My two cents on new immigration rules this fall

[JALT]

I've posted somewhere in the forums before that International Students should have a different visa route from the standard FSW. Reason for this is because you can't accurately compare a foreign skilled worker from an international student.

If CIC will be smart about it, they should form a different bridging visa for international students - with their own set of requirements and their own set of quotas. That ensures that they get the best of the international students for Canada. Screening should be based on language proficiency, age, previous work experience, grades of the student, and the relevance of the course finished to the economy....

That's kind of like the idea BCPNP has. You are placed in their own student EE pool with points based on your criteria. They only send out invites to the top scorers. Your idea is good, I think the level and length of the course should be considered as well (bachelors, masters, PhD etc), but the relevance of the course to the economy is spot on!

 

[Sunny_ist]

I've posted somewhere in the forums before that International Students should have a different visa route from the standard FSW. Reason for this is because you can't accurately compare a foreign skilled worker from an international student.

If CIC will be smart about it, they should form a different bridging visa for international students - with their own set of requirements and their own set of quotas. That ensures that they get the best of the international students for Canada. Screening should be based on language proficiency, age, previous work experience, grades of the student, and the relevance of the course finished to the economy....

Can't agree more brother. That ll be my call too.

 

[eski]

I just think it's funny how people outside Canada think it's easy to get Canadian jobs once in Canada.
They are in for a shocker.

 

[Bs65]

I just think it's funny how people outside Canada think it's easy to get Canadian jobs once in Canada.
They are in for a shocker.

I am afraid this is a common misconception with many countries that have big immigration programs in addition to Canada such as Australia/ NZ.

They all have skill categories and push these as though there are plenty of positions available but we all know reality is different when people land and then the problems start along lines of being entitled to what immigration promised them.

Having said that Canada still has one of the more generous student programs going, just needs to reset the expectations post graduation that not everybody will be able to stay on. After all when applying for a study permit is it not issued on expectation the applicant will return to their home country better educated and prepared for a career at home . Ah i forgot many students only have PR in their entitled sights.

 

[Sluffy]

International students would be the most beneficial for Canada in terms of economic gain, over foreign skilled workers. International students have been living in the country for years, they know the country, the language, the people and the law. Of course, they would be a much better fit than a foreign skilled worker who has never been to Canada. In terms of adaptability, they are the most fit.

It all depends on Canadian government if they wanna keep the young resource in their country, when they already educate them like Canadian citizens.

Well, the Candian government themselves say that there's no sufficient evidence that canadian graduates will bring more economic benefits than international graduates (see end-year EE report, para International students).
I agree that in first 2-3 years adaptation can be more difficult for outland applicants, BUT in the long-term prospects, for example, in 10 years, there will be no much difference between intl student or outland applicant.

 

[betty44]

what s really sad is that these new immigration rules are going to be anounced this fall byt the wont be implemented untill january 1st.
what do you think? you think new rules will be implemented right away?

 

[Encore]

Well, been to US. Secured a job twice in renowned multinationals. Canadian govt has allowed almost everyone to reach Canada on student visa, I know it from experience; bright people also go there,
no doubt. I m wondering if Canadian government is going to keep some sort of check on who stays and who leaves. Otherwise, it may cause chaos.

Please do not say what you do not know.
Canadian schools are some of the most difficult to get into. Getting admitted to schools in Canada is no joke. Their visa process is also very difficult, not like in the U.S case where you appear before an officer and they judge you based on what they can see. In CAnada, its about what your documents are saying about you and you are never there when your case is being judged. Pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeee...... Do not continue on this narrative. It is very very very wrong.
That you got a job in U.S does not mean you will get the same job in Canada. Come to Canada and you will see how getting a good job can be easy or difficult. The U.S and Canada share borders but are very different places. So, dont judge Canada with U.S satndards.
It is not easy to get a good professional job here. Simple and short. They value education, but they value "direct" experience. Most International students struggle due to lack of direct experience. So, please, dont get people worked by saying incorrect things.

 

[bestofluck]

I just think it's funny how people outside Canada think it's easy to get Canadian jobs once in Canada.
They are in for a shocker.

No that's not the case.

