My expriences so far ... first two days in Toronto!!!

[CharlotteJ]

Well it depends from which angle you want to see.

The wave of anti-immigrant sentiments was hitting Europe last year, not only in Holland, Germany or France but also in Spain. On the other hand we all heard about Quebec's no multi culti propaganda. I don't think that similar incidence of the notorious prohibition of Alberta disco entry to few dark colored guys happens in Europe.

Europe has a huge population and highly qualified or trained manpower. Either its salary or the markets, everything looks like controlled.
Definitely life for the people with immigrant background is not so easy in Europe unless you have good language skill. But the "type of immigrants" in continental Europe is completely different than Canada. Here is also two types of society, categorized based on the education or also to some extent by wealth.

In my view life is slower and easier in continental Europe than in Canada, but there is a limit in most of the Europe for average citizen or immigrants. Basic life is better ensured than anywhere else but people who want to "grow" may find some hurdles.

On the other hand, if you see the websites or even read some news/reports you can easily realize Canada is "Brokers Paradise" as I had mentioned before.

Rest of the world says Globalization and Canada probably thinks foreign experience is useless. It depends on which country is in what status in which field. If their is good demand then people are always welcomed, like the oil workers recruited for Alberta from Gulfs.

I do agree with you with regard to above mentioned. Here, you can continue studying regardless of age and/or previous degree, but very much the opposite across Europe.

We shall not forget one important thing: Here, it is all about "Corporate Environment living" = Corporate Lifestyle that is taking over and replacing the good old fashion and common sense and values of each human being.

What does Corporate living and working aims for? " debt"! how? by creating a harsh competitive fast paced environment so each and everybody who wants to get somewhere, anywhere, has to keep studying and that way gets himself a loan and do what they, the powers to be, want you to do and so to control you.

I dislike this Corporate lifestyle and Corporate work Environment in which sadly Canada is fully integrated to and rather be in a place where at least you know who you are and how you can shape your own life!

I wanted to study here, but now I 've seen that all these studies hardly lead to any better job unless you are lucky or willing to sell your soul to best buyer and for highest price, then you will be fine.

Are you willing to get yourself into deep debt and a lot of study loan and go with the flow, jump on a the real estate bubble, study bubble and alot of other bubble, live to work and spend your dollars in malls and shops to keep the economy rolling for the sake of your own job and to make sure your supervisor make huge profits while hating you or you rather be in a place where nobody is allowed to make more money than the Prime Minister or the King or Queen??!

I choose for Europe.

 

[CharlotteJ]

Dear CJ,

I am from Denmark and want to move in July 2011 before my PR card time is expired with my two innocent childrens, whoes father left them because of his American dream! I was so motivated to read your last 22 posted and by inspired your view. I am like you, careerist, and the same values of life. Last 16 years I am in Denmark, with one Master degree from My Country Asia, as called your 3rd world country. I was offered always cleaning job here, so I took my MBA from Copenhagen at the learn Danish as well as integrated within this culture 99% , modern , personal drive, perfectionist.... bla bla.... to keep my religious and culture within my private life and my mind
I never want to get social help and want to use my qualification, hard work as well as earn money for my life!
Alas! Last 12 years I wrote 10,000 job application 1000 interview and got always job like project or permanent job but when the company's economy run not so good, as well as when I performed well, bullyed By my managers or colleagues. Again through they me to job market for job searching!!!!!!!!!!!!
After so many interviews and test when 2 left one is me and another is Danish P, they chose the Danish P!
Where they have not any explanation, why I am not!!!!!!
Although they CFO or Director are eating launch with all employees, but how much they give us chance to hear our view!, how much they talk with us or how much they give us chance to open for us the job markets door! I know many of PHD or highly qualified, perfect in Danish, could not had chance to come in the job market and ending their career as a Taxi chaffers.
So lives are for us as an immigrant, none place are best, just to compromise where they give little values. But I say thanks for your view and your opinion, that's open my eyes to think once more time to move from here. I cannot compromise with my career. My children's future and my value, so thinking one more time where in this world, I will be best treated! London or Dubai or somewhere in Asia!!!!

