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To my knowledge, US seems to require an intention to reside to keep PR.

Here is the link
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3f443a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=3f443a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD where it says:

You may be found to have abandoned your permanent resident status if you:

* Move to another country intending to live there permanently

Thus, double PR may involve some risk. The safer way is to get Canadian citizenship oath first and then get US green card.
 
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To my knowledge, US seems to require an intention to reside to keep PR.

Here is the link
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3f443a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=3f443a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD where it says:

You may be found to have abandoned your permanent resident status if you:

* Move to another country intending to live there permanently

Thus, double PR may involve some risk. The safer way is to get Canadian citizenship oath first and then get US green card.
But in your case, you intend to reside in WA and commute to work in BC. You are not abandoning your Green card holder status.
 

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While I appreciate everyone's comments and advice on this thread, my family and I are in a similar situation and can provide our own experience. It is a little different than what some have posted here.

First, we hold both US and Canadian permanent residence. While, yes, technically you will eventually lose one there is no rule/regulation on either side of the border that says you have to surrender one if you get the other. It is just you could technically lose one if you do not meet the residency requirements of each. Yes, immigration rules in both countries set forth criteria for intent of residency but the interpretation of that seems to be on a case by case basis.

In our situation, we are all residing in BC. Some family members are working locally and they have been residing out of the US for more than 12 months. Actually, they have been doing this for nearly five years since acquiring US PR. What we have found in practice is the border crossings between the US/Canada are as relaxed as any border in North America. We have held US Re-entry permits once for two years but have not applied for a new once after it expired in 2015. We have only been questioned once in nearly five years when crossing the border between the two countries and it was by US CBP on a land crossing. We were sent into secondary inspection. We still own a small condo south of the border so that was the address we claimed. Even though we have BC license plates on the car, they were satisfied with the proof of US address.

We reside all of our time in BC when not working.

Now myself and one other in the family are working in the US. One is working in WA state and drives home every weekend. I commute from further away and fly home once or twice a month. It is a royal pain to work in the US but with the C$ so low and the salaries in US so high, it is difficult to resist the chance to get ahead financially by doing so. Until the value of the C$ is back up, it is worth the hassle.

As you know, with the 2 out of every 5 years physical presence requirement of Canadian PR, it is a little more liberal than the US PR requirement. Also, in our experience, Canada CBSA has never questioned how long we have been out of the country when re-entering like the US does when going the other direction. Our Canadian PR status has never been questioned once by the CBSA at the border. I presume they apply this rule when applying for renewal every five years. It is my understanding that IRCC will consult both the Canadian CBSA and US CBP border entry/exit records when applying for PR renewal to establish compliance with the 2/5 year rule. To me, that would be the first opportunity to possibly lose Canadian PR when residing outside of Canada.

I recently worked for six months in Bellingham, commuting across each day. As stated in the IRCC rules, each partial day I drove south in the morning and returned that same day after work each day was counted as a full day in Canada. This actually will work in your favour as you reside in US but commute to Canada. Returning to Canada each day will continue to accumulate at least 5 days of Canadian physical presence per week toward the requirement for applying for Canadian citizenship as long as you can maintain a Canadian residence address (assuming you will be commuting at least 5 days per week to Canada). Since you will continue to file your Canadian taxes as a Canadian resident, then you have nothing to lose by filing your Canadian return from a Canadian address.

As you may be aware, the US rule for physical presence for the US PR is different. For the US tally, any partial day spent outside of the US is considered a full day present outside the US. So to protect your US PR status as a daily commuter, the CBP and USCIS recommends acquiring a re-entry permit. That would be a rock solid way of protecting your US PR status. It can't be renewed, but you can always apply for a new one after the two-year re-entry permit expires. I have read that after your 2nd or 3rd re-entry permit, it is possible that the USCIS will scrutinize your re-entry permit application more strictly. However, there are two items on the application to keep in mind. One, is they ask the number of months you have resided outside the US since your previous RP application. Since you remained resident in the US as a commuter, I have been informed by the USCIS that you are allowed to claim the minimal category of absence (I think it is 0 to 3 months checkbox). Two, you want to stipulate on your RP application that the purpose of the permit is for DAILY COMMUTE, RETURNING HOME TO US DAILY. I know of people who have been obtaining RPs for over ten years under these circumstances. With this information in your application, you should not have any problem.

