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rcincanada2019

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@Naturgrl view about ties that they will check her ties , I didn’t agree with her or him because that case may be depend on employed person case , if a person is doing his business and he can support his wife in this case wife ties is husband and husband has alot of ties like investments etc so he has to come back for his ties so wife is club with husband ties in my view which Naturgrl not agree I think , as per him or her wife has his own ties and husband his own ties )) so one time only one person will visit to Canada ))) couple will never visit together ))))
Just to pitch in my two-cents... You must also look at it from a "western culture" POV. In Asia mostly (from Mid East to South to Far East), we still consider extended families as immediate families. But in western culture, as soon as an individual of legal age marries, the "family" definition is now spouse and/or children. It is also common all throughout Asia to make the wives stay home as it is the primary responsibility of the husband to provide for the family. This is not the case in western culture, where women are no longer treated as the "weaker" sex that must only be relegated to the kitchen. Very common in Canada to see women with a career of their own and not dependent on their husbands (even if the husband is earning more than enough for the family). Women are not properties that must be prevented from pursuing their own career simply because the husband is doing well enough.

We may not like it, because of the culture we grew up with, but as they say "when in Rome, do what the Romans do."

Just my two-cents.
 

canuck78

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the answer is yes for overall my wife is housewife and I’m the one who support her , there are many whose wife never work. You guys are just saying that husband will prove his own ties and wife his own it’s not like that , many newly married couple travel for honey moon trip so in that case wife is also not working only husband is businessman . Our trip was also the same just to visit and the refused for family ties , if I’m family I’m going for visit already I have visa and then I’ll be back for my business investments is not a joke that I can stay in Canada
You need to think like a visa officer an look at your profile. It appears as though you may be in real estate since there is no mention of a salaried job tying you to Pakistan or Dubai and no job for your spouse. You don’t appear to have strong ties that would requires you to return to Pakistan or UAE. It is always harder to get a temporary visa/permit when living in a 3rd country. You and your wife’s ties to Pakistan are truly what IRCC evaluates. It is not uncommon for people living in Gulf counties where there is no path to citizenship to look to secure status in a country like Canada because people don’t want to return to places like Pakistan on a permanent basis and want the security of other options if they can’t remain in places like UAE. Your wife does not appear to have much of an international travel history especially places like UK, US, Australia, etc. Your history is not relevant for her application. The fact that you are applying for a visa for a newborn and a relatively new marriage where you have been living apart for around half of your marriage raises concerns about your intentions. The biggest issue is likely the fact that you and your wife do not live together full-time and she doesn’t live in a permanent location. She spends 6 months each year living in Pakistan. I assume this was likely an arranged marriage so you don’t have a significant relationship history before marriage and have only a short relationship in person relationship history after marriage. You have the right to apply for reconsideration and it is impossible to guess whether your spouse and daughter will be approved but I would personally suggest that your wife start traveling closer to home first and build her travel history before attempting to travel to Canada. Canada does not makes sense as a destination for someone without a lot of international travel experience when living in the UAE or Pakistan unless there is a specific reason for travel like family living in Canada. Most would not travel so far away with such a small baby unless there was a good reason like family.
 
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Just to pitch in my two-cents... You must also look at it from a "western culture" POV. In Asia mostly (from Mid East to South to Far East), we still consider extended families as immediate families. But in western culture, as soon as an individual of legal age marries, the "family" definition is now spouse and/or children. It is also common all throughout Asia to make the wives stay home as it is the primary responsibility of the husband to provide for the family. This is not the case in western culture, where women are no longer treated as the "weaker" sex that must only be relegated to the kitchen. Very common in Canada to see women with a career of their own and not dependent on their husbands (even if the husband is earning more than enough for the family). Women are not properties that must be prevented from pursuing their own career simply because the husband is doing well enough.

We may not like it, because of the culture we grew up with, but as they say "when in Rome, do what the Romans do."

Just my two-cents.
Come up to the solution man ))
 

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The replies here are something else...

You are the family tie of your wife. It. Surprises me that no one mentions it. You have sufficient strong ties outside of Canada and non here from what I understood.

