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Nail the Challenge of Getting Reference Letter from Current Employer!!

dappy9

Full Member
Aug 17, 2018
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Hello seniors,

I am in the Post Ita docs submission process ... am an Indian state govt employee ... i somehow managed to get an experience certificate from my employer which envisages my designation and date of joining along with a full time working status (no illustrations regarding work timings) also it names my working trade - Mechanical Engineering (no description regarding my job roles and responsibilities) its almost impossible to get all these in a written format .... everyone knows very well about the government setups ..... And no senior will give me any sort of referal regarding my job roles and responsibilities..... i have salary certificate of this month duly signed by our Account officer

people with such situation managed to get thru the rigorous process of IRcc ,if any then please suggest me the further course of action .

Please guide me am in real need of an earnest advice .... i have only 12 days left for docs submission

Rajat
I am in same situation. Can you please tell if the IRCC contacted your organisation? Is your application through now?
 

riyer8

Newbie
Jul 4, 2019
2
0
Hi

My brother had received an invitation from Ontario and I had submitted all the documents but then they have asked for more information which includes more detailed roles and responsibilities. The HR had given a bonafide which sparsely mentions his roles and duties and now they are refusing to give anything more than. He being in a senior position already, it is not possible for him to get a colleague help too.
Would self declaration work in this case or any other alternatives that could be used here. Any inputs would be helpful.
 

ripul

Hero Member
Jan 29, 2019
389
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Hi

My brother had received an invitation from Ontario and I had submitted all the documents but then they have asked for more information which includes more detailed roles and responsibilities. The HR had given a bonafide which sparsely mentions his roles and duties and now they are refusing to give anything more than. He being in a senior position already, it is not possible for him to get a colleague help too.
Would self declaration work in this case or any other alternatives that could be used here. Any inputs would be helpful.
Better get it signed by any of his colleague and notarize later. This is the only way if HR denies.
 

Simmidas

Hero Member
Mar 19, 2019
476
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Hi

My brother had received an invitation from Ontario and I had submitted all the documents but then they have asked for more information which includes more detailed roles and responsibilities. The HR had given a bonafide which sparsely mentions his roles and duties and now they are refusing to give anything more than. He being in a senior position already, it is not possible for him to get a colleague help too.
Would self declaration work in this case or any other alternatives that could be used here. Any inputs would be helpful.
Here are the things which you need to do.
1. Since HR denied to give a detailed letter , have this in email , keep the screenshot of denial email and explain in LOE that HR denied, proof of email screen shot provided.
2. Have the self declaration of your roles and responsibilities in a bonafide paper and explain in LOE that since HR denied, you are giving this letter
3. Have the Roles and Responsibilities mentioned in a plain paper from your colleague who is willing to sign. You will get ample samples online on the format.
4. You can get Roles and Responsibilities in an email from colleague and submit the screenshot
 

omarion

Star Member
Apr 10, 2019
94
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HOW TO GET/REQUEST REFERENCE LETTER FROM CURRENT EMPLOYER?

Reference Letter from employer plays a very important role as the document to prove your work experience for migration purposes. Many people have raised the issue on this forum that they are unable to get reference letter(s) from their employer for migration. I would like to highlight some points in this regard which worked for me and might as well work for you guys. After all you can give it a try, and if it works for you, good for you. If you have explored better ways of addressing this issue, please mention it here, so that others can also learn and approach it in a manner which will help them

Requesting a reference letter is an art, it all depends on your rapport with your manager/supervisor. If I were you, I would follow the steps given below, after all you are not moving to a competitor, you are only trying for a better life, which is not wrong at all.

1. Win Confidence - If you can win your manager's confidence, then you can let him know this over a causal chat. The best way to approach is in the form of asking your manager's advise on you moving to another country. Even if you do not like the current job, never ever do the mistake of complaining and citing it as the reason for migration. Instead, try to relate it with your personal aspirations, ambitions and quality of life and what you want to do with your life. If you ask for advise, it is an indirect way of flattering the manager and it will also make him feel that you consider him as a mentor, but do not overdo it :). This approach will definitely work, because we humans by our very nature love to advise others :). Listen to his views on the same, do not get demotivated in case he does not see immigration as a good way to better one's life. In fact, it is his view, and you have anyway made up your mind to migrate. After all, you used this approach only to put this situation to him. If you are successful in this approach, then you have laid the foundation

2. Request Reference - Next ask him whether he would be willing to refer you in case you plan to migrate in future, never give him an indication that it is immediate, otherwise he will feel that you have made up your mind to move and the thoughts of replacing you would be running in his mind. You can give an indication about it and also assure your manager that you will be around for at least a year, so that you safeguard your job even if Canada does not go through as expected. If you put it this way, he will be more than happy and willing to refer you. But sometimes, even if he is willing to refer you, he may not have the right to issue a letter, so that is where the next step comes into picture.

