Medical test - test of virginity

[ddobro2]

You are right, i didn't pay attention to the smiley faces, anyway already the title of the thread makes you think it could be a joke but because the person who posted this said "it was not a joke" i just sort of follwed the conversation thinking that all the other posts were no joke....now that i look at the post of the person who had "the rectum" checked i can see that it was a joke.... ;D

 

[ddobro2]

I doubt there is any doctor on the Canadian DMP list, in any country, that is told to do this "check" when someone comes in asking for the set of PR application medical procedures, let alone "the first thing they would do." It's nowhere on the list the DMPs get, for one. It's degrading, humiliating, and downright sexist, too, and not consistent with Canadian values. Now, I have heard the story (Google it) of South Asian women being made to have virginity tests in Heathrow airport in the 1970s because the UK immigration authorities wanted to make sure these women were not pretending to be engaged (no visa required if you got married within 3 months back then) when they were already married (needed visa to join husband in UK). Don't know how widespread that was but wouldn't happen today, and I think it was disgracefully racist in addition to being sexist. Wouldn't happen today, especially by a Western government, and if it did, the scheme wouldn't last long away from the glare of public scrutiny care of the highly transparent culture we live in now.

Culture in some countries is incredibly different from the one we are used to. Maybe in the country where this person is from the virginity test is the 1 st thing they do and this person doesn't feel at ease with this.
Who knows?
Again, i repeat,I'm sure there is no virginity issue with Canada immigration, they are never going to check that, or require that, unless there is a hospital whose chief doctor is very interested in that woman for his own personal interest

 

[ddobro2]

I guess we can only make guesses as to the OP's exact situation and circumstances, or even which country the medical would be done in, because s/he never came back to give us more info or ask follow up questions.

I figured the original poster was a woman and was worried about having a gynecological exam - not because it might prove she was virgin or not, but simply because she wasn't comfortable with having this type of exam. I know I was very nervous before my immigration health checks for China and Taiwan precisely because I didn't want to have a gynecological exam done by some strange foreign doctor.

Judging from the replies so far, only a DMP from one country did a gynecological exam - the USA. There is more variation in what the DMPs do than I would have thought. Maybe the OP should ask people who have had the medical done in the same country as he/she will be having it, what exactly the exam entailed there.

 

[toby]

The "takeaway" from all this is to try to get a description of the medical exam, and bring it to the examination. Then if the doctor proposes a "questionable" procedure, like a virginity test, ask him/her to justify it from the description you brought.

If this description is not available somewhere in the CIC website, perhaps the local embassy would provide one.

 

[whoopi83]

There also could be medical reasons why a woman remains a virgin after marriage, or simply circumstance. Sexual activity does not necessarily mean lack of fraud as much as lack of sexual activity does not necessarily mean genuineness of the relationship. Imagine the couple who marry but the female cannot engage because of either a medical condition or simply menstruation, but the husband has to return to either his home country or Canada.... the marriage has not been consummated but another visit cannot take place before they submit the application and have the medical carried out.... It would be a travesty that a genuine couple were refused simply because they had not yet had sex. As for the assertion that the marriage is not a marriage if it has not been consummated, that alone in Canada and other "Western Countries" is not strictly true. An applicant to annul must have a reasonable expectation of sex at the time of marriage. This means that if the applicant knows at the time of marriage that the relationship will be platonic or that the respondent could not have sex, the ground of non-consummation will not apply. Lack of opportunity to consummate the relationship is not grounds for annulment.

 

[can_usa_97]

perhaps the OP is not filing under a married status? and is worried that they'll check if there were conjugal?

 

[inlimbo]

Interesting how the medical check seems to differ from place to place. My husband was checked *down there*.

