Crap!!! Everyone from my circle in Calgary (all immigrants) is paid from 150 k per year. I am talking 25 average people at least I know personally. And it's not limited to oil and gas jobs only. Among them are finance analysts, bank workers (senior level), contract and procurement specialists. So please change the record. If someone is a PHd in history or literature (for example) from a third world country who is obviously not competitive in his/her aspirations of acquiring highly paid jobs but still chooses to settle in Vancouver or Montreal instead if going to a place like Fortmcmurry, Calgary, fort saint jones or other less fancy but higher remuneration places - tough luck. Suck it up, accept and do something about it. Something other than never ending whining about discrimination of highly educated immigrants (who of course were of high demand and on big dime back home) by "heartless", "discriminating Canadians".turboracer said:
Leaving Canada after applying citizenship
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rmust
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Some immigrants lead a good successful life in Canada, and some do not. There are limited good opportunities out there, and the ones who are qualified and lucky get those opportunities.
This is how society is in any country in the world, some are successful and other are not so much. You can not blame Canada for this, it is not a perfect country for opportunities, but it is much better than many other first world countries.
This is how society is in any country in the world, some are successful and other are not so much. You can not blame Canada for this, it is not a perfect country for opportunities, but it is much better than many other first world countries.
Lets focus on the general picture, not on the exceptions.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/immigrants-get-fewer-jobs-earn-less-1.1092938
here we can see..
Despite having generally higher levels of education, new Canadians earn less than their native-born peers and are less likely to have a job...
"While Canada has done a great job of attracting foreign talent, integrating newcomers effectively has proven to be more of a challenge,"
Wage gap
In 2005, the entire population of immigrants working full time in Canada earned about $45,000 on average yearly. For recent immigrants, the average salary drops to just $28,700.
In addition to wage discrepancies, the report highlights a growing disparity in who's even able to get a job.
My conclusion is also that the new comers have very limited possibilities compared to 15-20 years ago, and of course they will prefer to leave.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/immigrants-get-fewer-jobs-earn-less-1.1092938
here we can see..
Despite having generally higher levels of education, new Canadians earn less than their native-born peers and are less likely to have a job...
"While Canada has done a great job of attracting foreign talent, integrating newcomers effectively has proven to be more of a challenge,"
Wage gap
In 2005, the entire population of immigrants working full time in Canada earned about $45,000 on average yearly. For recent immigrants, the average salary drops to just $28,700.
In addition to wage discrepancies, the report highlights a growing disparity in who's even able to get a job.
My conclusion is also that the new comers have very limited possibilities compared to 15-20 years ago, and of course they will prefer to leave.
If opportunities are so limited in Canada, why not go where it's better and leave behind Canada and Canadian citizenship?
The point is that even with limited opportunities, Canada is the number 2 or number 3 country in the world in terms of better life for immigrant. People are making much more in the so called low-paying jobs here in Canada than they will make in any other country that is willing to welcome them.
Do what you want to do but you really need to stop whining and instead say thank you to Canada.
The point is that even with limited opportunities, Canada is the number 2 or number 3 country in the world in terms of better life for immigrant. People are making much more in the so called low-paying jobs here in Canada than they will make in any other country that is willing to welcome them.
Do what you want to do but you really need to stop whining and instead say thank you to Canada.
CanadianCountry
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@RussCan,
Please share links for oil&gas engineering jobs for engineers with non-oil&gas experience.
Please share links for oil&gas engineering jobs for engineers with non-oil&gas experience.
RussCan said:
I don't understand when you feel you don't have a future here... you might just need to look harder... there are thousands who are working here, dreaming that one day they might get a PR... we all are fighting for it...you just need to be a little stronger
When the people realize that they have invested all their money for a bad idea, they don't want to leave empty handed. They want to take at least something. The citizenship is like a small compensation, because actually they really don't want to live here anymore.
For clarity: make no mistake, even though the current law does not involve consideration of post-application absences in the calculation of residency, CIC has implemented a number of practices which tend to, at the least, make the process significantly longer and more difficult for applicants who leave Canada to live or work elsewhere while the application is pending.
From RQ to summary termination of applications for any failure to appear as scheduled, to flags in FOSS and most likely more extensive security and other background checks, the applicant who leaves Canada after applying is likely to encounter significant hurdles, and is likely to be dealing with a CIC that digs for any justification it can dig up to deny citizenship.
The "intent to reside" provision in Bill C-24 did not appear out of thin air. It reflects the values of the government, perhaps mostly the current Conservative government, but probably also the values of a majority of Canadians. Even though this provision will not apply to now pending applications, it nonetheless signals the attitude of the government toward those who leave Canada while the application is pending, or who are planning to leave Canada once they have a Canadian passport.
As for the other aspect of the discussion, there is no doubt that many more people are coming to Canada than leaving. Leaving is the exception. Indeed, immigration is Canada's primary source of growth in population.
From RQ to summary termination of applications for any failure to appear as scheduled, to flags in FOSS and most likely more extensive security and other background checks, the applicant who leaves Canada after applying is likely to encounter significant hurdles, and is likely to be dealing with a CIC that digs for any justification it can dig up to deny citizenship.
The "intent to reside" provision in Bill C-24 did not appear out of thin air. It reflects the values of the government, perhaps mostly the current Conservative government, but probably also the values of a majority of Canadians. Even though this provision will not apply to now pending applications, it nonetheless signals the attitude of the government toward those who leave Canada while the application is pending, or who are planning to leave Canada once they have a Canadian passport.
