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Landing Appointment Refused on No Grounds at 200 Catherines St. Ottawa,On

YYZguy416

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You went through this as a Canadian who was born in Canada and who is a native speaker. Now, imagine how those same officers would treat someone who is new in Canada.


Dorothea1 said:
Hi Can somebody please tell me what is going on?
I am a Canadian citizen who met my husband in Germany where I was teaching English four years ago. We married in Germany and then last year I decided that I wanted to return to Canada so that I could complete my degree. My husband agreed to come with me, and so I sponsored him through the family class. We received the approval in principal, his open work permit, and my approval of sponsorship on December 12th 2012. Then in March 2013 his medical/security checks were cleared. He received a letter of invitation to 200 Catherines Street in Ottawa.Ontario to have his landing day appointment processed. When there we were asked to pay the landing fee of $490.00 however we had the receipt of online payment with us, which the agent would not accept.The CIC agent then commented that if we would overpay the overpayment balance would be reimbursed. I shook my head No. She was then able to locate a scanned copy and we were asked to sit down. We waited another ten minutes and then were called up to their counter again and asked to provide ID. My husband's ID was fine, but my G1 Drivers License still had our old address because I changed the address on line. I did have my SIN Card and passport though. The agents asked us to go home and retrieve a utility bill. Since we pay our bills online we only had a welcome letter from Bell, but I brought about eight other documents showing that I resided at that address. When we drove back to the office they again refused these documents. We were then directed to go to Ottawa City Hall and retrieve proof that I had changed my address online. This we received and again brought it back to the office. This was again refused even though it clearly stated from the manager that I had changed my address online for both my health card and drivers license. They did not process my husband's landing appointment and left us with the statement "We will be sending you a letter." When questioned what their names were they refused to give them and they also refused to say when we would receive this letter. My husband and I were absolutely devastated :eek: since this whole process had been extremely draining for us both. We left the office and immediately went to our local Federal MP, where we presented all the aforementioned documents. We mailed correspondence to Vegreville, AB, we emailed Diane Finlay, who transferred our email to Jason Kenney. We notified the RCMP with regards to the unusual request for money initially at the CIC office, when we had already paid the landing fee, and finally we notified an immigration lawyer, who stated that she had never heard of this before. We phoned the CIC call center number to make a formal complaint. On May 22nd, 2013 an investigator called me to firstly apologize and then to confirm that we would be getting a second landing day appointment. When I called them back at the end of the week for the update, I was told that the Supervisors of the call center are directing the supervisors of 200 Catherines Street to schedule a second landing date appointment for my husband, however they are not getting through to 200 Catherines Street. It looks like I will now have to pay an immigration lawyer to enforce the scheduling of a second landing appointment, since the 200 Catherines street office is not complying witheir own procedures. I am so utterly frustrated that I even emailed the Ottawa Citizen and PM Harper himself. How can something like this possibly ever happen in Canada ? :mad:
 

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parker24 said:
I don't doubt it. Thankfully you are in another province and nowhere near Ottawa or Toronto :)
Just a short 3 day drive and I'm there.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
bickering and fighting is not going to resolve any issues, and we are all on this forum because we have problems that we would like resolved..so let us be supportive towards one another in achieving this aim...how about it?
True. I apologize.

Have you tried to e-mail the office? I'm curious to know if they even are aware of the behaviour of some officers.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
Hi,

I have emailed Jason Kenney and PM Harper.My husband and I went in person to the Federal MP. I sent a letter with supporting documentation to CPC Vegreville and now today I have finally retained a top lawyer.
Keep the heat on. That was the only way I was able to get our application completed. I wouldn't expect to here anything from Harper. He is in hiding. Has a little problem with his Senators.
I'm sure the lawyer will help you draw interest.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
Human rights in this country are only enforced if you can pay for your human right to be enforced i.e. by retaining a lawyer
There are lots of liberal media. As long as you can get them to sell it so it embarrasses the current regime then that is the only avenue for the cash poor.

I feel for your situation. It should never have gone beyond letting your spouse land.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
Who are the Liberal media and how do I contact them?
The CBC would be a good start. The Toronto Star is not very affectionate to the Conservative set. You could actually send your story to all the media and see who bites.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
Thanks I will see how I contact CBC. I have never had to contact the media before for anything. I hope that it will not hurt our case.
If it does hurt your case then they are being intentionally malicious. Not necessarily the hallmark of a democratic government.
 