Just my thoughts.
Hope it helps.
 
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Dear hfinkel,

Thank you so much for your detailed and helpful information!

Would you mind also sharing here (or privately messaging me) if your friends get US citizenship after frequent usage of re-entry permits?

Here are the official requirements for US PR to become citizens (https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_force/files/form/g-1151_0.pdf?download=1)

1) Demonstrate continuous permanent residence in the United States for at least 5 years (In some cases, this may be 3 years if you are married to a U.S. citizen.)

2) Show that you have been physically present in the United States for 30 months. (In some cases, this may be 18
months if you are married to a U.S. citizen.)

3) Show that you have lived for at least 3 months in the state or USCIS district where you claim residence.

I think your friend who "obtained RPs for over ten years under these circumstances" should already satisfy these requirements for US citizenship?

Thanks very much again.


While I appreciate everyone's comments and advice on this thread, my family and I are in a similar situation and can provide our own experience. It is a little different than what some have posted here.

First, we hold both US and Canadian permanent residence. While, yes, technically you will eventually lose one there is no rule/regulation on either side of the border that says you have to surrender one if you get the other. It is just you could technically lose one if you do not meet the residency requirements of each. Yes, immigration rules in both countries set forth criteria for intent of residency but the interpretation of that seems to be on a case by case basis.

In our situation, we are all residing in BC. Some family members are working locally and they have been residing out of the US for more than 12 months. Actually, they have been doing this for nearly five years since acquiring US PR. What we have found in practice is the border crossings between the US/Canada are as relaxed as any border in North America. We have held US Re-entry permits once for two years but have not applied for a new once after it expired in 2015. We have only been questioned once in nearly five years when crossing the border between the two countries and it was by US CBP on a land crossing. We were sent into secondary inspection. We still own a small condo south of the border so that was the address we claimed. Even though we have BC license plates on the car, they were satisfied with the proof of US address.

We reside all of our time in BC when not working.

Now myself and one other in the family are working in the US. One is working in WA state and drives home every weekend.
I commute from further away and fly home once or twice a month. It is a royal pain to work in the US but with the C$ so low and the salaries in US so high, it is difficult to resist the chance to get ahead financially by doing so. Until the value of the C$ is back up, it is worth the hassle.

As you know, with the 2 out of every 5 years physical presence requirement of Canadian PR, it is a little more liberal than the US PR requirement. Also, in our experience, Canada CBSA has never questioned how long we have been out of the country when re-entering like the US does when going the other direction. Our Canadian PR status has never been questioned once by the CBSA at the border. I presume they apply this rule when applying for renewal every five years. It is my understanding that IRCC will consult both the Canadian CBSA and US CBP border entry/exit records when applying for PR renewal to establish compliance with the 2/5 year rule. To me, that would be the first opportunity to possibly lose Canadian PR when residing outside of Canada.

I recently worked for six months in Bellingham, commuting across each day. As stated in the IRCC rules, each partial day I drove south in the morning and returned that same day after work each day was counted as a full day in Canada.

As you may be aware, the US rule for physical presence for the US PR is different. For the US tally, any partial day spent outside of the US is considered a full day present outside the US. So to protect your US PR status as a daily commuter, the CBP and USCIS recommends acquiring a re-entry permit. That would be a rock solid way of protecting your US PR status. It can't be renewed, but you can always apply for a new one after the two-year re-entry permit expires. I have read that after your 2nd or 3rd re-entry permit, it is possible that the USCIS will scrutinize your re-entry permit application more strictly. However, there are two items on the application to keep in mind. One, is they ask the number of months you have resided outside the US since your previous RP application. Since you remained resident in the US as a commuter, I have been informed by the USCIS that you are allowed to claim the minimal category of absence (I think it is 0 to 3 months checkbox). Two, you want to stipulate on your RP application that the purpose of the permit is for DAILY COMMUTE, RETURNING HOME TO US DAILY. I know of people who have been obtaining RPs for over ten years under these circumstances. With this information in your application, you should not have any problem.