As you mentioned, there are a lot of automation in decisions made, especially for visitor visa. When I was researching about it, found back then that about 25% of applications were processed with the aid of AI. Even I made an application for my in-laws when I was in Dubai, we had strong ties and they refused saying that I had two children and not enough funds. I ordered the notes and read that in it (that wasn't written in the refusal letter). Come to find out that for the financial proof they checked only a specific month amount and not the total amount as written in the letter and could be seen in the last month statement. I didn't have two kids when I made the application. The notes were showing inconsistency. I wanted to apply for reconsideration but idk why I didn't back then.

Don't listen to the replies here. Seriously telling people go visit another country is rich of a comment. I came back two years ago and I'm seeing how Canadians are quick to discriminate against immigrants and foreigners.

Order the notes asap. It takes 30 days to receive. I think reconsideration is best to be done asap after the decision was received. If you think there was an error in law or fact, make a reconsideration. Check in the forum those who did it and had a positive reply. Its cheaper and less complicated for them to do that then to go for judicial review at the federal court. Check the IRPA and IRPR to include relevant sections in your letter.
 

canuck78

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The replies here are something else...

You are the family tie of your wife. It. Surprises me that no one mentions it. You have sufficient strong ties outside of Canada and non here from what I understood.

As you mentioned, there are a lot of automation in decisions made, especially for visitor visa. When I was researching about it, found back then that about 25% of applications were processed with the aid of AI. Even I made an application for my in-laws when I was in Dubai, we had strong ties and they refused saying that I had two children and not enough funds. I ordered the notes and read that in it (that wasn't written in the refusal letter). Come to find out that for the financial proof they checked only a specific month amount and not the total amount as written in the letter and could be seen in the last month statement. I didn't have two kids when I made the application. The notes were showing inconsistency. I wanted to apply for reconsideration but idk why I didn't back then.

Don't listen to the replies here. Seriously telling people go visit another country is rich of a comment. I came back two years ago and I'm seeing how Canadians are quick to discriminate against immigrants and foreigners.

Order the notes asap. It takes 30 days to receive. I think reconsideration is best to be done asap after the decision was received. If you think there was an error in law or fact, make a reconsideration. Check in the forum those who did it and had a positive reply. Its cheaper and less complicated for them to do that then to go for judicial review at the federal court. Check the IRPA and IRPR to include relevant sections in your letter.
The husband isn’t a strong tie to their home country because he doesn’t live in his home country and they live apart 6 months out of the year. They also have only been married for around a year. If they are visiting for tourism there isn’t a huge need to travel to Canada in the near future so suggesting that they wife build up her international travel experience before applying for a TRV makes sense. Doesn’t sound like the wife has travel internationally expect UAE which accepts almost everyone so that won’t count as a good international travel history. In general it makes no sense to travel to Canada from UAE for less than 2 weeks especially with a baby unless for family reasons.
 

sendtomaddy

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Hello,
I have US and Canada both visitor visas which I obtain before marriage. Now I am married and apply for my wife and daughter Canada tourist visa but in 2 days they refused visa under 179B , ties of family to home country , and purpose of travel to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay…

I am well establish in Dubai and never ever my wife refused. This is first time I apply for my wife and her visa refused

I attach strong bank statement one from my account and one my wife account and attach letter that she depend on me because she is house wife not working.

Family ties in form I mention of her brother and sister and parents who all in Pakistan

Purpose of travel also was very clear we were going for 11 days trip only

My wife is not working she is house so she is dependent on me , my stability is her so I have property in Dubai , back in Pakistan and monthly I gain a very good income which was clearly in bank statements

I am not happy with the decision someone told me raise a webform and request for Reconsideration because the decision of refusal is just in 2 days may be the software auto refused my application because in application form my wife I mention house wife so no job experience mention etc and dependent on me so might be auto refusal.

kindly advise should I draft reconsideration request , for family ties I can get report from
Immigration that my wife is staying 6 month with me in Dubai and 6 month with my mother in Pakistan this is enough ties for family as I don’t have father only mother

waiting for sincere advise
Hi,
I have CA visa, traveled to US, CA, EU, AUS and other countries couple.of times.
But my wife's and son's CA visa refused with same stereo type reasons.
You may apply for GCMS notes, take out exact reason for rejection then reapply
Your travel history and status matters
Infact Canada Immigration looks for your ties outside country, which you have in Dubai, and at times Canada take it on negative side

I have taken GCMS notes of my wife's application and reapplied in Jan 2024, and recently they both have got CA visa approved.
 

