two ingredients constitute the very background check CSIS performs. If you saw Criminality: completed in your GCM notes rest assured that Security is already done too, but CIC always omitted to show it when you requested your CAIPS/GCM. Sometimes they do show it; but in most cases Security results don’t show up and I don’t know the reason why they do that. Check the content of information you had provided to CIC in Schedule 1 or Schedule A Background/ Declaration. I will take you slowly through this powerful form that helps CIC and CSIS to conduct background checks on you. Section 1 of IMM 5669 E asks your full name which they will use to request information from different countries you lived and still live, through International Police System (Interpol), through other international agencies.

“The screening of potential immigrants to Canada is a complex process which involves several
government departments and agencies such as Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC), Health Canada, Human Resources Development Canada, and RCMP [Royal Canadian Mounted Police] and CSIS, each of whom has specific responsibilities.”

3.1 THE SECURITY SCREENING

Under the authority of sections 14 and 15 of the CSIS Act, the Service may investigate and provide the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration with information relating to security and criminal matters that are relevant to the exercise of any power or the performance of any duty or function by that Minister under the Immigration Act or the Citizenship Act15.

“The term 'security screenings' refers to the procedures used to identify persons seeking admission to Canada who are, or have been, involved in espionage, subversion, or terrorism.” 16 Although the term refers to tine scrutiny of an applicant's political orientation, beliefs and activities, as part of the normal immigrant selection process, criminal records checks are also conducted wherever possible. In everyday use, the term “security screening” has sometimes been expanded to include the measures to identify those who have been convicted of criminal offenses. It should be noted, however, that a security screening clearance does not mean that the individual does not have a criminal record’

In fact, they are actually two forms of screening. There is a clear distinction between the police
clearance, which is undertaken by the applicant, and the background clearance, in which the
applicant does not have an active involvement. Usually, any applicant for immigration to Canada
over the age of 18 years must provide proof of no criminal record in any country in which he or she has resided within the previous 10 years and sometimes longer. In most cases, applicants have little difficulty obtaining such “police certificates” (police clearance documents) certifying the absence of criminal record. But in all cases of immigration, a background clearance is conducted to ensure that applicants who “are, or have been, involved in espionage, subversion, or terrorism” are detected.

When queries with foreign agencies are necessary, the Service remains ever-vigilant to sources of information operating from a self-serving agenda. Any information supplied to the Service by a foreign agency is evaluated against what the Service already possesses and the previous reliability of the supplier. Such vigilance and scrutiny, in addition with the delays inherent to communication between the intelligence agencies for criminal and security checks, can result in lengthy processing delays.

3.3.2 PERSONS WHO MAY ENGAGE IN VIOLENCE

According to section 19(1)(g) of the Immigration Act, where there are reasonable grounds to believe that persons will engage in acts of violence that would or might endanger the lives or safety of persons in Canada or are members of or are likely to participate in the unlawful activities of an organization that is likely to engage in such acts of violence, they are inadmissible.

3.3.3 PERSONS WHO MAY HAVE COMMITTED WAR CRIMES

According to Section 19(1)(j) of the Immigration Act, where there are reasonable grounds to believe that persons have committed an act or omission outside Canada that constituted a war crime or a crime against humanity within the meaning of subsection 7 (3.76) (Offences committed on aircraft, Definitions) of the Criminal Code19 and that, if it had been committed in Canada, would have constituted an offence against the Laws of Canada in force at the time of the act or omission, they are inadmissible.

3.3.5 PERSONS INVOLVED WITH TERRORIST GOVERNMENTS

According to Section 19(1)(l) of the Immigration Act, persons who are or were senior members of or senior officials in the service of a government that is or was, in the opinion of the Minister, engaged in terrorism, systematic or gross human rights violations or war crimes or crimes against humanity within the meaning of subsection 7 (3.76) (Offences committed on aircraft, Definitions) of the Criminal Code are inadmissible. However, this ground does not apply to persons who have satisfied the Minister that their admission would not be detrimental to the National Interest.

According to Section 19(1.1) of the Immigration Act, “senior members of or senior officials in the service of a government” means persons who, by virtue of the position they hold or have held, are or were able to exert a significant influence on the exercise of government power and, without limiting its generality, includes
a. heads of state or government;
b. members of the cabinet or governing council;
c. senior advisors to persons described in paragraph (a) or (b);
d. senior members of the public service;
e. senior members of the military and of the intelligence and internal security apparatus;
f. ambassadors and senior diplomatic officials; and
g. members of the judiciary.