Just my thoughts.
Hope it helps.
 

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Dear hfinkel,
Would you mind also sharing here (or privately messaging me) if your friends get US citizenship after frequent usage of re-entry permits?
This is a stickier wicket on the US side. Re-entry permits, per se, do not impact applications for US citizenship. Since partial days absent from US do not count toward physical presence in the US toward US naturalization, that is what will slow down the US residence requirement for applying.

I have presumed that days physically present are what is used in the US to establish the 5 year or 3 year requirement but I could be wrong. I do not intend to pursue US citizenship. But according to what you have posted, that may not be the case.

Dear hfinkel,
I think your friend who "obtained RPs for over ten years under these circumstances" should already satisfy these requirements for US citizenship?
Thanks very much again.
The two that I know that have been obtaining RPs for such long periods have not pursued naturalization.
Perhaps because they do not qualify under the circumstances to apply.
 
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Thanks for your prompt and useful reply, hfinkel.

I know US has something called commuter PR (https://www.clarkhill.com/contents/commuter-green-cards.pdf?parent_id=335) for those working in USA but living in Canada/Mexico. Commuter PR time cannot be used for citizenship application. Therefore, I guess staying a whole day in USA is what USCIS means for citizenship application residence requirements.


This is a stickier wicket on the US side. Re-entry permits, per se, do not impact applications for US citizenship. Since partial days absent from US do not count toward physical presence in the US toward US naturalization, that is what will slow down the US residence requirement for applying.

I have presumed that days physically present are what is used in the US to establish the 5 year or 3 year requirement but I could be wrong. I do not intend to pursue US citizenship. But according to what you have posted, that may not be the case.



The two that I know that have been obtaining RPs for such long periods have not pursued naturalization.
Perhaps because they do not qualify under the circumstances to apply.
 
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Thanks for your prompt and useful reply, hfinkel.

I know US has something called commuter PR (https://www.clarkhill.com/contents/commuter-green-cards.pdf?parent_id=335) for those working in USA but living in Canada/Mexico. Commuter PR time cannot be used for citizenship application. Therefore, I guess staying a whole day in USA is what USCIS means for citizenship application.
I know the physical days presence certainly applies to the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and ACA health insurance 330-day exemption requirements for taxes. I may be confusing that criteria with the residence requirement for naturalization. Probably best to consult a US immigration attorney for ways to meet the US residency requirement for naturalization. Someone I worked with in Vancouver several years ago managed to pursue a US naturalization application with the assistance of an immigration attorney. So maybe it is possible.
 

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Anecdotal reports describing actual experience often offer a wealth of useful information. HOWEVER, a good deal of caution needs to be employed in any attempt to practically apply such information in a particular individual's case. It warrants emphasizing that INDIVIDUAL RESULTS MAY VARY, and frankly they will often vary and they can vary considerably.

There are almost always some differences in detail which can make a big difference in how things turn out.

Upfront it warrants recognizing that there are indeed many who immigrate to Canada who also obtain Green Card status in the U.S. Many have reported NO problems at all. Others have reported a wide range of problems, some largely a matter of inconvenience in dealing with a confrontational or accusatory official but some report outright negative actions taken by officials. Both sides of the border BUT, or so I have perceived, MORE so from U.S. authorities.

The latter is inherently a part of the respective systems. The U.S. considers the GC holder to still be an "alien." Canada immigration law, in contrast, considers the Canadian PR to be a Canadian, NOT a "foreign national" (Canada's term comparable to the U.S. term "alien"). So the countries' respective approaches to their PRs is substantively different.

And generally the U.S. rules tend to be both more strict AND more strictly applied.

However, it is NOT correct that
Yes, immigration rules in both countries set forth criteria for intent of residency. . .
Not really. As I cited and linked above, there is NO intent element or requirement for Canadian PRs. NOT even to qualify for a grant of citizenship.

