My opinion

[srid_a]

yep you right i have other better things to do... discussing on future possibilities which have not been even implemented is a waste of time....no more comments....

+1 to you for ending the discussion between us.

These suggestions are just Brainstorming,
Brainstorming is a popular tool that helps you generate creative solutions to a problem.This is the most commonly used tool by developed countries to solve a problem. Mr Kenny is using this tool successfully , a number of stakeholders will appear and give reasonable solutions before implementations.

The potential immigrants have no voice. I am not complaining because that is the way it should be.. Using little bit of logic to figure out how to manage the immigration queues is all I am asking for. It doesn't require a rocket scientist to solve the problem.

Every time the minister comes up with some MI-X list, he knows how many skilled employees the country needs. He can take that many and start new MI-X. Why let the queue build up? He was actually blaming his predecessors some time ago about letting the queues buildup.

How about Doctors? What is he going to do about all those smart people coming into the country and not finding the right work? Why is he not working on helping them to find a job quickly? Why are so many doctors driving cabs, and why Canada wants to bring in more doctors?

Too much reliance on numbers, and missing common sense is all I see here.
This is also my last post on this.

 

[mitali]

This is also my last post on this. This was not the intention of this thread

I can understand the pain you feel, esp because we are helpless.

I completely agree with your statement " Using little bit of logic to figure out how to manage the immigration queues is all I am asking for. It doesn't require a rocket scientist to solve the problem."

Each year new NOCs/rules are either created or removed without even giving a chance to the applicants/immigrants to settle down in Canada and effectively contribute to its economy. One year is too short a time to make any constructive conclusions regarding what the next year's "Demand professions" would be. There are some skills that are effective only in the "LONG TERM" and some that are in "SHORT TERM"....it is extremely difficult to to weigh them in the same pan.

With my understanding, I feel that Canada should have closed the doors to new immigrants long time back when the backlog was piling up. As for now, again, I feel Canada should close doors to Immigrations and deal with the backlog that has been created with the MI lists instead of suggesting proposals that is not only unjustified but also unethical. The mere suggestion of the Proposals has created such an uproar; I cannot imagine what effect it might have when implemented.

What can I do? I do not know if my voice would be heard, the least I can do is to send an email to Minister J Kenny's office, which I plan to do very soon.

Mitali

 

[regnard]

I can understand the pain you feel, esp because we are helpless.

I completely agree with your statement " Using little bit of logic to figure out how to manage the immigration queues is all I am asking for. It doesn't require a rocket scientist to solve the problem."

Each year new NOCs/rules are either created or removed without even giving a chance to the applicants/immigrants to settle down in Canada and effectively contribute to its economy. One year is too short a time to make any constructive conclusions regarding what the next year's "Demand professions" would be. There are some skills that are effective only in the "LONG TERM" and some that are in "SHORT TERM"....it is extremely difficult to to weigh them in the same pan.

With my understanding, I feel that Canada should have closed the doors to new immigrants long time back when the backlog was piling up. As for now, again, I feel Canada should close doors to Immigrations and deal with the backlog that has been created with the MI lists instead of suggesting proposals that is not only unjustified but also unethical. The mere suggestion of the Proposals has created such an uproar; I cannot imagine what effect it might have when implemented.

What can I do? I do not know if my voice would be heard, the least I can do is to send an email to Minister J Kenny's office, which I plan to do very soon.

Mitali

From what I've been reading in Canadian media, this move is supposed to address the industries that need people (oil, especially) and this is obviously for Canada's benefit.

I think one person said it right: it's like applying for a job-- if the applicant gets rejected mid-way through the process, the company doesn't owe the applicant anything. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but that's the reality of the matter.

 

[nano24482]

Companies do have rules on interviewing candidates.
You cannot ask ethnicity related questions, cannot ask female interviewee about her pregnancy plans etc.

One dosen't pay 550$ for applicaiton for a job, nor shows savings.
Nor does it require 2 to 3 years to process.
Outcome is decided in matter of days.

From what I've been reading in Canadian media, this move is supposed to address the industries that need people (oil, especially) and this is obviously for Canada's benefit.

I think one person said it right: it's like applying for a job-- if the applicant gets rejected mid-way through the process, the company doesn't owe the applicant anything. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but that's the reality of the matter.

 

[regnard]

Companies do have rules on interviewing candidates.
You cannot ask ethnicity related questions, cannot ask female interviewee about her pregnancy plans etc.

One dosen't pay 550$ for applicaiton for a job, nor shows savings.
Nor does it require 2 to 3 years to process.
Outcome is decided in matter of days.

You're right: you've outline the main differences between the two. I was focusing on what's similar between them.

That said, given that it takes much longer, the cost of processing an applicant could be much higher. Also, if the applicant gets accepted, he/she and the family get benefits, whereas the country may or may not benefit from who got accepted. In a way, the applicant paid the risk premium.

 

[nano24482]

Thanks for your insight.

