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KINDLY HELP ! (SINP REFUSED FROM LVO BASED ON IELTS RESULTS)

cho123

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May 27, 2014
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This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada as a member of the provincial nominee class.
I have reviewed your application and all of the information you have provided in support of it and it appears that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) provides that a foreign national must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or any other document required by the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of the Act.
The provincial nominee class is an economic immigrant category. Provincial nominees are described on Citizenship and Immigration's official website (www.cic.gc.ca) as people who “have the skills, education and work experience needed to make an immediate economic contribution to the province or territory that nominates them." Subsection 87 of Canada's Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR) describes the provincial nominee class as "a class of persons who may become permanent residents on the basis of their ability to become economically established in Canada" and are named in a nomination certificate issued by the government of a province under a provincial nomination agreement between that province and the Minister; and ... intend to reside in the province that has nominated them." Provincial nominees are further described on www.cic.gc.ca as those candidates nominated by a province or territory "who would be most likely to settle effectively into the economic and social life of the region." In order for applicants to become economically established it is expected that they will be able to obtain employment in Canada and already have the abilities, education, and work experience which will enable them to procure employment. Nominations issued by provinces are considered as initial evidence that nominees have the ability to become economically established in Canada and will be of economic benefit to the province and have met the requirements of the province’s Provincial Nominee Program. Canada is responsible for exercising the final selection authority and ensuring that applicants admitted under the program have met the requirements for membership in the economic class. Notwithstanding your nomination by a province or territory, I am not satisfied that the information provided with your permanent residence application indicates you have the ability to become economically established in Canada or that you otherwise meet the definition of a provincial nominee as per Subsection 87 of the IRPR.
Included with your application for permanent residence was definitive evidence of your English language proficiency in the form of an International English Language Testing System (IELTS) test result. These results showed that you had received an overall band score of
4.5 which is described by IELTS as “Limited User: Basic competence is limited to familiar situations. Has frequent problems in understanding and expression. Is not able to use complex language”. Your individual band scores for listening (4.5) and speaking (4.5) are also those of a “Limited User”. Your individual band score for writing (5.0) is in the range described by IELTS as “Modest user: Has partial command of the language, coping with overall meaning in most situations, though is likely to make many mistakes. Should be able to handle basic communication in own field”. Your individual band score for reading (3.5) is in the range described by IELTS "Extremely limited user: conveys and understands only general meaning in very familiar situations. Frequent breakdowns in communication occur".
The ability to communicate effectively in one of Canada's official languages is recognized as a vitally important factor in becoming economically established. Information on the official website of Saskatchewan Immigration confirms that English is spoken everywhere in Saskatchewan and that immigrants' "chances of success...will improve if [they] can understand and speak English." Relating specifically to employment, Saskatchewan Immigration states that "To do most jobs well, a minimum of a [Canadian Language] benchmark 4 is recommended." A Canadian Language Benchmark of 4 would equate to an IELTS score of at least Listening 4.5, Reading 3.5, Writing 4.0, and Speaking 4.0, and would be considered the most basic level of English language proficiency.
The SINP has also stated that nominees must have "the English language ability either to do the job you have been offered by a Saskatchewan employer or to get a job in your field of education or training." You do not indicate having been offered a job by a Saskatchewan employer. The occupation in which you have been nominated is elementary school and kindergarten teacher. The only occupation in which you have experience is as a teacher, although I note that it is as a computer teacher and not an elementary school and kindergarten teacher. Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC) through the Government of Canada’s Job Bank website identifies oral communication, reading, writing, and document use as among the essential skills to perform work as an elementary school and kindergarten teacher. The complexity levels of tasks described by ESDC as generally performed by the majority of workers in the occupation of elementary school and kindergarten teacher can range from the basic to the advanced.
Reading tasks described by the ESDC essential skills profile as being of advanced complexity include reading textbooks and curriculum guides, reading a wide range of trade publications, and reading a wide variety of stories, essays and other texts written by students. Oral communication tasks described by the ESDC essential skills profile as being of advanced complexity include teaching basic subjects, speaking with parents, psychologists and social workers, and facilitating and leading extra-curricular activities. It appears reasonable therefore to expect that high English language proficiency in reading, listening and speaking would be required to accomplish the full range of reading and oral communication tasks it would be reasonable to expect of work as an elementary school and kindergarten teacher. Your demonstrated English language proficiency is at only a basic level in reading, listening and speaking. Writing tasks described by the ESDC essential skills profile as being of moderate complexity include writing student evaluation reports and writing intervention plans for children with learning or psychosocial difficulties. It appears reasonable therefore to expect that at least moderate English language proficiency in writing would be required to accomplish the full range of writing tasks it would be reasonable to expect of work as an elementary school and kindergarten teacher. Your demonstrated English language proficiency is only at a basic level in writing.
You have indicated that your intended occupation in Canada is early childhood educator. ESDC through the Government of Canada’s Job Bank website identifies oral communication, reading, writing, and document use as among the essential skills to perform work as an early childhood educator. The complexity levels of tasks described by ESDC as generally performed by the majority of workers in the occupation of early childhood educator range from the basic to the advanced. Reading tasks described by the ESDC essential skills profile as being of advanced complexity include reading policy and procedure manuals, curriculum and instruction guides, legislation and contracts. It appears reasonable therefore to expect that high English language proficiency in reading would be required to accomplish the full range of reading tasks it would be reasonable to expect of work as an early childhood educator. Your demonstrated English language proficiency is only at a basic level in reading. Oral communication tasks described by the ESDC essential skills profile as being of moderate complexity include discussing ongoing work with co-workers and colleagues, and organizing and leading discussions of children’s progress with parents, caregivers and guardians. It appears reasonable therefore to expect that moderate English language proficiency in listening and speaking would be required to accomplish the full range of oral communication tasks it would be reasonable to expect of work as an early childhood educator. Your demonstrated English language proficiency is only at a basic level in listening and speaking.
With the level of English language ability you have demonstrated I am not satisfied that you would be able to perform the tasks of the occupation for which you have been nominated, and also in which you indicate having previous experience. As well, in order to be a teacher in Saskatchewan, one must also obtain teacher certification for which fluency in English or French would be a requirement. It does not appear that you have the English language proficiency to obtain teacher certification in Saskatchewan or to successfully complete additional training which you may need in order to be eligible for certification. With the level of English language ability you have demonstrated , I am also not satisfied that you would be able to perform the tasks of your intended occupation. Therefore, I am not satisfied that you would be able to become employed in Canada or, if you did find employment, that it would be of a sufficient level for you to become economically established. I have also noted that your nomination indicates you may have support of family members in Saskatchewan but support by, and reliance on, family members would not be considered economic establishment and would not be sufficient to outweigh the concerns over your low level of English language ability, your lack of teacher certification, and your lack of experience in any other occupation.