In contrast, intent appears to still have a role in keeping U.S. GC status (as @ImmiToCanada linked; it also would be helpful to know and review the primary legal authority, if someone has that information).

And very often intent can be a very slippery fact to establish.

Leading to the rest of the statement about "criteria for intent of residency."

Yes, immigration rules in both countries set forth criteria for intent of residency but the interpretation of that seems to be on a case by case basis.
Again, actually this only applies to keeping U.S. GC status, not Canadian PR status. And it may seem like quibbling, but it warrants noting that what varies on a case by case basis is not so much the interpretation of what the intent requirement is, but how this is applied, which of course depends more on various facts in the particular case (like duration of absences, place where one maintains their primary residence, residential ties generally, even place of employment, tax filing status, among other facts and circumstances) than it does on what the GC PR claims to be his or her intent.

The U.S. guide for new immigrants, for example, cautions: "Your conduct will demonstrate your actual intent." As in NOT what you say your intent is.

And therein lies the rub or, to be more to the point, therein is the RISK: different people, including different officers and different judges, can interpret the same conduct differently. They are largely interpreting the requirement the same, but reaching different conclusions about what the GC PR's actual intent is based on the GC PR's particular actions.

For example, is filing a tax return as a "resident" of another country sufficient to conclude that person does not have the intent to reside permanently in the U.S.?

To some extent, overt or explicit expressions of intent can be influential. However, this tends to be more so when the expression of intent is in the nature of an admission against interest.

Like doing things to obtain or to keep "PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS" in another country. I do not know how common it is for U.S. authorities to focus much on this, whether in conducting PoE examinations or in the course of other processing a GC PR may be involved in, but no advanced degrees in psychology are necessary to recognize CONDUCT consistent with keeping PR status in a country other than the U.S. tends to at least suggest, if not "demonstrate," the lack of intent to PERMANENTLY RESIDE in the U.S.

Leading to other related conduct, again like filing a tax return as a RESIDENT of a country other than the U.S. That in effect is likewise a statement suggesting, if NOT demonstrating, the lack of intent to reside in the U.S. Here too I do not know to what extent there is a risk U.S. authorities will make inquiry related to this, or request documents related to this. What I do know, nonetheless, is that IF asked, the individual should answer HONESTLY, TRUTHFULLY, and the import of claiming to be resident in another country tends to speak for itself.


CLAIMED RESIDENCE versus ACTUAL PLACE OF ABODE:

Let's be frank: many people, in many contexts, will list an address as their place of residence even though their regular place of abode is at another address. In many contexts this is overtly OK. In some contexts this is a misrepresentation. It can be fraud. And if done in certain forms, it can otherwise be subject to criminal prosecution comparable to penalties for perjury or false swearing.

If a government official sees that a person is doing this, that can become a significant factor in how that official makes decisions, especially decisions depending on the person's credibility.

Nonetheless, anecdotally, many, many appear to get away with doing this even if in the particular circumstances it is NOT OK. Even when, say, something might give them away, like having a vehicle registered in a different jurisdiction.

Which leads things back to recognizing the VARIABILITY of risks involved, which quite often are difficult if not nearly impossible to quantify in any meaningful way EXCEPT to recognize there is more than a nominal or remote RISK.

In respect to this, it warrants noting and emphasizing, the general trend appears to be toward more scrutiny, more cross-checking, and both sides of the border employing a more strict approach to enforcing the rules. What might have been easy to do a few years ago may now be far more risky, or at the least it is likely to become more risky.

And then all this circles back around to recognizing there tends to be a huge difference in how things go depending on whether an officer takes interest in looking more closely. In looking at case-by-case differences, it is well apparent that so long as examining officials see no cause to challenge things, then things tend to go a lot easier, and what might be particularly problematic details are, in effect, overlooked.

BUT ONCE AN OFFICIAL TAKES INTEREST AND ELEVATES THE DEGREE OF SCRUTINY, THEN MANY OF THOSE SAME DETAILS WHICH APPEARED TO HAVE LITTLE OR NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECT CAN SUDDENLY LOOM LARGE AND PROBLEMATIC.