Honey, I do understand what you say. Been there, Done that! ... I 've been one of the them myself. My situation was even worse, but I keep that little personal detail to myself. But I did fight back and believe me, I don't even have the degree's you have and yet again I did manage to work for large companies and for famous people!

I was always given the least of all salaries and the most of the tasks at work, but I did accept it and got along with it just because I too know how much "Conservatism" is strong there and not per se Racism.

In Europe, we don't talk about Racism, but about Conservatism! ... We shall not mix that up and like I said, they will accept one as long as one does really truly dearly greatly and actively accept their values and cultures and make it his/hers. I myself did go one stop farther as to reject dual citizenship and hold only ONE of the Netherlands and not even practice my Persian heritage, habits and culture inside my own house! That FAR I did go and I managed to establish a good steady level of life there.

Living here, is not much of a culture shock for me, but like I said, it was for me when I went through the gutter to see how low one's life does count here in comparison.

A lot of people here work, study and are living a "Corporate" lifestyle like I just said and are happy with it too, becasue they DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER!

or if they do, they have kissed it all goodbye and turned themselves into Zombie brokers!

I strongly recommend you to keep your children in Denmark, let them study and grow up there, travel around Europe, North Africa and all and see it all before ever heading for here. It is all so spacious and fun here, but if they come over here, they better be here as a teenager with the European values so to continue study and get great degrees and go from there.

I know that I can go far if I stay here. I was complaining that I was lacking proper Canadian job experience, but now I have an impressive resume because I have the names of two great banks on my resume and the names of two people who are famous for any company out there as my points of reference!

But I rather go back to Fort Europe.

About the Turkish and Algerian or other mainly North African immigrants in Europe, I shall say this: I have had them as co-workers and they were always so pushy. Like this girl from Tunesia wearing head scarf who together with two Turkish girls also with head scarf were making our lives at work place miserable during Ramadan asking us not to eat, not to lunch, not to drink etc. So, no wonder they got fired!!! We couldn't take it anymore after 2 years of all the nag and all the talk about " you guys" and "us!" ... in their eyes we were dirty people, because we had dogs, cats, didn't pray or talked dirty at work, while they were oh so devouted and divine! bla bla bla ... I myself asked one of them once why she just doesn't go back to where she comes from if she doesn't like it here?!

They mostly keep living in the same area's, form their own Ghetto's and act as if they are better than the rest of the continent and if you are an insider and speak to Euorpeans, you will notice they are not blind and can see thorough the facade and that is why they try hard to protect themselves and their cultures.

Believe me all ... when India and China, by 2020 will start to become the new "immigrant" hubs for those who aim for a better living, you will be discriminated there too. Sometime sooner or later, India, China, Brazil and even Vietnam will become the most best places to live and work and no wonder, they work hard, they don't, hardly, complain and they are receptive and been through a lot of misery as to understand how important it is to work hard to get to any point.

Someday, when they are there and all of us start to pour in, then they will too become "conservatists" ... Just wait it out. Those days are not far from now.

Follow the news and see where all the Gold, Silver, Wealth is going to!

 

[steaky]

Believe me all ... when India and China, by 2020 will start to become the new "immigrant" hubs for those who aim for a better living, you will be discriminated there too. Sometime sooner or later, India, China, Brazil and even Vietnam will become the most best places to live and work and no wonder, they work hard, they don't, hardly, complain and they are receptive and been through a lot of misery as to understand how important it is to work hard to get to any point.
Follow the news and see where all the Gold, Silver, Wealth is going to!