A copy of this letter is also being sent to the nominating province to advise of the possible refusal of your application and the reasons for it. The province has 90 days to raise concerns or seek clarification from the visa office regarding the assessment of your application, after which the final decision will be made. If you have further information you wish to have considered, you must submit it within the same 90-day time period.

SINP APROVED US BASED ON ABOVE MENTIONED IELTS SCORES. SCORE STILL MEETS WITH THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT STATED ON THE SINP WEBSITE FOR (LISTENING, READING, WRITING AND SPEAKING).
THE LETTER SEEMS TO IMPLIFY THAT THEY WILL BE SEARCHING FOR THE JOBS AS SOON AS THEY HAVE ARIVED. WHEN THIS IS NOT THE CASE, EVEN TEACHING JUST ESL WOULD NEED TRAINING/CERTIFICATION ETC. WHICH TRAINS POEPLE FIRST AND THEN FURTHER EXPERIENCE IS GAINED IN THE FIELD. KINDLY SOME-ONE/ ALL OF YOU, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR KIND INPUTS AND LET ME KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE TO TURN THIS DECISION AROUND IN 90 DAYS. THANKS IN ADVANCE READING SUCH A HUGE EMAIL. KINDLY REPLY WITH AN INPUT !
 

cho123

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May 27, 2014
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caind8714 said:
what you have shown your current occupation
Elementary/Kindergarten Teacher (NOC Code 4142). Thanks for replying caind8714, any ideas how to go about it?

IELTS Average is 4.5 Band (Combined Listening, Reading, Writing and Listening ). In a nutshell they are saying that it is not sufficient score to pursue and be successful in the profession or Canadian life style. Where-as SINP requirement on IMMIGRATION WEBSITE, the ielts score has met the minimum requirements.

Seniors and other members, please your advice and recommendations are highly required and appreciated. Thanks
 

Jessica_chen

Hero Member
Jan 20, 2014
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Hi
Is that your case? I have heard the same rejection happened before. That one was also from SINP and rejected based on the IELTS, 4.5.
 

cho123

Full Member
May 27, 2014
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Jessica_chen said:
Hi
Is that your case? I have heard the same rejection happened before. That one was also from SINP and rejected based on the IELTS, 4.5.
I just got a reply yesterday. If someone had the same letter, did they open a thread? As looking into the members answers might help me with coping to this problem?.