Like claiming to reside at an address which is very different from where your vehicle is registered, or where you claim to be a "resident" for taxation purposes, among other incongruous or even outright contradictory information.

NONE of this is to suggest, let alone advise, a particular course of action. It is, rather, to caution, as I already have:
"The scheme involves risks. There are no definitive outcomes. There are practical contingencies which can and likely will influence how things go. Plans are one thing. Life tends to be another. "
And this caution warrants the further caution I previously expressed:
"And there is a very real RISK that authorities on both sides of the border will look at this askance, perceiving this to be gaming the system, and thus lean toward the more negative inferences the facts suggest. Which is to say that even though reports indicate more than a few have succeeded in similar schemes, there are pitfalls lurking in the details."

What will trigger the difference between officials having little concern and in effect not digging into the details let alone becoming suspicious or taking a more skeptical view of things, I cannot say. It could be this or that detail.

I can say that there is plenty of anecdotal reporting amply illustrating that if a government official gets the impression someone is gaming the system, that tends to dramatically escalate the risks.

Which for the U.S. side of things leads back to that "intent" issue. It can be tricky. For the person who is in fact living and working in the U.S., obviously no problem. But as soon as you start shifting some of those residential-ties pieces abroad, the matrix of possible interpretations expands, including the more negative possibilities, and thus so will the risks that this or that official will get the impression someone is gaming the system and thus start looking at things through a far more narrow and negative lens. With predictable results.
 
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Wow. Well, that's a record-setting epistle of private interpretation to be sure.

Barring the possibility of a zealot US border officer, the OP is likely to be fine until time to renew the Canadian PR card.
 

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Half the battle is common sense, a measure of reason. Identifying the risks and having an information base which will support improvised adjustment to changing circumstances over the course of time is another big factor.

This is no coin toss scenario. This is about decision-making and what to consider when making those decisions.

Those who march forward according to a steadfast plan to do precisely X and Y are prone to failure.

Those who tend to fare well tend to be those who recognize relevant factors, who identify contingencies and variable possibilities, and map out the more salient if this. . . do that, but if this other thing, do this other thing possibilities. That demands some homework. That requires familiarity with the potential pitfalls and prospective variables.

Barring the possibility of a zealot US border officer, the OP is likely to be fine until time to renew the Canadian PR card.
Yes. Even after it is time to apply for a new PR card. But as true as "likely to be fine" is, that fails to offer any information which is of much use in making the many decisions an individual will need to make on this path.

"LIKELY" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH for rational people. . . NOT when there are important consequences on the line. Not when some foresight and homework and real information can help one better navigate the process. After all, it is correct to say, to a person contemplating playing Russian Roulette, it is "likely you will be fine." Indeed, the odds of no problem are better than 85%. But that would be very stupid advice. The better advice would be DON'T DO IT. Even though, again, the odds are high it will turn out OK. Even though it is likely the person will be fine. Five in six chances there will be NO boom, no fatal impact from a projectile explosively penetrating the brain. But that is NOT good enough.

In particular there are numerous factors, many of which are likely to change over the course of time, which can have a significant impact on just HOW likely it is that things will go this way or that way. But there are also various factors which can have a significant impact on the consequences, which can be more or less severe DEPENDING. There is a lot to consider.

Prudent individuals look for and consider information which will allow them to make better decisions navigating the risks rather than rely on assurances things are likely to be fine. That is, prudent individuals do the homework and judiciously apply what is learned, applying what they learn to their particular circumstances, in response to the particular contingencies they encounter on their own immigration path, taking into account their own priorities, their own limitations, and also their personal advantages.

For example, making misrepresentations along the way, like declaring one's residential address to be somewhere other than one's ordinary place of abode (no matter how many get away with this), increases BOTH the risk of something going awry AND the risk that will have more severe consequences.


Again I am NOT encouraging or discouraging anyone to pursue or not pursue a certain path, such as trying to balance maintaining Canadian PR status and U.S. PR (Green Card) status. Many do this successfully. Many who fail might have done better if they had given more consideration to this or that decision along the way.