That’s not true. Most Chinese intended to cover issues up and deal with them on their own before they became big issues. If you look at the Sanlu Milk melamine contamination in China in 2008, it came up in the headline news nine months after the first complaint. Furthermore, more recently, one of the victim’s father was sentenced jailed for 2 years after organized a group of victim’s parents to stage protest against the government and seek redress for their children in 2008. China is still developing and has a long way to go for a better living. We will see about this in 2020!

In Canada, we have freedom of speech. I don’t think Torontoguy and his friends in facebook will be jailed for organizing to force the PC of Canada just to allow their parents in joining them to Canada.

 

[PG]

Dear CJ,

I am from Denmark and want to move in July 2011 before my PR card time is expired with my two innocent childrens, whoes father left them because of his American dream! I was so motivated to read your last 22 posted and by inspired your view. I am like you, careerist, and the same values of life. Last 16 years I am in Denmark, with one Master degree from My Country Asia, as called your 3rd world country. I was offered always cleaning job here, so I took my MBA from Copenhagen at the learn Danish as well as integrated within this culture 99% , modern , personal drive, perfectionist.... bla bla.... to keep my religious and culture within my private life and my mind
I never want to get social help and want to use my qualification, hard work as well as earn money for my life!
Alas! Last 12 years I wrote 10,000 job application 1000 interview and got always job like project or permanent job but when the company's economy run not so good, as well as when I performed well, bullyed By my managers or colleagues. Again through they me to job market for job searching!!!!!!!!!!!!
After so many interviews and test when 2 left one is me and another is Danish P, they chose the Danish P!
Where they have not any explanation, why I am not!!!!!!
Although they CFO or Director are eating launch with all employees, but how much they give us chance to hear our view!, how much they talk with us or how much they give us chance to open for us the job markets door! I know many of PHD or highly qualified, perfect in Danish, could not had chance to come in the job market and ending their career as a Taxi chaffers.
So lives are for us as an immigrant, none place are best, just to compromise where they give little values. But I say thanks for your view and your opinion, that's open my eyes to think once more time to move from here. I cannot compromise with my career. My children's future and my value, so thinking one more time where in this world, I will be best treated! London or Dubai or somewhere in Asia!!!!

I would sugget you make a move once and realize how it is and how it goes for you in Canada. Who knows your MBA degree may work for you over there. I already told there is a limit in Europe mostly for immigrants. I guess you already have a Danish citizenship, so if you don't like or can not make it better you can come back anytime. After reading Charlotte's post I guess you have already become strong enough to counter the situation.

You will have very difficult situation, believe me because you have two kids. As far as I know you can not leave the kids below 12 at home unattened in Canada, so try how it works to have a day care. Denmark is the country which pays high salary (though high taxes too) and its social security system is better than Canada. So, if you become able to grab the job according to your qualification in Canada, then you are done. Otherwise, you may find it easy to grow and educate your kids in Europe because of low cost of education and strong support system. One more point, people take accessing social benefit in Europe as their right (for the families with kids, I don't need to mention the benefits and governments input due to low birth rate), on the other hand its opposite in Canada.

But try, who knows where your destiny is!

 

[qwerbilzak]

About the Turkish and Algerian or other mainly North African immigrants in Europe, I shall say this: I have had them as co-workers and they were always so pushy. Like this girl from Tunesia wearing head scarf who together with two Turkish girls also with head scarf were making our lives at work place miserable during Ramadan asking us not to eat, not to lunch, not to drink etc. So, no wonder they got fired!!! We couldn't take it anymore after 2 years of all the nag and all the talk about " you guys" and "us!" ... in their eyes we were dirty people, because we had dogs, cats, didn't pray or talked dirty at work, while they were oh so devouted and divine! bla bla bla ... I myself asked one of them once why she just doesn't go back to where she comes from if she doesn't like it here?!

So you don't like Turks, Algerians or North Africans, and they should go home?

Isn't this the same kind of judgmental attitude you don't like in others in Canada?