Hamid88

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Hi,
I have CA visa, traveled to US, CA, EU, AUS and other countries couple.of times.
But my wife's and son's CA visa refused with same stereo type reasons.
You may apply for GCMS notes, take out exact reason for rejection then reapply
Your travel history and status matters
Infact Canada Immigration looks for your ties outside country, which you have in Dubai, and at times Canada take it on negative side

I have taken GCMS notes of my wife's application and reapplied in Jan 2024, and recently they both have got CA visa approved.
What is GCMS notes kindly explain as I am
New to all this and your response is very proportionate because u passes from this stage , mostly here everyone is not understanding my case they just assuming that wife ties is husband and if husband has visa then her ties is weak. Should I attach FRC of my wife family and my family with her reconsideration or no need of this one
 

Hamid88

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The replies here are something else...

You are the family tie of your wife. It. Surprises me that no one mentions it. You have sufficient strong ties outside of Canada and non here from what I understood.

As you mentioned, there are a lot of automation in decisions made, especially for visitor visa. When I was researching about it, found back then that about 25% of applications were processed with the aid of AI. Even I made an application for my in-laws when I was in Dubai, we had strong ties and they refused saying that I had two children and not enough funds. I ordered the notes and read that in it (that wasn't written in the refusal letter). Come to find out that for the financial proof they checked only a specific month amount and not the total amount as written in the letter and could be seen in the last month statement. I didn't have two kids when I made the application. The notes were showing inconsistency. I wanted to apply for reconsideration but idk why I didn't back then.

Don't listen to the replies here. Seriously telling people go visit another country is rich of a comment. I came back two years ago and I'm seeing how Canadians are quick to discriminate against immigrants and foreigners.

Order the notes asap. It takes 30 days to receive. I think reconsideration is best to be done asap after the decision was received. If you think there was an error in law or fact, make a reconsideration. Check in the forum those who did it and had a positive reply. Its cheaper and less complicated for them to do that then to go for judicial review at the federal court. Check the IRPA and IRPR to include relevant sections in your letter.
Thanks for writing much appreciated it’s in line to my case and very clear explanation thank you , others are just telling stories they are not coming up with solutions , I have travel to all Europe and Uk multiple and multiple times that time I was unmarried and still I hold all valid visas of Uk US and Canada so now im
Married and have one daughter so how it’s possibile that now I am family man and I can travel alone to Canada because I can’t travel to Canada with wife because she don’t have strong ties ))) I’m 100% our application refused by chenook because I am holding a very strong profile and the people are saying they are living in Dubai so I had invested a huge amount in real estate and many Canadian lived already in my property I can show them tenancy agreements it is enough ties ))))
 

Hamid88

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The husband isn’t a strong tie to their home country because he doesn’t live in his home country and they live apart 6 months out of the year. They also have only been married for around a year. If they are visiting for tourism there isn’t a huge need to travel to Canada in the near future so suggesting that they wife build up her international travel experience before applying for a TRV makes sense. Doesn’t sound like the wife has travel internationally expect UAE which accepts almost everyone so that won’t count as a good international travel history. In general it makes no sense to travel to Canada from UAE for less than 2 weeks especially with a baby unless for family reasons.
Man I live in Dubai and my wife live 6 month me and 6 month back in pak because I have my mother and she has to pass some time with her , I have new born baby my family miss the kid as well , I have inheritance and many things back in pak and in Dubai . Trust me when I was applying for the first time my own visa for Europe that time I had only one Dubai visa and they granted me visa. Travel hisbtory or husband ties bla bla might b a case in weaker profile , I’m telling u i am holding strong profile and if reconsideration they just look for my wife profile they will for sure approve visa
 