I will not hesitate, however, to discourage reliance on superficial generalities with reckless disregard for the many details and nuances which can make the difference, sometimes all the difference.
 
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Which is NOT news to anyone who has read my posts here. Nor to me. Not informative in the least.

I am old. Been around the block more than a few times. And I am well aware of the difference between being literate and applying reason, versus offering shallow generalities which are rarely informative and too often misleading (even if they are true).

What is more important, however, is the effort to illuminate and distinguish information which will help those with questions better navigate the process consistent with their particular circumstances and priorities. Even if that is just a heads-up, HEY, that path is more complicated than fools suggest, good idea to do some homework and proceed cautiously. And this message is particularly apt for those who plan to pursue obtaining and maintaining PR status in multiple countries at the same time: there are risks, and there will be decisions to make along the way which can make a big difference in how it goes, so best to take care accordingly with due consideration for many factors, some personal, some about the laws and rules. Again, this is NO coin toss scenario.
 

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1. Get a commuter green card (you must work in the US, and live in either Canada/Mexico), or re-entry permit (again, this may pose a problem when the second or third renewal comes around)
2. Apply and hopefully get Canadian citizenship (as noted, there is no intent requirement for Canadian citizenship application, only that you are physically present for 1,096 days out of the last five years, and any partial day spent in Canada counts as a full day for this purpose). If you have been commuting back and forth daily from/to Canada, this should not be an issue
3. Finally move to the US as a Canadian citizen having a green card(if that's what you want all along)

In theory, the above should work to keep both permanent resident status. The biggest issue is to prove intent to reside in the US, and this is where having re-entry permit can help (though again, there had been anecdotes that renewal application might get your 'intent' scrutinized).

Also keep in mind that since late June 2013, every movement of non-US/non-Canadian citizen across the land border is recorded, and this includes every permanent resident of both countries. So your entry and exit to and from US/Canada would be recorded, and CBSA and CBP would easily have access to this information. Do NOT even think of lying or misrepresent.

At least as per the letter of the law, doing the above should not put your Canadian PR in jeopardy (again, what transpires in real life might be different than what's on paper, so proceed with caution).
 

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While I appreciate everyone's comments and advice on this thread, my family and I are in a similar situation and can provide our own experience. It is a little different than what some have posted here.

First, we hold both US and Canadian permanent residence. While, yes, technically you will eventually lose one there is no rule/regulation on either side of the border that says you have to surrender one if you get the other. It is just you could technically lose one if you do not meet the residency requirements of each. Yes, immigration rules in both countries set forth criteria for intent of residency but the interpretation of that seems to be on a case by case basis.

In our situation, we are all residing in BC. Some family members are working locally and they have been residing out of the US for more than 12 months. Actually, they have been doing this for nearly five years since acquiring US PR. What we have found in practice is the border crossings between the US/Canada are as relaxed as any border in North America. We have held US Re-entry permits once for two years but have not applied for a new once after it expired in 2015. We have only been questioned once in nearly five years when crossing the border between the two countries and it was by US CBP on a land crossing. We were sent into secondary inspection. We still own a small condo south of the border so that was the address we claimed. Even though we have BC license plates on the car, they were satisfied with the proof of US address.

We reside all of our time in BC when not working.

Now myself and one other in the family are working in the US. One is working in WA state and drives home every weekend. I commute from further away and fly home once or twice a month. It is a royal pain to work in the US but with the C$ so low and the salaries in US so high, it is difficult to resist the chance to get ahead financially by doing so. Until the value of the C$ is back up, it is worth the hassle.

As you know, with the 2 out of every 5 years physical presence requirement of Canadian PR, it is a little more liberal than the US PR requirement. Also, in our experience, Canada CBSA has never questioned how long we have been out of the country when re-entering like the US does when going the other direction. Our Canadian PR status has never been questioned once by the CBSA at the border. I presume they apply this rule when applying for renewal every five years. It is my understanding that IRCC will consult both the Canadian CBSA and US CBP border entry/exit records when applying for PR renewal to establish compliance with the 2/5 year rule. To me, that would be the first opportunity to possibly lose Canadian PR when residing outside of Canada.