 

[qwerbilzak]

Charlotte, I'm sorry you've had such a rough time, but I can't find anything in what you say to indicate Canada is any different from any other place in the world: Some people are open, some are judgmental. Some people try to guard their home cultures, some assimilate. The people who assimilate do better because they're less unfamiliar to the people who already live there and do the hiring. People are less comfortable with the unfamiliar, it's just human nature. In big, expensive cities people are working hard to survive and have less time to be friendly. But given a less stressful moment, those same people may turn out to be be very nice people.

These seem to me to be not just Toronto, or Canada issues, but human issues. I've experienced all these things in every big city I've ever been to, in the West, and in the East.

So as much as you hate Canada now, it's hard for me find what part of it is "Canada"'s fault, and what part of it is just simple human nature and life in the big city.

Or to put it as a question, if you could tell the theoretical 'boss of Canada' what he/she should do to make Canada live up to your standards, what should be done?

 

[Honolulu]

Charlotte, it was very nice knowing you in the forums!!
I guess you are lucky that you can go back to your home country.
We from the underdeveloped parts are not so lucky and its either make or break for us.
Wish you the very best in your home country and a good future ahead!!

 

[melbell_28]

So you don't like Turks, Algerians or North Africans, and they should go home?

Isn't this the same kind of judgmental attitude you don't like in others in Canada?

Good one qwerbilzak! Racism or prejudice of any form is wrong in my eyes. Each person has their own thing, who they hell are we to question someone else's religion or culture?? Being a catholic myself with friends from several different religions and cultures, I would never ever question someone else's culture, but rather respect it. Especially the whole not eating thing. I actually do it voluntarily because I feel bad.. If I'm fasting for whatever reason and I was hungry, I would go mad around food So hence I have that same respect for them.

I also dont indulge anyone in conversations like this.. this is just getting very offensive and racist and prejudiced.

 

[CharlotteJ]

I would sugget you make a move once and realize how it is and how it goes for you in Canada. Who knows your MBA degree may work for you over there. I already told there is a limit in Europe mostly for immigrants. I guess you already have a Danish citizenship, so if you don't like or can not make it better you can come back anytime. After reading Charlotte's post I guess you have already become strong enough to counter the situation.

You will have very difficult situation, believe me because you have two kids. As far as I know you can not leave the kids below 12 at home unattened in Canada, so try how it works to have a day care. Denmark is the country which pays high salary (though high taxes too) and its social security system is better than Canada. So, if you become able to grab the job according to your qualification in Canada, then you are done. Otherwise, you may find it easy to grow and educate your kids in Europe because of low cost of education and strong support system. One more point, people take accessing social benefit in Europe as their right (for the families with kids, I don't need to mention the benefits and governments input due to low birth rate), on the other hand its opposite in Canada.

But try, who knows where your destiny is!

I am in with you with regard to this. Two kids, no job here, no proper safety net available for some time to be established here and all that stress of losing money while having no job and two kids to maintain, will be a bit too much. Think twice before moving here.

Denmark is not such a bad place although I know they can be quite tough to allow you become really one of their own but at least you have a life there and your kids can grow up nicely and have an almost free education at great universities, after all, Lund in Sweden is not that far away and allow them to study there and then decided whether to move here or not.

 

[CharlotteJ]

Charlotte, I'm sorry you've had such a rough time, but I can't find anything in what you say to indicate Canada is any different from any other place in the world: Some people are open, some are judgmental. Some people try to guard their home cultures, some assimilate. The people who assimilate do better because they're less unfamiliar to the people who already live there and do the hiring. People are less comfortable with the unfamiliar, it's just human nature. In big, expensive cities people are working hard to survive and have less time to be friendly. But given a less stressful moment, those same people may turn out to be be very nice people.

These seem to me to be not just Toronto, or Canada issues, but human issues. I've experienced all these things in every big city I've ever been to, in the West, and in the East.