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Story sounds so familiar (the part about the address) to ours trying to get a provincial Health Card. Hmmm, I'd have said go and 'flag-pole' at the nearest border, but your app must have been 'inland' so you don't have a COPR to do that with.

Now this certainly should not have happened but chalk up another +1 to 'outland' apps and/or a -1 to 'inland' apps.
 

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truesmile said:
Story sounds so familiar (the part about the address) to ours trying to get a provincial Health Card. Hmmm, I'd have said go and 'flag-pole' at the nearest border, but your app must have been 'inland' so you don't have a COPR to do that with.

Now this certainly should not have happened but chalk up another +1 to 'outland' apps and/or a -1 to 'inland' apps.
If you re-read the OP story, they showed up for the spouses "landing" on an In Canada spousal application. Their ID had different addresses. If I was the VO I would make the same conclusion that their's did, that they weren't living together.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
Is the COPR that legal size document with the applicant's two photos attached to it?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob402.asp

Upon approval of a permanent resident (PR) application where the applicant has legal status in Canada, the visa office forwards the CoPR document, IMM 5688, and the passport containing the visa counterfoil, if required, to the applicant’s address in Canada. The applicant has the option to contact an inland CIC to arrange landing (OB 076) or they may finalize processing at a port of entry if they are exempt from the visa counterfoil requirement (OB 348) or if they have a permanent resident visa counterfoil in their passport.
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You can flagpole ? not sure
 

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What if you move to a different province and ask for a different office? you still need to go to that place?

Just a though
 

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Dorothea1 said:
We tried crossing the border from the US back into Canada yesterday and though the Canadian border guards told us that the computer showed that my husband has PR status, they were unable to land him without that long legal size letter where the two photos are attached. They waved this document at us to show us what it looked like.It is a 2 minute process at 200 Catherines Street to staple my husband's photos on the form. My husband wants to do the landing at the Canada/US border not at 200 Catherines Street.
He doesn't have a choice. His application was an Inland Spousal, so he has to "land" at an inland office, and since 200 Catherines is where the file, it is the place that he is going to have to go to.
 

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Dorothea1 said:
;) ;) Fortunately before this incident even took place we finished the purchase of a wonderful home across the river from Ottawa in the province of Quebec where we take possession on June 15th....we were not even thinking about wanting to change offices because the incident just recently took place at 200 Catherines Street...so I don't know the rules but I would imagine that if we move province our file will transfer to Montreal. From what I have seen of Quebec I really like it.....much more economical tuition fees for students..better housing...if the people do not like something they rally a legal street protest about it.....and it is under the Napoleanic law not the common law like the rest of our provinces....the common law stems from England...and look at what has happened to that country...oh incidentally since we are on the topic of the English and the earlier comment made about German people and Hitler...do you know that the English obtained power in Canada originally by purposely bringing small pox infected blankets and distributing them out to the grateful, but naive North American Indian villages, thus wiping out thousands upon thousands of North American Indians....and you think that the English should have any say at all in this country...they have time and time again proven themselves to be pirates, murderers and cannibals (In the early US there is now proof that they ate each other)....oh and incidentally the old Canadian generations from over one hundred years ago are descended from English criminals whose genes are still very clearly obvious in those people in Canada whose great-great grandparents were, some of whom may be in our current regime today......so I am really not surprised at what is taking place in Canada currently, including my situation.I am happy to be moving to Quebec however and I m beginning to see their point of view ,especially of wanting to separate from the rest of Canada, besides I like street protests, and I am sure that I will be in a few!
Now you are just getting crazy. Big difference between the empire building of the English 300 years ago compared to Hitler's final solution 60 years ago.
Small pox was one of many diseases brought to North America by Europeans....not just the English. The Americans actively tried to exterminate the aboriginals where in Canada Queen Victoria established the Northwest Mounted Police to protect aboriginals from the American purge.
Quebec is easily the most corrupt province in Canada. It has been that way for a very long time. Read the news....and welcome home.
 

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PMM said:
Hi

If you re-read the OP story, they showed up for the spouses "landing" on an In Canada spousal application. Their ID had different addresses. If I was the VO I would make the same conclusion that their's did, that they weren't living together.
Exactly! No need to re-read. Perhaps I didn't want to belittle the situation by calling it an 'address' issue. But if they had shown up with matching addresses, all could have been fine. The aforementioned "letter" is not on their 'short list' of acceptable documents as proof of address.