I recently worked for six months in Bellingham, commuting across each day. As stated in the IRCC rules, each partial day I drove south in the morning and returned that same day after work each day was counted as a full day in Canada. This actually will work in your favour as you reside in US but commute to Canada. Returning to Canada each day will continue to accumulate at least 5 days of Canadian physical presence per week toward the requirement for applying for Canadian citizenship as long as you can maintain a Canadian residence address (assuming you will be commuting at least 5 days per week to Canada). Since you will continue to file your Canadian taxes as a Canadian resident, then you have nothing to lose by filing your Canadian return from a Canadian address.

As you may be aware, the US rule for physical presence for the US PR is different. For the US tally, any partial day spent outside of the US is considered a full day present outside the US. So to protect your US PR status as a daily commuter, the CBP and USCIS recommends acquiring a re-entry permit. That would be a rock solid way of protecting your US PR status. It can't be renewed, but you can always apply for a new one after the two-year re-entry permit expires. I have read that after your 2nd or 3rd re-entry permit, it is possible that the USCIS will scrutinize your re-entry permit application more strictly. However, there are two items on the application to keep in mind. One, is they ask the number of months you have resided outside the US since your previous RP application. Since you remained resident in the US as a commuter, I have been informed by the USCIS that you are allowed to claim the minimal category of absence (I think it is 0 to 3 months checkbox). Two, you want to stipulate on your RP application that the purpose of the permit is for DAILY COMMUTE, RETURNING HOME TO US DAILY. I know of people who have been obtaining RPs for over ten years under these circumstances. With this information in your application, you should not have any problem.

Just my thoughts.
Hope it helps.
Since you seem to have commuted to Canada a lot acquiring partial days counting as full days towards your Canadian citizenship application, I am curious about the following:

1. How do you keep track of potentially several hundred days of entry/exit records?

2. Did they never question you about your US green card during Canadian citizenship process?

Also, if you don't mind, I need your advice on my situation. Sorry for long post but your answers would be really helpful to me. I am a Canadian PR (almost a year of residence in Ontario). I recently received US green card as my wife is a US citizen. Both of us have good jobs here in Ontario and are seriously considering just letting the green card go, and apply for it again later when we feel more settled in our careers. I am still curious if I should activate my green card before my immigrant visa expires, and stay in Canada but keep looking for a job in the US in case something comes along in say 5-6 months of green card activation.

I have following questions about my situation:

1. How long can I be OK by staying outside the US after activating green card but mostly living in Canada. I can do a trip every two months to US if it helps. It looks like it'll probably hurt more than help since CBP gets more chances to ask me why am I taking such long trips to Canada and if I "live" there?

2. I know that re-entry permits help stay out of US for up to two years. Do I have to have a valid reason for applying and obtaining one? Given my situation, do you think I qualify?

3. I've been told that activating green card means you can no longer use Ontario provincial healthcare, as it would be considered fraud since you no longer "live" in Canada. Is that true?

4. Would having an expired US immigrant visa(unused if I do not activate green card) on my passport have any impact on the Canadian PR renewal application?

5. Would having an expired US immigrant visa(unused if I do not activate green card) on my passport have any impact on the Canadian citizenship application?

6. Would having a prior US GC(if I activate the green card and give it up later) have any impact on the Canadian PR renewal application?

7. Would having a prior US GC(if I activate the green card and give it up later) have any impact on the Canadian citizenship application?

8. Would having an active US GC(if I successfully obtain single/multiple re-entry permit) have any impact on the Canadian PR renewal application?

9. Would having an active US GC(if I successfully obtain single/multiple re-entry permit) have any impact on the Canadian citizenship application?

10. Finally, any idea if not using my US immigrant visa OR giving up US green card would have any impact on my chances of obtaining another US GC through my wife's spousal sponsorship 4-5 years from now, once we are Canadian citizens hopefully?

Inviting @itsmyid @meyakanor @hfinkel @ImmiToCanada @steaky to answer.

TIA
 
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