So as much as you hate Canada now, it's hard for me find what part of it is "Canada"'s fault, and what part of it is just simple human nature and live in the big city.

Or to put it as a question, if you could tell the theoretical 'boss of Canada' what he/she should do to make Canada live up to your standards, what should be done?

I really appreciate it if you stop interpreting my words and use the "hate" word. I can't recall myself in any way referring to going to HATE Canada!

It is you who like to use this "word" = "hate" and not me! I am still holding a Permanent Resident card of Canada, am working as temp and have LOTS OF Canadian friends here who I am going to miss a lot and am certainly coming back to visit them and have some fun and quality time with them from time to time.

So it will be much more civilized if you stop harrassing my topic and use words and terms that are "yours" and not mine!

I love Canada and do not generalize. I 've not been to the West of this country but I have been exploring the East a few times in the past and can tell that there are plenty of beautiful places in this country with lovely fun Canadians. I am talking about Toronto and yet again, being a city girl, I enjoy much of city life for sure.

But "hating" it is not what I 've been talking about, I hate the corporate environment and if you can't read, then do not comment either.

Do not confuse me and stop confusing other people too. If you call me in any way a racist, I shall not hesitate to sue you! and I am very very serious about this.

Do not disrespect me neither all the other forumers who come over here to read, to learn and to be prepared and my aim here is as to share my thoughts, my experiences and all that so one can have a far better open window to what is really ongoing here before risking a precious life they already have unless they are certain their search will result in something good and again, I shall say, if you are young enough and from countries that are in bad shape, dealing with unjustice, political turmoil, wars, confilicts, have kids and want them to be raised in peace and harmony, etc etc, then yes, come over here and give it a try and don't hesitate leaving the poverty and all if you can. Although 90% of those who come here are not really poor. We all know that, but otherwise, if you already have a good job in let's say USA and good education and a better outlook for near future, don't jeopardize that and jump into something that is not perhaps worth it.

And that is what I try to express and not "hate" as you so much would love to stir up this topic with and confuse each and everybody of us.

This behavior or yours dear Forumer, speaks for itself and represents you and not really who I am and what I think.

 

[CharlotteJ]

Good one qwerbilzak! Racism or prejudice of any form is wrong in my eyes. Each person has their own thing, who they hell are we to question someone else's religion or culture?? Being a catholic myself with friends from several different religions and cultures, I would never ever question someone else's culture, but rather respect it. Especially the whole not eating thing. I actually do it voluntarily because I feel bad.. If I'm fasting for whatever reason and I was hungry, I would go mad around food So hence I have that same respect for them.

I also dont indulge anyone in conversations like this.. this is just getting very offensive and racist and prejudiced.

I suggest you two better start your own topic and share your experiences with all of us so we see how you deal with life here.

Please do not interrupt this whole conversation and understand that I am not a Racist and shall never be.

Those who are intelligent enough, know how to read through the lines and understand my words, if you can't then stop harrassment and please leave this topic to be a peaceful area.

Algeria, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, what so ever ... I don't care ... my best friend in the Netherlands is a Turkish woman and a lovely gentleman I met here is from Algeria and this girl I met when working at The Bay is from Tunesia and we are like two sisters and I can go on and go on.

And just yesterday, I met a great friendship with a Jordanian/Canadian young woman my own age and we are going to have lunch together tomorrow.

I also have friends from UK, Russia, Kazakstan, Belarus, Vietnam, Laos, Djibouti, France, Uganda, Congo (gosh I shall miss her so much!) and I can go on and go on and also from India, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka and off course China!

All of who fun people and all trying to convince me to stay here and give it a try.

This is why I leave, because I see their sufferings which is ugly, while I see the beauty of their personalities, have heard about their wishes and dreams and in many cases why they came here and I 've seen and met those who take advantage of their innocence and wish to be living in a far better and free place like Canada which is not fair! that has hurt me and that is why I leave to a place where at least one does not so en mass take advantage of such great people and their loved ones, their nations and all and as to be an example of how we should do it even better back home!