rcincanada2019

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Man I live in Dubai and my wife live 6 month me and 6 month back in pak because I have my mother and she has to pass some time with her , I have new born baby my family miss the kid as well , I have inheritance and many things back in pak and in Dubai . Trust me when I was applying for the first time my own visa for Europe that time I had only one Dubai visa and they granted me visa. Travel hisbtory or husband ties bla bla might b a case in weaker profile , I’m telling u i am holding strong profile and if reconsideration they just look for my wife profile they will for sure approve visa
Would suggest you hire an immigration lawyer. While this forum is owned by Cohen Immigration Law (their contact is at the top left of the page), the members are volunteers and neither immigration consultants nor lawyers. This is still a volunteer forum.
 

sendtomaddy

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What is GCMS notes kindly explain as I am
New to all this and your response is very proportionate because u passes from this stage , mostly here everyone is not understanding my case they just assuming that wife ties is husband and if husband has visa then her ties is weak. Should I attach FRC of my wife family and my family with her reconsideration or no need of this one
Visit https://caipsnotesindia.com/ as I have taken GCMS note of my wife's previous visa application decision
GCMS will provide you each and every point in brief by immigration officer for rejection of visa and their views, after that plan to reapply
 

mj_pinay

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Well, that's standard. Almost all denied feel injustice, in some cases properly so.

I'll admit I have a hard time seeing much injustice in your case so far. I feel far more entitled to wallow in that feeling. I am a Canadian citizen. A professional. Pay very substantial taxes to various levels of government in Canada and have for years. We tried 3 times to get a TRV for my wife. It became clear she would never be allowed in unless we got married and I sponsored her. All so she could come here and have a look and see if she might have any interest in living here. We might well still go back to live in her country, where I lived for a few years in the past. So, not only denied TRVs 3 times in 3 years, but forced to go the whole PR route, with attendant time and expense, to accomplish what we feel should have been easy at the outset.
Hello,
I wanted to ask if my assumptions are right that your wife was refused the TRV 3 times while she was still your girlfriend and she is from the PH (I assumed because of your Kaibigan username)? My boyfriend of 2 years is a Canadian and we were hoping that I could come visit him for a few months to see how I would like it there as he had visited me 3 times. I have applied for a Visit visa, had biometrics 2 days after submitting and denied after 2 working days. After reading your comment, I am afraid we are going the same path. Except that I do not want to impose on my boyfriend to marry me just so I could check Canada (which is totally absurd). Please enlighten me on your experience because right now, a day after the refusal letter arrived, we are still confused on what to do next.
 

rcincanada2019

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AOR Received.
03-11-2022
Hello,
I wanted to ask if my assumptions are right that your wife was refused the TRV 3 times while she was still your girlfriend and she is from the PH (I assumed because of your Kaibigan username)? My boyfriend of 2 years is a Canadian and we were hoping that I could come visit him for a few months to see how I would like it there as he had visited me 3 times. I have applied for a Visit visa, had biometrics 2 days after submitting and denied after 2 working days. After reading your comment, I am afraid we are going the same path. Except that I do not want to impose on my boyfriend to marry me just so I could check Canada (which is totally absurd). Please enlighten me on your experience because right now, a day after the refusal letter arrived, we are still confused on what to do next.
First step is to order gcms notes to know the exact reason for refusal. Eto po ang link:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/access-information-privacy/requests-information-act.html

The notes contain why the application is refused. From there, you can address the reason in your next application.

Good luck!
 

Kaibigan

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Hello,
I wanted to ask if my assumptions are right that your wife was refused the TRV 3 times while she was still your girlfriend and she is from the PH (I assumed because of your Kaibigan username)? My boyfriend of 2 years is a Canadian and we were hoping that I could come visit him for a few months to see how I would like it there as he had visited me 3 times. I have applied for a Visit visa, had biometrics 2 days after submitting and denied after 2 working days. After reading your comment, I am afraid we are going the same path. Except that I do not want to impose on my boyfriend to marry me just so I could check Canada (which is totally absurd). Please enlighten me on your experience because right now, a day after the refusal letter arrived, we are still confused on what to do next.
Your assumptions are partly correct.