4. REVIEW OF SECURITY SCREENINGS

4.1 INVESTIGATION BY THE SIRC

There are two statutory review bodies of CSIS: the Office of the Inspector General of CSIS and the SIRC, which does not form a part of the Ministry. The SIRC is a non-partisan committee of Privy Councillors that conducts independent external review of CSIS as mandated by the Canadian Security Intelligence Act to, among other things, “investigate complaints concerning denials of security clearances, and denials of citizenship or immigration status based on security
considerations.” 21 The SIRC, in its role to guard against any infringement upon human rights and freedoms by CSIS, has a mandate to receive and investigate complaints from individuals whose security clearance has been denied or revoked in the case of public service employment, or in the supply of goods or services to the government of Canada (section 42 of the CSIS Act). SIRC may also review reports concerning immigration applications that have been rejected on security or criminal grounds. Some statistics of the past few years, from different organizations including the CSIS, the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) and CIC, can be very interesting and help to get a better overview of the context in which CSIS' immigration security checks are conducted.


Section 4 of IMM 5669 E asks your father’s information and Section 5 asks for your mother. Now from Section 6 things become very sensitive and you need to provide as truthful information as you can because they will check for the safety of Canadians. This section 6 is all about Criminality as well as Security. Once Criminality is done automatically Security is done because you cannot separate them. If you check your CAIPS/GCM under Assessments heading you will see HIRV which is related to both security and criminality and if I can break that down for you it stand for Human and International Right Violation. If you ever committed mass killing in a certain movement or organization they will fill that part of HIRV what they will find and it will not look good for anyone who want to immigrate to Canada. If there is nothing on HIRV you are clean because they did not find anything at all. Then Section 7 your education checks mostly for FSW Program they do education check if one’s Degree or Diploma is genuine. Then after comes Section 8 your personal history they want to know you more, your last activities, work, and studies. Section 9, which is Membership of an organization. They will check if you were involved in terrorism before, violate international human right, mass rap, killing or plotting massacres. If you ever fill in section 6,9,10,11 this will cause Canadians’ curiosity because you smell like a good candidate to screen for a long time. That is why you hear people saying their background checks took 1 or 1 ½ year to be completed.


In Conclusion

Since you said Criminality is done and Security shows in progress don’t worry about that. It is already done but they are now waiting for your medical result to come back then you will hear Decision Made knocking at your door. Because they did not send you forms to re-do your medicals it’s a pretty good sign that you were healthier when you did medical examinations for the first time and you passed them with flying colours now they just re-evaluate your last medical data to see if you are eligible if yes they will extend them right away and issue a new medical certificate. If no they will underline which part of the examination you need to redo. Also check one of your note sections you will see that VO wrote a summary of what he/she thinks of your relationship and in another notes they may say something about Security and Criminality.

Sincerely

Eagle333
 

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Eagle thank you very much for answering my questions. This was a very detailed answer I was craving for. You really open my mind on so many things I did know before . Now when I read my GCM notes through your eagle's eyes it really look different now. For example: in notes# 6 of my GCM says: "Valid-P/certs Zambia and DRC attached on file. Schedule1 reviewed. No apparent criminality. Foss Checked"

Now I understand that they hid security check rather than showing it because schedule1 form include deep scrutiny of both criminality and security with different agencies. I understand this HIRV that I did not what it stand for, thanks again for breaking that down for me and link it with background checks. Wow eagle you really fly.
 

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Naomi39 said:
Eagle thank you very much for answering my questions. This was a very detailed answer I was craving for. You really open my mind on so many things I did know before . Now when I read my GCM notes through your eagle's eyes it really look different now. For example: in notes# 6 of my GCM says: "Valid-P/certs Zambia and DRC attached on file. Schedule1 reviewed. No apparent criminality. Foss Checked"

Now I understand that they hid security check rather than showing it because schedule1 form include deep scrutiny of both criminality and security with different agencies. I understand this HIRV that I did not what it stand for, thanks again for breaking that down for me and link it with background checks. Wow eagle you really fly.