They become sure to survive even without job in CANADA. Social security, medical, Education benefits......attracts people. A person without a job in CANADA is safer than a person with a job in some countries. They are sure if there is no job they will work in a store or hotel, but they will be happier than what they are with a proper but insecured job in their country.

And yes its easy to laugh at others sitting in CANADA and find others funny.

 

[dbss]

My two cents:

Express Entry is flawed in terms of 600 points. You can have an LMIA and score very low on language tests, be very old and a whole lot of other factors and still get PR.

PR for international students should be the way it was before EE like in CEC. Just graduating from a school does not entitle you to PR. Getting a skilled job does and you work for one year which was CEC.

They are two different categories and should be treated accordingly which is why we had FSW and CEC previously.

Currently, people who came to Canada after 12th grade with two/three/four year diploma/degree cannot get selected in EE unless you know both English and French to the highest level and prove it in your scores. To me that is the biggest flaw. People who come young assimilate better into the Canadian society which becomes harder as you age.

Someone is going to say go to PNP --> have you reviewed the PNP laws and the cut throat competition? Also not all provinces have jobs related to your field. So at that time you either get rid of all your education and move out of province or get out of Canada. Hard choice to make.

Someone is going to say get LMIA --> Getting a job without experience is already hard enough leave alone the employer filing an LMIA for you when you are international. There is a job and you have the job does not mean there is no one else to do it. How do you even justify it? We need people who we can train.

I am biased towards my opinions due to various reasons but it does not mean they are not correct.

 

[Alexios07]

My two cents:

Express Entry is flawed in terms of 600 points. You can have an LMIA and score very low on language tests, be very old and a whole lot of other factors and still get PR.

PR for international students should be the way it was before EE like in CEC. Just graduating from a school does not entitle you to PR. Getting a skilled job does and you work for one year which was CEC.

They are two different categories and should be treated accordingly which is why we had FSW and CEC previously.

Currently, people who came to Canada after 12th grade with two/three/four year diploma/degree cannot get selected in EE unless you know both English and French to the highest level and prove it in your scores. To me that is the biggest flaw. People who come young assimilate better into the Canadian society which becomes harder as you age.

Someone is going to say go to PNP --> have you reviewed the PNP laws and the cut throat competition? Also not all provinces have jobs related to your field. So at that time you either get rid of all your education and move out of province or get out of Canada. Hard choice to make.

Someone is going to say get LMIA --> Getting a job without experience is already hard enough leave alone the employer filing an LMIA for you when you are international. There is a job and you have the job does not mean there is no one else to do it. How do you even justify it? We need people who we can train.

I am biased towards my opinions due to various reasons but it does not mean they are not correct.

I totally agree. Like I said multiple times, right now the best system for immigration is the EE BC PNP. It's a point based system, but also have different streams with different cut-off points for different types of applicants.
Put all the LMIA people in a separate stream as well. That way, you can pick the best candidates according to Canada's needs without having any of them compete with each other.

 

[anarsoul]

PR for international students should be the way it was before EE like in CEC. Just graduating from a school does not entitle you to PR. Getting a skilled job does and you work for one year which was CEC.

It won't work that way. Too many international students, quota is much lower.

 

[eggsterminate]

Well, been to US. Secured a job twice in renowned multinationals. Canadian govt has allowed almost everyone to reach Canada on student visa, I know it from experience; bright people also go there,
no doubt. I m wondering if Canadian government is going to keep some sort of check on who stays and who leaves. Otherwise, it may cause chaos.

Finding a job in the US in STEM fields is not that hard. I graduated from a Canadian university in Engineering. My first couple of interviews were for US-based positions. It's a lot easier finding the same job in the US than it is in Canada. Please don't make assumptions based on experiences that are not your own.

 

[mead]

It won't work that way. Too many international students, quota is much lower.

agreed but we can dream right.

 

[mead]

Finding a job in the US in STEM fields is not that hard. I graduated from a Canadian university in Engineering. My first couple of interviews were for US-based positions. It's a lot easier finding the same job in the US than it is in Canada. Please don't make assumptions based on experiences that are not your own.

US job search is way easier and too many options.

 

[dbss]

It won't work that way. Too many international students, quota is much lower.

I can understand the quota system where they want to limit the intake of PR's.

There has to be a balance on everything.