 

[qwerbilzak]

I love Canada...

You "love" Canada? Now I'm even more confused.

I apologize if I got the impression you hate it. I'm sure you can understand my confusion, since you did write the following:

I am leaving for many reasons which I shall explain when I am back and have more time to sit and think, right now lots of thoughts are grinding up my mind and I can not focus.

I did accomplish something many just can dream of or many Canadians can not even think of, finding a job in the most difficult times of the year : WINTER! or the so called Mud Season! I did so much to achieve my goals, more than whoever else and perhaps having had more than 12 to 16 interviews in a timeframe of about 1,5 months can witness that! I found a job, I worked at great places, did a lot of temps and still am called daily by new temps who discover me to go and work for them and I got to get settled in and learn how things work and how people live here, think here and love, dream and desire here and sadly, my conslusion was and is: No! Canada is not the place I shall and will waste my "precious" time and energy on it and go destroy my happiness and all my desires and wishes based upon "air' and "empty promises".

I shall call Canada the land of Empty Promises! ... you can make it here, but you should sell your soul to the devil to achieve that.

Off course there are exceptions, like those who come here from India, Pakistan or China with all their family and loved ones who sure can live together and be happy and go for it, but I am not here to judge on them and in fact I encourage people from all other places to come over here in case they might suffer poverty, injustice and/or lack of opportunities to educate/feed/raise their children and family from third world countries or however they are called, but for me, being from Europe, I suppose life won't offer me the "space" I need to grow, to be happy and to be who I am.

In fact I discovered that there is NO space here, there is no such big difference between here and my home country and if there are which sure are, it is better to be back home than here.

I truly disgust the Canadians having inherited the Old School British Empire style "Colonial class system" and are also so proud of it! hello .... what are you talking about? ... I hate to go to cafeteria and see all these hard working "colored people" from India, China, Russia, Ukraine, Philippines and you name it, sitting alone, in groups, eating the left overs of the kitchens while their supervisors are all eating separetely and enjoy much better ambiance and much better food! ... is that "Enslavery" or not? ... yes, it is. I saw " Global Enslavery" already here in Canada and I hate it, truly disgust it and it did hurt me a lot. I don't want to be apart of this weird totally out of these modern times system. I rather be in the Netherlands and work in a company, in solitude and being called " foreigner" but at least lunch with everybody, CEO"s included in the SAME cafeteria and walk through the same corridors.

I worked at The Bay and I worked at a few other places too as temp where I saw the system everywhere. Nobody is better than me or you, no supervisor of any colour or race is better than any other hardworking girl or boy from anywhere at any place who has not YET made it to the top. This is f... not right!

I hate that and I do not encourage anybody to come to live in a place where you might become subject to such system. In Europe we are all treated equally. You find a job, at any level and whichever the position holds, one is eligible to the rights of having 4 weeks of "paid" holiday a year if you work full time, which is 40 hours a week and in some countries like France even less than that. You will see CEO and managers eat with cleaners and that is how it works there, but not here.

I don't like it here, I can not accept to be someday a manager or a supervisor in Canada which will be the case knowing who I am and how far I can go from scratch, but not to sit and eat and have lunch or have a nice open conversation joking around without the fear to insult my indian colleague or my chinese or vietnamese subjects! ... I should personally treat them all equally, but if the law or the system wants me to adapt to that, no way. I better leave this place and shall not even return to spend my money on it than being here.

I was always the tourist shopping around, having fun, making friends, being super friendly to anybody, and thinking the system was the same as back home, I came here, I went backstage, behind closed doors and witnessed the "reality" and it was so bitter I had to cry everyday and drop tears for the suffering I witnessed and the silence, the mouths that are kept shut by a system that discriminates them on any field and I don't like it.