My (now) wife was my gf at the time of our first application in January 2020. It was denied in February 2020, just before Covid descended on the planet. So, that time, even if approved, she probably would not have been allowed to come to Canada anyway.

Our second attempt was in early 2022. On that occasion, the Phils had just re-opened to tourists after a 2-year closure. Tourists were allowed in starting February 10 and I arrived there February 18. We had planned to get married in April 2022, which we did. PR processing times then stood at about 22 months. So, in March 2022, we again applied for TRV, telling of our pending marriage. By that time, the IRCC knew we were bf/gf, so we expected to be denied on that ground, but we thought that saying we were about to be married might help. Nope. Denied again in July 2022.

So, we were married in April 2022 and embarked on the tiresome sponsorship/PR application process, with its long waiting period. Getting our ducks in a row to file took time...things such as waiting for PSA marriage certificate, etc. My wife had been an OFW in the UAE and we ended up going there to chase a police clearance certificate. She also worked in Hong Kong and getting the HK PCC was less challenging.

We finally got her PR application filed in November 2022, one week after arriving back in the RP from Dubai. Processing then was showing at about 18 months. We received AOR in February 2023, I was approved as sponsor, and my wife had her medical exam in Manila in March and passed. So, we got to thinking that her PR application is now past its infancy and looks real, so maybe we have a chance for a TRV, given that it should be plain that in the fullness of time my wife would get her PR. Wrong-O! Denied in 2 days! By that time, I suppose, our file had been placed on auto-deny, with the IRCC poised to write to us saying "Just what part of NO do you not understand?....makolit ka, talaga!"

I am wholly unfamiliar with your circumstances and those of your bf, so I cannot say whether you have a fair chance to mount a renewed TRV application and succeed. I would not, however, feel optimistic. In your original TRV application, did you disclose that you are bf and gf? If that cat is out of the bag, the general opinion on this forum is that your chances are much diminished. You might just have to bite the bullet, get married, and apply for PR in order to have a peek at life in Canada. Probably no other way. I went to the Phils in November 2023 after my wife's PR was approved and we came to Canada one month later. Not what I had planned, arriving in winter. I offered my wife that we could stay in the PI until, say, March when her medical expired. She did not want to wait, afraid perhaps that the IRCC might change its mind.

We'll see how it goes. If, at any point, she has had enough of Canada, we'll go back. I lived in the Phils before and can happily do so again. It's really up to her where we end up living. Maybe we'll do part of each year in each country. I am open to anything. One should not marry a Filipina, assuming she will be content to live in your country. If one does not know that for sure, then one should be prepared to live there. Otherwise, don't get involved.
 
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Kaibigan

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First step is to order gcms notes to know the exact reason for refusal. Eto po ang link:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/access-information-privacy/requests-information-act.html

The notes contain why the application is refused. From there, you can address the reason in your next application.

Good luck!
I feel constrained to sound a note of caution here.

@mj_pinay, I know I am swimming upstream when I say do not expect that all will be revealed in the GCMS notes, as also suggested by @sendtomaddy. I'll take it they are drawing on favourable personal experience. They are not alone. Many here urge getting the notes, as a cornucopia of fresh information and insights not found in the standard, boilerplate, deny letters. But, if you read and research carefully on the forum, you will find many relating how the notes added absolutely nothing.

I am in the "it was a waste of time" camp. After my wife's first TRV refusal, we ordered the notes. To my eye, they added not a scintilla of insight as to the thinking underpinning the decision. Although a lawyer myself, I am not an immigration lawyer and I thought that maybe it takes a specialist in immigration law to bring the lamp of scrutiny to an otherwise dark place. After all, the notes ran to more than 40 pages and I thought that maybe much is in code that ordinary folks like me cannot interpret. In short, the truth is there, but you need the knowledge, training and experience to see it. So I paid a bona fide immigration attorney $500 to review the notes. She found nothing not in the form letter we received. Sayang!

So, by all means, order the notes. Costs almost nothing and waiting time is not all that much. Just don't expect much. But then you might get lucky and find that some VO has set out a treatise on the thinking and rationale behind the decision and maybe will set out detailed suggestions on what's needed to punt a renewed application through the goalposts.
 
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