 

[missmini]

Interesting how the medical check seems to differ from place to place. My husband was checked *down there*.

whyyyyy what was their explanation? and what notes did they take? LOL

 

[inlimbo]

whyyyyy what was their explanation? and what notes did they take? LOL

LOL

I never thought to ask about notes. My husband called me afterward and bashfully reported he'd been 'checked'. Actually, I'm pretty sure they only did that the second time and not during the first check. Not sure why...

 

[PMM]

Hi

LOL

I never thought to ask about notes. My husband called me afterward and bashfully reported he'd been 'checked'. Actually, I'm pretty sure they only did that the second time and not during the first check. Not sure why...

Hernia

 

[toby]

Hi

Hernia

Still doesn't make sense. Why is Canada worried about a possible hernia? That would not be crippling to Canada's health-care system.

And if it were, why not check during the first exam? Why only during the second?

 

[Leon]

I have a feeling that the doctor in question might just think of it as a part of a standard physical. They seem to vary a bit which makes me think that there isn't an exact protocol from immigration. They may mention a couple of things that should be checked but otherwise leave it up to the doctor.

 

[toby]

I have a feeling that the doctor in question might just think of it as a part of a standard physical. They seem to vary a bit which makes me think that there isn't an exact protocol from immigration. They may mention a couple of things that should be checked but otherwise leave it up to the doctor.

Which would be quite sloppy and careless of Immigration, leaving room for inappropriate and unnecessarily intrusive examinations like virginity tests.

If you leave unfettered control in a doctors' hands, it will be abused sooner or later.

 

[rjessome]

Actually, the DMP handbook lays out the procedures and tests that must be done for the purposes of immigration to Canada. However, one might assume that if a doctor saw evidence of something like a hernia through those tests, he or she might test for it thinking of the patient's well-being. They are doctors after all.

Have you ever just wished a question would die? I have NEVER, EVER heard of a virginity test happening through an immigration medical. But I suppose if the doctor was a crook and could be paid off to perform such a test by an interested 3rd party, it's possible. Aside from that, the results of medicals are sent directly to the RMO and not even given to the applicant unless there are results which require aftercare such as an infection, etc.

 

[toby]

Actually, the DMP handbook lays out the procedures and tests that must be done for the purposes of immigration to Canada. However, one might assume that if a doctor saw evidence of something like a hernia through those tests, he or she might test for it thinking of the patient's well-being. They are doctors after all.

Have you ever just wished a question would die? I have NEVER, EVER heard of a virginity test happening through an immigration medical. But I suppose if the doctor was a crook and could be paid off to perform such a test by an interested 3rd party, it's possible. Aside from that, the results of medicals are sent directly to the RMO and not even given to the applicant unless there are results which require aftercare such as an infection, etc.

Sorry, R; maybe the topic is on its last legs, but not yet dead.

Is the handbook available to PR applicants about to take a medical exam, R? Where, please? It should be standard operating procedure for a PR applicant to inform himself or herself what is required, so the doctor can be questioned for going beyond the requirements. While maybe only one virginity test has been mentioned, enough respondents to this post have mentioned weird examinations to raise a few red flags. And like cockroaches, for every one you see there are thousands you don't see.

If the doctor who examined for a hernia was required to send the results to RMO without discussing them with the PR applicant, what good did it do the applicant to be examined for a hernia? And if RMO is interested in knowing only about major medical problems, not a hernia, what good did it do for the doctor to report to RMO about the hernia? No matter which way one looks at it, there seems to be no point in the doctor's going beyond the strict RMO requirements, and allowing him/her to do so opens up the potential for abuse.

The simplest remedy is for the applicant to inform himself of the requirement, and be willing to ask the doctor to justify going beyond the RMO handbook.

I wonder what would happen if the applicant agreed to be examined as per the RMO requirements, but no further, and nothing major was detected. The medical report would report on the handbook requirements, and might report that the applicant refused some more personal off-handbook examinations, like a hernia. Would the applicant pass or fail the medical for refusing personal examinations?

If the handbook is available, I suggest that every immigration consultant make it available to clients.