3. Leverage Authority/Position - If you are successful in doing the above, you have crossed 50% of the hurdle. The next important step is to convince HR to issue a letter in the required format. This is a very crucial step, so leverage your manager's authority/position and request your manager to speak to HR on your behalf and convince them about your requirement and also let him assure HR that the whole process would take at least a year (keeping buffer in mind :) ) and you would stick around for the said time being. Yes, this is the difficult part of assuring them, but you need to make a commitment (at least verbally) to stick around - if you need the letter badly, this is the least that you can do. This works in most of the cases, as they know that you may leave sometime in future and if they have to find a replacement, they know when to start the process. If this step does not work, then, from step 2 move to the step below.

4. Letter from Manager - If HR refuses to give you a letter, then ask your manager to issue you a letter on white paper (it should cover all the requisite points), along with a copy of his visiting card and company ID card and get the letter notarized. Submit it along with a Letter of Explanation (LOE).

LOE should cover the following points.
- State the reason why you cannot get a reference letter from employer, if you have any evidence to support you statement, please mention it and also attach it along with the letter.
- In absence of the letter, mention what proactive steps you have taken to prove your work experience.
- Mention the list of documents which you are submitting, in the absence of the reference letter.
- Request the Case Officer to consider your case in light of your situation and also in terms of the proactive steps taken by you to submit best alternative documentary evidence.

All the best! :)

hello, I don't know if you will receive this as this is an old threat, but can you please send me if you have any model of this explanation letter ??
 

expressnoob

Newbie
Jul 16, 2019
4
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My company asked me to draft the reference letter, can anybody here who already got PPR share their reference letter. I've seen the template but I think it's pretty common and might look suspicious to cic
 

omarion

Star Member
Apr 10, 2019
94
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My company asked me to draft the reference letter, can anybody here who already got PPR share their reference letter. I've seen the template but I think it's pretty common and might look suspicious to cic
just use the job certificate form, to which you can add your tasks and duties, you can list them as per your noc, being careful not to list something outside the scope of your noc
 
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expressnoob

Newbie
Jul 16, 2019
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just use the job certificate form, to which you can add your tasks and duties, you can list them as per your noc, being careful not to list something outside the scope of your noc
Great! thanks a lot, btw where I'm working the duties matches the noc I'm applying for, so should I just copy the noc duties from cic site and add the tools and software that I use for my reference letter?
 

omarion

Star Member
Apr 10, 2019
94
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Great! thanks a lot, btw where I'm working the duties matches the noc I'm applying for, so should I just copy the noc duties from cic site and add the tools and software that I use for my reference letter?
I am just saying you should be careful on what you are doing as they can be very picky
 

Teenz

Star Member
May 14, 2019
72
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India
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
3113
AOR Received.
28 September 2019
File Transfer...
24 October 2019
Hello everyone.
I have only reference letter of my first job ASA dentist(1 yr 6 months) on the hospital's letterhead stating my work duration, designation, and conduct. I don't have any other proof of my first job. The owner of the hospital refused to provide me any documents and now the hospital is closed. What should I do?
 

Fahadkazmi

Hero Member
May 28, 2018
285
86
Hello everyone.
I have only reference letter of my first job ASA dentist(1 yr 6 months) on the hospital's letterhead stating my work duration, designation, and conduct. I don't have any other proof of my first job. The owner of the hospital refused to provide me any documents and now the hospital is closed. What should I do?
1. Explain in detail that the hospital is now closed and attach all the documents you have including salary slips etc.
2. Ask any of your previous colleague to write you a reference letter as per CIC format and get it notarized.
 

Teenz

Star Member
May 14, 2019
72
10
India
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
3113
AOR Received.
28 September 2019
File Transfer...
24 October 2019
1. Explain in detail that the hospital is now closed and attach all the documents you have including salary slips etc.
2. Ask any of your previous colleague to write you a reference letter as per CIC format and get it notarized.
Thank you
 

kalani123

Star Member
Sep 28, 2019
85
3
Dear all,

Can anyone please help in giving more clarity on notarization.
I am planning to get reference letter from my manager with his email id employee id and phone number in plain paper.

So how to get it notarized? shuold that content be typed in a legal green paper again and signed by my manager along with the stamp paper in the front??

and is there any other content to be mentioned in the paper like affidavit other than this paper?

Please advice. thanks
 

Fahadkazmi

Hero Member
May 28, 2018
285
86
Dear all,

Can anyone please help in giving more clarity on notarization.
I am planning to get reference letter from my manager with his email id employee id and phone number in plain paper.

So how to get it notarized? shuold that content be typed in a legal green paper again and signed by my manager along with the stamp paper in the front??

and is there any other content to be mentioned in the paper like affidavit other than this paper?

Please advice. thanks
Prepare your reference letter on a plain paper and get it notarized from notary public.
Priority is to get one on company letterhead, try if you can obtain on it. It will make your process much easier.
 

kalani123

Star Member
Sep 28, 2019
85
3
Prepare your reference letter on a plain paper and get it notarized from notary public.
Priority is to get one on company letterhead, try if you can obtain on it. It will make your process much easier.
Thanks Farhad..

But shuold that content of white paper be typed in a legal green paper again and signed by my manager along with the stamp paper?? Or notary can seal and sign in the white paper itself? I am not sure if usually notary public will sign in white paper..

and is there any other content to be mentioned like affidavit other than this reference letter paper?