The only piece of paper that one should sign when you find a job in Holland, is your job contract, no police check and no credit card check and no other checks unless you apply for sensitive jobs but not for corporate jobs or jobs in IT, retail and this or that. People look tired and exhausted here, they are not happy here, they don't smile, they are running around with pain deeply deeply encaged in their souls for what reason? ... no reason. Just to be happy they earn Canadian dollars and live in Canada and hold a Canadian passport???? ???

I go back and am proud of myself, for being who I am, what I did and what I learned and now I can go back and say I did it and I didn't like it and appreciate the more so the piece and love that is around me back home. I might find it difficult to find a job there too, but at least I know how to deal with the jobs and with people in a new lifestyle!

Take Niagara Falls and the city, give it to Europeans and they will build a beautiful city around it full of love, happiness and all, give it to Americans, they build you a new Las Vegas, but give it to Canadians, you see worn out homes, ugly places, totally depressing city and just a beautiful facade.

I shall use Niagara Falls from now on as the symbol for Canada! not the beaver, not the mounties and not the rockyes and the geographical space to which I had never referred in my previous posts by the way!!!!!! so do not interpret my posts as for your own purposes.

Niagara Falls an ulgy depressing worn out and rubbish place to live

I truly wish you the best. I'm just trying to make sense of the situation.

 

[melbell_28]

If you mention that someone is wearing a head scarf and categorize them as whatever you feel them to be because of their religious or cultural values it's considered to be racist thing to do. And how you snub people from different countries also falls into the same category.

Go back and read your posts and see how you have mocked other cultures in your rants.

Also given below is the definition of Racism as per the dictionary according to Sociology.

abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

While you praise certain cultures you have also abused others. That in my eyes makes you a very racist person. Also you have been here for a mere 5 months. So you are making very generalized comments about the people that live in this country. Another thing that I noticed is that all your experiences seem to be based out of your encounters at the Bay. that says a lot on what your are exposed to now doesnt it?

 

[steaky]

I have observed things and people as closely as I could and I do hereby say that All Canadians should be ashamed of their culture and their behavior. This is not a civilization, but such a deep deep shame for them to be here, to be part of this "Banana Republic" with endless skies and unlimited resources and be aware of the fact that sooner or later, they will pay a heavy price for this madness ongoing in their country for the sake of preserving a culture that is not even allowed or should be even considered a culture! ??? Yeaks!!!

Even if they give me the best possible job here, I shall refuse it and go back to the little village and the rural Netherlands and be walking my doggy and think of how stupid I was to ever believe in somebody's strong marketing skills as to convince me that I was too good to live there and that Canada will be the right place for me to be at!

I am talking about Toronto and yet again, being a city girl, I enjoy much of city life for sure.

Canada is never a “Banana Republic”. It doesn't produce bananas. BC nectarines and blackberries are very good btw!

You are confusing us. Previously you said you are going back to your village in rural NL and now you said you are city girl? Being a village girl, neither Vancouver nor Toronto suits you. Perhaps you may consider living in the Okanagan region in rural Canada! The region is nice and scenic. I don't think you enjoy city life as much as I do.

 

[Sehar]

About the Turkish and Algerian or other mainly North African immigrants in Europe, I shall say this: I have had them as co-workers and they were always so pushy. Like this girl from Tunesia wearing head scarf who together with two Turkish girls also with head scarf were making our lives at work place miserable during Ramadan asking us not to eat, not to lunch, not to drink etc. So, no wonder they got fired!!! We couldn't take it anymore after 2 years of all the nag and all the talk about " you guys" and "us!" ... in their eyes we were dirty people, because we had dogs, cats, didn't pray or talked dirty at work, while they were oh so devouted and divine! bla bla bla ... I myself asked one of them once why she just doesn't go back to where she comes from if she doesn't like it here?!

i am a turkish woman. to me this is disgusting and horrible thing you say. you must apologize for such a comment.