I would like to put some points for consideration.
1. The economic conditions of western countries is not very good. Hence the mood is anti immigration at the moment.
2. Conservative govt which is pro-privatization and anti-govt.

The main thing is that the Pre June 2010 backlog is created by this very govt(minister) and hence he cannot wipe us out.
So he is weeding us out

What do you say?

You're right: you've outline the main differences between the two. I was focusing on what's similar between them.

That said, given that it takes much longer, the cost of processing an applicant could be much higher. Also, if the applicant gets accepted, he/she and the family get benefits, whereas the country may or may not benefit from who got accepted. In a way, the applicant paid the risk premium.

 

[azazaz]

Companies do have rules on interviewing candidates.
You cannot ask ethnicity related questions, cannot ask female interviewee about her pregnancy plans etc.

One dosen't pay 550$ for applicaiton for a job, nor shows savings.
Nor does it require 2 to 3 years to process.
Outcome is decided in matter of days.

what some one said to compare it with company was in general that if you need people for some task you will will always go for the best. who would want the tired, old dated people and who doesn't even have the up to date skills.

your comparison of application fees and waiting time is is useless and remember its canada here who has got the choice to select you or reject you because its their country and they have hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to go there so why not pick the best..so unfortunately you have no option but to accept it.

 

[Goodman!!]

what some one said to compare it with company was in general that if you need people for some task you will will always go for the best. who would want the tired, old dated people and who doesn't even know the up to date skills.

your comparison of application fees and waiting time is is useless and remember its canada here who has got the choice to select you or reject you because its their country and they have hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to go there so why not pick the best..so unfortunately you have no option but to accept it.

truth is bitter but you said it man.

 

[slavasz]

... and they have hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to go there so why not pick the best..so unfortunately you have no option but to accept it.

No. Hundreds of thousands are let into Canada every year.
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2012/03/19/canadas-immigration-minister-jason-kenney/
Kenny said "some studies show there are 2,000,000,000 people who expressed willingness to immigrate to Canada, obviously we cannot accommodate even a fraction of those people"
That's right TWO BILLION!!!

 

[cocknbull]

very well analysed....... great post Mitali...+1

 

[Aquib]

I can understand the pain you feel, esp because we are helpless.

I completely agree with your statement " Using little bit of logic to figure out how to manage the immigration queues is all I am asking for. It doesn't require a rocket scientist to solve the problem."

Each year new NOCs/rules are either created or removed without even giving a chance to the applicants/immigrants to settle down in Canada and effectively contribute to its economy. One year is too short a time to make any constructive conclusions regarding what the next year's "Demand professions" would be. There are some skills that are effective only in the "LONG TERM" and some that are in "SHORT TERM"....it is extremely difficult to to weigh them in the same pan.

With my understanding, I feel that Canada should have closed the doors to new immigrants long time back when the backlog was piling up. As for now, again, I feel Canada should close doors to Immigrations and deal with the backlog that has been created with the MI lists instead of suggesting proposals that is not only unjustified but also unethical. The mere suggestion of the Proposals has created such an uproar; I cannot imagine what effect it might have when implemented.

What can I do? I do not know if my voice would be heard, the least I can do is to send an email to Minister J Kenny's office, which I plan to do very soon.

Mitali

Yes i am agree with u .
CIC should finalise only MI plus they should only accept new applicant from pre 2008 feb people if they qualify for new MI 3 ,
Also in PNP they should only accept application from family members of current immigrent and pre feb 08 applicant .

Atleast they can give good life to people who already there , no sense of accepting new application till they able to do something for them and satisfied all previous applicant .

In mean time people can look after Newzeland and Australia .
They are also good places (eveb better weather wise) and life is same for immigrant regardless of Ca, Au, or Nz after he leave there motherland .

No sence of giving false hope to people who waiting to apply for Ca,
For FSW MI 1 they told 8 month and it took approx 3 years to them , for pre 2008 they say 5 year but they getting turn down after 6-7 year wait .

 

[harry_aussie]

I agree to whatever Mitali said... EMOTIONALLY but in real terms i like the views of Slavasz and Azazaz.

 

[229334]

i like mitali very much and her posts are amazing and touches my heart always... :-* :-* :-* :-*

+1 mitali..

 

[Aquib]

i like mitali very much and her posts are amazing and touches my heart always... :-* :-* :-* :-*

+1 mitali..

Where are u brother , in ON or Alb

 

[nano24482]

Yes I agree that we do not have any option except to wait and that Canada can select what it feels is best.

What I meant to say that we cannot compare immigration to a job interview.

what some one said to compare it with company was in general that if you need people for some task you will will always go for the best. who would want the tired, old dated people and who doesn't even have the up to date skills.

your comparison of application fees and waiting time is is useless and remember its canada here who has got the choice to select you or reject you because its their country and they have hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to go there so why not pick the best..so unfortunately you have no option but to accept it.