Start packing your stuff Naomi, medical results will not tarry. I am flattered that I answered all your Security and Criminality questions.
 

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zardoz said:
I did gain a little extra information from his other post at http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/spousal-sponsorship-t46995.0.html;msg2764341#msg2764341
As he is divorced from his ex-wife, there is no room for confusion. It's a complete non-starter.
Sounds good Zardoz, I did not know that gash4peace was in that situation. For sure there is no room for hope in this case.
Eagle that was a brilliant explanation on security and criminality checks. I did not how it worked until you fully explained it.
 

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Medical Results Received by CIC: In Progress
We have received your medical results. We will contact you only if additional tests are needed.

Approval Status Determined / Eligibility:Passed
Your application will be either approved or rejected. We will inform you of the decision in writing

Decision Made will ring very soon oh my God! I am so excited!!!!!
 

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HELP IS NEEDED HERE.


SECTIONS 15(1) ARE JUST ABOVE OF THESE PAGES OF MY CAIPS.

I know that it is a sign that CSIS is running security check on me.


CRIMINALITY: 1
Created Date: 2012/10/26
Created By: SADMIN
Updated Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
UCI #: 12345678
Updated By: EP5043
Family Name: Naomi
Status: Passed
Type: Criminality
Validity: 2015/08/06
Status Updated By: EP5043
Status Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Assigned By: SADMIN
Assigned To:
Due Date: 2012/11/25
ACTIVITY #: 1-20N0SL J

SECURITY: 1
Created Date: 2012/10/26
Created By: SADMIN
Updated Date:
Updated By: EP5043
UCI #: 12345678
Family Name: Naomi
Type: Security
Status:
Validity:
Status Updated By: EP5043
Status Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Assigned By: SADMIN
Assigned To:
Due Date:
ACTIVITY #: 1-20N0SLM




ACTIVTY: 1
UCI: 12345678
Name: Naomi
Sub-Activity/Activity Type: Criminality
Field name: Status
New Value: Passed
Updated date: 2013/08/06
Updated by: EP5043

ACTIVTY: 2
UCI: 12345678
Name: Naomi
Sub-Activity/Activity Type: Security
Field name: Status
New Value:
Updated date:
Updated by: EP5043

APPLICATION: 1
Field Name: Criminality
Action: Updated
Old Value: Not Started
New Value: Passed
Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Updated By: EP5043

APPLICATION: 2
Field Name: Security
Action: Updated
Old Value: Not Started
New Value:
Updated Date:
Updated By: EP5043


PAPER FILE TRANSFER HISTORY: 6
Created Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Created By: EP5043
Updated Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Updated By: EP5043
Location: Registry PA (Put Away)

PAPER FILE HISTORY: 6
Created Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Created By: EP5043
Updated Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Updated By: EP5043
Location: Registry PA (Put Away)





Notes: 6
Created Date: 2013/08/06
Created By: EP5043
Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Updated By: EP5043
Restricted: No
Text: Criminality: Valid P-cert on file, Foss checked, Schedule 1 reviewed. No apparent Criminality concerns.


1. Concern rises here, why are there 2 blank spaces in front of Criminality? Is there something wrong on my criminality?

PPT, MED, RPRF are already submitted with the application almost a year and 2 months
 

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Because he hit his tab key or space bar while typing? There is no hidden agenda reason why there is a space there. Don't overthink this too much. You are trying hard to assign a meaning to something completely benign. Sit back and try to be patient. They will finish with your file sooner or later.

Happy Holidays!
 

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Naomi39 said:
Hi there,

People have different IQs. I am 100% sure they are hiding something in those blank spaces. If you know what sections 15(1) of Access to information says you would not blame me in the first place . Someone will answer this question then you will learn too even if you already landed.

Happy new year you too.
If they have redacted information, it's because they don't want you to know... There may be many reasons why this is, and they probably don't want you to know those either.
 

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Thanks Zardoz, I understand your simple answer than the previous one which stated that the VO must have hit twice tub just in front of Criminality. You see how some people give wrong information?
 

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Naomi39 said:
Thanks Zardoz, I understand your simple answer than the previous one which stated that the VO must have hit twice tub just in front of Criminality. You see how some people give wrong information?
My GCMS notes are full of these "holes". Many of them I can guess. Some, I can't... Anything that is "security" related will be redacted. In some cases, sponsor information is also redacted if the GCMS notes are requested by the principal applicant, and vice versa.
 