gurpreet86: It was not my case but the family members we had sponsored. NOC (4142 Elementary/Kindergarten Teacher)
Applied in Nov 2011.
Nomination: Sep 14,2013
CIO NS APPLIED: Dec 2013
File transferred to LVO: 24 FEb,2014.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE A SUGGESTION. PLEASE ANSWER. Thanks
 

gambler_2006

Hero Member
Jul 14, 2012
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How can you sponsor someone through SINP?? I have checked the website but there is no such stream to sponsor family??
Correct me if i am wrong
 

karenv

Hero Member
Jul 8, 2014
324
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Just an idea. You may propose a plan to improve the applicant's English skill. At the same time. Ask the applicant to spend his full time to study English. Take IELTS exam again and try to get a better grade.
 

taurus1985

Hero Member
Mar 10, 2014
552
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gambler_2006 said:
How can you sponsor someone through SINP?? I have checked the website but there is no such stream to sponsor family??
Correct me if i am wrong
there used to be a sponsor ship category in SINP//
 

canadavisa13

Champion Member
Jun 13, 2013
1,100
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Hi cho123,

sorry to hear about your family member's rejection.
i have to agree with the visa officer in making this decision.how can you expect someone with a low english level to be a teacher,the job the applicant's intend to do in saskatchewan specifically and canada generally requires a very good level of english or french as one of canada's official languages.
the honest truth,the applicant's IELTS score shows that he/she won't be able to economically establish himself/herself in canada and language is really important for newcomers.the score he/she has won't even grant him a low skilled job in canada,just tell me how will he/she communicate with co-workers not even that how will he/she communicate with the hiring manager during an interview?????
 

Lucky_mkd

Star Member
Feb 19, 2012
187
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
31.05.2013
Nomination.....
02.01.2014
AOR Received.
01.06.2013
File Transfer...
Sent CIO 30.01.2014 AOR CIO 02.03.2014
Med's Request
10.12.2014
Med's Done....
19.12.2014
Passport Req..
29.12.2014
VISA ISSUED...
20.01.2015
LANDED..........
August :)
canadavisa13 said:
Hi cho123,

sorry to hear about your family member's rejection.
i have to agree with the visa officer in making this decision.how can you expect someone with a low english level to be a teacher,the job the applicant's intend to do in saskatchewan specifically and canada generally requires a very good level of english or french as one of canada's official languages.
the honest truth,the applicant's IELTS score shows that he/she won't be able to economically establish himself/herself in canada and language is really important for newcomers.the score he/she has won't even grant him a low skilled job in canada,just tell me how will he/she communicate with co-workers not even that how will he/she communicate with the hiring manager during an interview?????
I Think the reason for REJECTION is Together IELTS ->and WORK. Because some work ask for excellent language, and some ask for Basic 4,and i think that is the reason for REJECTION, hi saying that hi will be teacher with Basic English this is the mistake, if u was NURSE AID or some other low paid jobs, i think u can pass with Basic english. That is what i think.
 

canadavisa13

Champion Member
Jun 13, 2013
1,100
52
Lucky_mkd,

that is a very bad example you gave,a nurse aid requires a good level of language to communicate with patients and co-workers at least that is what we have here in canada,im not sure about your country of origin maybe they don't even need to go to school ;D hahaha
 

Lucky_mkd

Star Member
Feb 19, 2012
187
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
31.05.2013
Nomination.....
02.01.2014
AOR Received.
01.06.2013
File Transfer...
Sent CIO 30.01.2014 AOR CIO 02.03.2014
Med's Request
10.12.2014
Med's Done....
19.12.2014
Passport Req..
29.12.2014
VISA ISSUED...
20.01.2015
LANDED..........
August :)
canadavisa13 said:
Lucky_mkd,

that is a very bad example you gave,a nurse aid requires a good level of language to communicate with patients and co-workers at least that is what we have here in canada,im not sure about your country of origin maybe they don't even need to go to school ;D hahaha
Canadavisa13 for sure in mine country u have to go to school,but i was comparing with NOC cod 3413 Nurse Aid is under C -Low Skilled languages so i just give example why hi was rejected, because for teacher u need excellent English. And btw IELST test is not good example how good know English i know people who are excellent with English but with the test IELTS they have bad score...
 

caind8714

Full Member
Jul 18, 2014
35
4
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
@ cho123

Well the basic reason for your refusal is your low Ielts score. Sinp accepts the minimum ielts score of 4 bands bt this requirement is not for all occupations . For example a manager having ielts score of 4 bands will likely get refusal and a welder or plumber having ielts score of 4 bands is acceptable. So, in your case your occupation which is playway teacher your ielts score should have been at least 5.5 or 6 bands.
Now just improve your english and apply again. I dont know why Sinp gave you nomination without considering your IELTS score.
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
95,835
22,107
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
I agree with everyone else. You were appropriately refused based on your very low IELTS score. I think the only way you can turn this decision around is if you are able to re-write IELTS in the next 90 days and score a minimum of 6 in each category.