Liberal Critic Suggests Cons Might Try to Cancel Pending Citizenship Apps
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"They solved that with the stroke of a pen by cancelling thousands of applications. That's one way to get rid of the backlog, you just cancel the people who are in it."
"If that's what they're doing for citizens, I would not agree. But if they have some administrative method to speed things up, I would agree.... I would like to see citizenship applications proceed faster,"
Actually what this statement shows is that this guy is clueless and he is just throwing out wild guesses... one has to compare the comparable ! When the government decided to stop accepting applications and to cancel pending applications in 2012, these were applications of people who were either temporary or out of the country! We are Permanent residents, we are PART of Canada, the charter protects us...
"If that's what they're doing for citizens, I would not agree. But if they have some administrative method to speed things up, I would agree.... I would like to see citizenship applications proceed faster,"
Actually what this statement shows is that this guy is clueless and he is just throwing out wild guesses... one has to compare the comparable ! When the government decided to stop accepting applications and to cancel pending applications in 2012, these were applications of people who were either temporary or out of the country! We are Permanent residents, we are PART of Canada, the charter protects us...
Well, our politicians act once they feel that there is a public demand to act... so if we don't force them to act, they won't move a finger in our favour, all of them, from the extreme left to the extreme right of the spectrum!
Torries are not bad people in general, some of them are even very nice individuals with whom anyone can enjoy a cup of freshly brewed Java... we just have to make them understand that we are nice too and that they would profit a lot more electorally if they make us like them, if we don't like them, this means trouble - and honestly, it does mean a lot of trouble! They are going towards a very difficult fight in 2015 and chances are that most of them will loose their jobs... do they want us to contribute to their falling ?
Personally, I'm a lost case for them, they will never win any part of me other than my dispair and my desolation about the fact they have been in power for far too long... but i'm sure that some other immigrants would gladly vote for them !
Torries are not bad people in general, some of them are even very nice individuals with whom anyone can enjoy a cup of freshly brewed Java... we just have to make them understand that we are nice too and that they would profit a lot more electorally if they make us like them, if we don't like them, this means trouble - and honestly, it does mean a lot of trouble! They are going towards a very difficult fight in 2015 and chances are that most of them will loose their jobs... do they want us to contribute to their falling ?
Personally, I'm a lost case for them, they will never win any part of me other than my dispair and my desolation about the fact they have been in power for far too long... but i'm sure that some other immigrants would gladly vote for them !
I disagree. What Mr. McCallum said is that this is how the Conservatives "resolved" existing problems with skilled worker application backlog. So, the precedent is out there. All he is saying is, if that is the solution, he would disagree with it.ramsfe said:
The Charter protects citizens, but legislation still applies and if the legislation is held to be a reasonable limit on rights, then it will stand. It matters not one whit whether you are in the country or not. Furthermore, by the time any Charter challenge to such legislation had made its way through the courts, the backlog would be dealt with, so, it would be a moot point.
.... what do you call a Reasonable limit on rights ? stripping hard working immigrants of their dreams is reasonable ? adding hardship to the lives of many canadian families is reasonable ? Retroactively applying a law on people in a way that those who live in areas where CIC is slow will get collectivel punished is reasonable ? Wasting tax payers money that was used to pay all those who are currently working hard on our applications is reasonable ?Halo said:
We are permanent residents, we HAVE rights, it is the government's responsability to respect our rights and to be fair, if they decide to act as dumb as conservative school of taught teaches, then we can, and many of us in fact WILL use every mean to make their lives much more difficult that they ever expected till the next elections come up, and then, they will come and beg to get their jobs back and chances are that they won't get them back...that day, they will probably cry because the employement insurance won't be there to support them because they have abolished most of it !
Canadians are much smarter and much more welcoming than what this middle ages government is proving to be.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was led to believe that non-citizens (regardless of other status) have virtually no voting rights in Canada, and therefore almost no political power.
So, from a politicians point of view, they want to appease the people that can vote for them, rather than the people who might, one day (when they are no longer worried about being voted for, retired etc...).
So, if the general mass of Canadian citizens, who are eligible to vote at the next elections, say "make it much harder to become a citizen, and while you are at it, flush the backlog", who do you think todays politicians are going to follow?
Yours (and mine) future votes are of limited interest as they want power NOW.
So, from a politicians point of view, they want to appease the people that can vote for them, rather than the people who might, one day (when they are no longer worried about being voted for, retired etc...).
So, if the general mass of Canadian citizens, who are eligible to vote at the next elections, say "make it much harder to become a citizen, and while you are at it, flush the backlog", who do you think todays politicians are going to follow?
Yours (and mine) future votes are of limited interest as they want power NOW.
I completely agree with zardoz's post above - this is the reality whether those of us here like it or not. Now add to that the fact that the majority of Canadian citizens are in favour of tougher citizenship laws and it's clear that no politician is ever going to campaign in favour of softer rules - I don't care what party they belong to. Interestingly enough some recent polls have shown that the citizenship group most in favour of stronger citizenship laws are those who have naturalized (i.e. those who received citizenship through immigrating rather than being born here).
Yes - retroactive laws are allowed. However I don't believe they would ever try to pass a retroactive law for citizenship (i.e. return citizenship application that are already in process but not yet finalized) because the optics of this would be very bad. Just my opinion of course.
Yes - retroactive laws are allowed. However I don't believe they would ever try to pass a retroactive law for citizenship (i.e. return citizenship application that are already in process but not yet finalized) because the optics of this would be very bad. Just my opinion of course.
Just to be clear, I am not saying that it is impossible!
All I am saying is that we can be totally opposed to it and to show those who are stigmatising us that we have a voice too.... yes, we don't vote, but we can still SPEAK !
All I am saying is that we can be totally opposed to it and to show those who are stigmatising us that we have a voice too.... yes, we don't vote, but we can still SPEAK !