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+1 to you Zardoz for your explanation. I guess those blanks are there because they are doing security check now.
 

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HELP IS NEEDED HERE.


SECTIONS 15(1) ARE JUST ABOVE OF THESE PAGES OF MY CAIPS.

I know that it is a sign that CSIS is running security check on me.


CRIMINALITY: 1
Created Date: 2012/10/26
Created By: SADMIN
Updated Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
UCI #: 12345678
Updated By: EP5043
Family Name: Naomi
Status: Passed
Type: Criminality
Validity: 2015/08/06
Status Updated By: EP5043
Status Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Assigned By: SADMIN
Assigned To:
Due Date: 2012/11/25
ACTIVITY #: 1-20N0SL J

SECURITY: 1
Created Date: 2012/10/26
Created By: SADMIN
Updated Date:
Updated By: EP5043
UCI #: 12345678
Family Name: Naomi
Type: Security
Status:
Validity:
Status Updated By: EP5043
Status Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Assigned By: SADMIN
Assigned To:
Due Date:
ACTIVITY #: 1-20N0SLM




ACTIVTY: 1
UCI: 12345678
Name: Naomi
Sub-Activity/Activity Type: Criminality
Field name: Status
New Value: Passed
Updated date: 2013/08/06
Updated by: EP5043

ACTIVTY: 2
UCI: 12345678
Name: Naomi
Sub-Activity/Activity Type: Security
Field name: Status
New Value:
Updated date:
Updated by: EP5043

APPLICATION: 1
Field Name: Criminality
Action: Updated
Old Value: Not Started
New Value: Passed
Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Updated By: EP5043

APPLICATION: 2
Field Name: Security
Action: Updated
Old Value: Not Started
New Value:
Updated Date:
Updated By: EP5043


PAPER FILE TRANSFER HISTORY: 6
Created Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Created By: EP5043
Updated Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Updated By: EP5043
Location: Registry PA (Put Away)

PAPER FILE HISTORY: 6
Created Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Created By: EP5043
Updated Date: 2013/08/06 04:27 pm
Updated By: EP5043
Location: Registry PA (Put Away)





Notes: 6
Created Date: 2013/08/06
Created By: EP5043
Updated Date: 2013/08/06
Updated By: EP5043
Restricted: No
Text: Criminality: Valid P-cert on file, Foss checked, Schedule 1 reviewed. No apparent Criminality concerns.


1. Concern rises here, why are there 2 blank spaces in front of Criminality? Is there something wrong on my criminality?

PPT, MED, RPRF are already submitted with the application almost a year and 2 months

Dear Naomi,

According to me those blank spots you see in your Notes( GCMS) replace the word security. It should read like this. SECURITY CRIMINALITY: Valid P-cert on file, Foss checked, schedule 1 reviewed. no apparent SECURITY CRIMINALITY concern.

Now you don't see security because it looks like it taking a bit long for CSIS to received all the information they are looking for. Plus you said it for yourself that SECTIONS 15(1) is blocking the word security.

I have made an extensive search on those blank spots you mentioned and I found them in these threads. I agree with you that people's IQs are different. You will see exactly your cases being explained in these threads.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/latest-caips-gcms-notes-forms-and-how-to-order-t99210.660.html

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/latest-caips-gcms-notes-forms-and-how-to-order-t99210.765.html

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/latest-caips-gcms-notes-forms-and-how-to-order-t99210.180.html


http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/latest-caips-gcms-notes-forms-and-how-to-order-t99210.180.html
 

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Naomi39 said:
Thanks Zardoz, I understand your simple answer than the previous one which stated that the VO must have hit twice tub just in front of Criminality. You see how some people give wrong information?
I see that with your lovely attitude you will indeed be a fine asset to Canada.

My response was soley to ease your mind so you could enjoy your holidays. Your responses are nothing but cold and designed to imply that I am of less intelligence than yourself. You go ahead and you believe what you want. I will leave your posts alone, so I hope that you don't really need help or answers on your 'rocket science' case at a later date as you may very well find you have indeed burned all of your bridges.

I still don't see anything wrong with your Criminality, however you personality could use some work. I guess it's a good thing they don't judge you based on that, eh?