My two cents on new immigration rules this fall

[anarsoul]

I can understand the quota system where they want to limit the intake of PR's.

There has to be a balance on everything.

I didn't get your point here. They already have a quota. Point-based system is the way to take only those who they think are the best to fill the quota and avoid forming a backlog.
They won't drop point-based system, since there're too many people who meet CEC criteria. They cannot take everyone.

 

[dbss]

I didn't get your point here. They already have a quota. Point-based system is the way to take only those who they think are the best to fill the quota and avoid forming a backlog.
They won't drop point-based system, since there're too many people who meet CEC criteria. They cannot take everyone.

I was referring to the quota applied to the intake on number of applications that would be taken. I believe that will be better. It is not the best but better than EE right now.

 

[OMG_Chakromakro]

Dude im an internaltional student just like thousands of other students here and so far i feel like im getting bonned.(pardon my french)

 

[JALT]

People who come young assimilate better into the Canadian society which becomes harder as you age.

Perhaps generally, but not in all cases. I'm 40 yrs old doing a PhD. I've been asked by my department colleagues in their late teens/early 20's 'how is it that I know so many Canadian locals, when they started their PhDs before me and don't really know anybody outside of the University?'. It's because I had the life experience and confidence to go out and get involved with normal Canadian life. I've lived with Canadian non-students since I arrived 2 yrs ago, it's a criteria I had when I went looking for accommodation. Now I have a network of Canadian non-student friends across the city because of taking that approach, and I also work at the local ski hill 2 hrs out of town. The younger international students in my department only ever do things as a group, and only ever have social nights and get-together's with each other.

So I think it's very person specific.

 

[dan28analyst]

Lol, don't get offended. Tricky part about US is H1B. They are conducting lotteries so mine wasn't picked twice. It's up to luck now in US. So I am thinking from a long term perspective, Canada is a beautiful country and deserves best talent, that's all bud!!

I'm betting on the same due to the same reason, H1b wasn't picked twice in a row and had an issue before that, so three times.

 

[anarsoul]

I was referring to the quota applied to the intake on number of applications that would be taken. I believe that will be better. It is not the best but better than EE right now.

So you prefer it to be a lottery like in USA?

 

[ButterflyChemist]

My two cents:

Express Entry is flawed in terms of 600 points. You can have an LMIA and score very low on language tests, be very old and a whole lot of other factors and still get PR.

PR for international students should be the way it was before EE like in CEC. Just graduating from a school does not entitle you to PR. Getting a skilled job does and you work for one year which was CEC.

They are two different categories and should be treated accordingly which is why we had FSW and CEC previously.

Currently, people who came to Canada after 12th grade with two/three/four year diploma/degree cannot get selected in EE unless you know both English and French to the highest level and prove it in your scores. To me that is the biggest flaw. People who come young assimilate better into the Canadian society which becomes harder as you age.

Someone is going to say go to PNP --> have you reviewed the PNP laws and the cut throat competition? Also not all provinces have jobs related to your field. So at that time you either get rid of all your education and move out of province or get out of Canada. Hard choice to make.

Someone is going to say get LMIA --> Getting a job without experience is already hard enough leave alone the employer filing an LMIA for you when you are international. There is a job and you have the job does not mean there is no one else to do it. How do you even justify it? We need people who we can train.

I am biased towards my opinions due to various reasons but it does not mean they are not correct.

Everyone has to meet the same language requirements. A LMIA does not change your language requirements so that point is moot. The 600 points is allotted because either a province has either decided they need you or the labour market needs you which is what a LMIA says. You are absolutely right that it is difficult to get a LMIA and it has nothing to do with a worker it has to do with whether or not there is talent available to do the job and whether or not sufficient attempts was made to hire a PR or Canadian citizen. After a company is given a LMIA and hires a foreign worker, the worker has to apply for a work permit and prove through that process that they have the skills, training, experience etc necessary for the job. Why would you want to deny someone like that access to Canadian PR? Wanting PR for one category of people does not mean you should seek to undermine another category. No system can please everyone or meet everyone needs. The best one can hope for is that everyone more or less has the same chance and opportunity for success.

 

[dbss]

So you prefer it to be a lottery like in USA?

No, I meant a cap on the number of applications.