As for the other aspect of the discussion, there is no doubt that many more people are coming to Canada than leaving. Leaving is the exception. Indeed, immigration is Canada's primary source of growth in population.
"The "intent to reside" provision in Bill C-24 did not appear out of thin air. It reflects the values of the government, perhaps mostly the current Conservative government, but probably also the values of a majority of Canadians. Even though this provision will not apply to now pending applications, it nonetheless signals the attitude of the government toward those who leave Canada while the application is pending, or who are planning to leave Canada once they have a Canadian passport."
...which is why I am not going to travel...anywhere outside Canada...until I become a citizen. Even if I am under provisions before C-24, I have the sneaking suspicion that CO's will implement this "intent" themselves in their processing in applications, and I do not want to give them anything that would let then exercise that option.
...which is why I am not going to travel...anywhere outside Canada...until I become a citizen. Even if I am under provisions before C-24, I have the sneaking suspicion that CO's will implement this "intent" themselves in their processing in applications, and I do not want to give them anything that would let then exercise that option.
No doubt that the government is aware how much new Canadians are leaving the country for good. That's why they try to hold with administrative difficulties those who are pending. They are aware of that big problem.
Why they don't want to show the real numbers... how many people are leaving the country after they get the citizenship... of course they will never publish such a statistic.
They would not change the law if it was about a minority overall number... that means huge chunk of people are leaving constantly... the balance is from those on temporary visas, but if we exclude them and focus only on the new citizens ... but we never gonna see the real ratio. From the reaction of the government that ratio is disturbing which can show that the problem is big.
Why they don't want to show the real numbers... how many people are leaving the country after they get the citizenship... of course they will never publish such a statistic.
They would not change the law if it was about a minority overall number... that means huge chunk of people are leaving constantly... the balance is from those on temporary visas, but if we exclude them and focus only on the new citizens ... but we never gonna see the real ratio. From the reaction of the government that ratio is disturbing which can show that the problem is big.
just hang in there. i been in your situation before, the best job I could find when I landed here is in a fast food restaurant, I like it but its difficult (I had a very good paying job back then) but i didint give up. I even sell some property back home support my self. I study for almost 2 years. Now I been in a very good company for almost 2 years. I almost give up before but take my experience as an example. Now I got my citizenship and a good job. Hang in there buddy ;o)turboracer said:
Who said one does not need to have experience in the field of application to be become successful applicant?! I have never implied that. If you are a generalist engineer, for example, without specific area of expertise your chances of getting a well-paid job in the oil and gas – are slim. Add to that an accent (often not fluent English) and they become even slimmer. However, back in his or her country under the same scenario, the chances for success are similarly slim. This is my point. I am a genuine believer that immigrant workers in Canada, by and large, ARE NOT disadvantaged in any form or shape in their endeavors of finding highly paid jobs by prejudice against the mere fact of them being immigrants. The selection criteria is usually (most of the times) meritorious in nature, and is based on what skills the applicant possesses, and most importantly what, if at all, makes him / her to outstand professionally. Such skills include not only and mainly technical expertise but behavioral, managerial, leadership, linguistic (yes, surprise, surprise! - to be highly paid one needs to possess eloquence of speech and presentational skills in ENGLISH! Because this is (for those who forgot) an English speaking country). These are what determines the level of pay bigger and smaller corporations or businesses are willing to offer to the successful candidate. Not where he or she is from. I work amid lots of immigrants from Nigeria, China, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Russia, Georgia, Pakistan the list is long, who are higher salary grades than many Anglo-Saxon 3-4th generation Canadians. I know that for a fact because some of them work in my team and I am privy to their remuneration information.CanadianCountry said:
I do believe, and so I have done all my life, that every man is the architect of his own fortune, and whether he or she will be successful largely, I repeat, largely depends on one's will, energy and perseverance, be that at home country or abroad.
When I was applying to become a PR back in 2001, I was short of the passing points, as at that time the passing mark was 73 and with just a bachelor degree for education and no French I was short of 3 points and did not qualify. I had to, literally, persuade David Cohen (the owner of this site) to take my money and represent me. He was not willing to at the beginning as he fairly concluded that my application would be unsuccessful being short of points. I could have just taken the stance of an “insulted innocence” and bad mouth Canada until this day for having not tailored the immigration selection qualification criteria to condescend to my personal realities. But I chose the way of perseverance and not accepting no for an answer. I did my research (I, instead of David whose job it was, one would argue) and found a “loophole” known as “substituted evaluation”. When applied under the substituted evaluation, the review officer is vested with the decision making power – he can add points to a case based on merits of the applicant and his likelihood to secure a good life in Canada. I was accepted. Took me 7 long years of waiting. But I was accepted. When that happened in 2008, I was a very senior level in an oil and gas company in Russia far-east making a lot of money. I knew that I would be able to get a decent salary in Canada but never that much. So for me it was not an economical drive to immigrate but rather an aspiration of a better (safety, dignity, society) life for my kids and myself. Even though I was sure I would find a well-paid job in Canada, and despite having a significant financial cushion should I lose my cash stream, I still opted to bring the family over and rotate back and force for 3 months before I secured a good job. Suncor, the biggest oil and gas Canadian company, and the first company I worked for in Canada, had to rewrite the offer of employment 3 times to meet my expectations and to have me (an immigrant!) to accept. So please don't tell me about us immigrants being discriminated just because of being from elsewhere.
This long post was not meant to demonstrate how great and successful I am personally. But rather to underscore the notion of equality, meritocracy of the Canadian society and, most importantly, personal skills and merits that are and will always be the main drive for success in any country.