 

[dbss]

Everyone has to meet the same language requirements. A LMIA does not change your language requirements so that point is moot. The 600 points is allotted because either a province has either decided they need you or the labour market needs you which is what a LMIA says. You are absolutely right that it is difficult to get a LMIA and it has nothing to do with a worker it has to do with whether or not there is talent available to do the job and whether or not sufficient attempts was made to hire a PR or Canadian citizen. After a company is given a LMIA and hires a foreign worker, the worker has to apply for a work permit and prove through that process that they have the skills, training, experience etc necessary for the job. Why would you want to deny someone like that access to Canadian PR? Wanting PR for one category of people does not mean you should seek to undermine another category. No system can please everyone or meet everyone needs. The best one can hope for is that everyone more or less has the same chance and opportunity for success.

No they don't. Initially I thought you may be right because it used to be that way but I went to the online CRS calculator to calculate my points with 4.5 in IELTS + 45 years of age and the corresponding CRS score is 810. I have nothing against the age as I believe everyone should have fair chance.

I think you got my idea wrong or I did not explain it well enough. I am not against LMIA hiring or undermining one group and supporting the other. LMIA does bring in a talented workforce. I am saying the the 600 points given for LMIA (&PNP for that matter) are flawed. Think about a person who does not have an LMIA and one who does. The one who has the best IELTS score but with one-two year work experience, their score is nowhere going to be near the one who has LMIA but low IELTS & high age (if it matters). For example; If an LMIA is being issued, it means that the talent is not available in Canada. I personally find it hard it believe for most jobs.

I am saying that in my opinion, this is not a level playing field. It's like pitting small kids with the big kids. Some small kids will emerge victorious but majority is going to fail because they do not have the advantage but does not mean they are not qualified enough.

Again my two cents.

 

[dbss]

Perhaps generally, but not in all cases. I'm 40 yrs old doing a PhD. I've been asked by my department colleagues in their late teens/early 20's 'how is it that I know so many Canadian locals, when they started their PhDs before me and don't really know anybody outside of the University?'. It's because I had the life experience and confidence to go out and get involved with normal Canadian life. I've lived with Canadian non-students since I arrived 2 yrs ago, it's a criteria I had when I went looking for accommodation. Now I have a network of Canadian non-student friends across the city because of taking that approach, and I also work at the local ski hill 2 hrs out of town. The younger international students in my department only ever do things as a group, and only ever have social nights and get-together's with each other.

So I think it's very person specific.

I am happy to know that you have gotten along well but that is not always the case. We are going to find exceptions on both sides of the spectrum.

 

[Sunny_ist]

Finding a job in the US in STEM fields is not that hard. I graduated from a Canadian university in Engineering. My first couple of interviews were for US-based positions. It's a lot easier finding the same job in the US than it is in Canada. Please don't make assumptions based on experiences that are not your own.

First thing, yes there are plenty of jobs.

Second, I am from India and India sends a lot of software engineers to US, sometimes they even ask you in interviews that would you be able to perform your duties from client base? but that does not mean anything. You are an employee of Indian organization and Americans don't care where you work from but when it comes to taking a sponsorship from an American firm, that is not easy. You have to prove why they should sponsor you and only if, they feel your worth is more than an American who does not need any visa, then they hire you. Try telling em you need H1B sponsorship, they won't respond back and this is general case, exceptions are there though.

 

[anarsoul]

No, I meant a cap on the number of applications.

But number of applicants is a lot higher than a cap. In USA there's a lottery even for H1B, do you want the same scheme in Canada? Or first come first serve?
Don't you think that it's not fair?

 

[dbss]

But number of applicants is a lot higher than a cap. In USA there's a lottery even for H1B, do you want the same scheme in Canada? Or first come first serve?
Don't you think that it's not fair?

The number of applicants is going to be higher if it is a lottery or FCFS.

I personally favour FCFS.

 

[LokiJr01]

It's funny how so much hate is thrown at the Canadian government for the 'unfair' system, when we should also turn to our respective countries of residences.

If our countries of origin were not as ****** as they are now, very few would even consider migrating.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

It's funny how so much hate is thrown at the Canadian government for the 'unfair' system, when we should also turn to our respective countries of residences.

If our countries of origin were not as ****** as they are now, very few would even consider migrating.

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