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IT Project Managers (0213) transitioning into Cab Drivers (007)

GeorgeJoseph

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Jul 22, 2009
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Hello Everybody,

Just a quick note......whoever i speak to and whichever the website i refer to for IT job opportunities in canada and prospects for the IT guys in canada, people say that Guys worked as IT Project Managers in India (with 10+ years of experience and was earning 12 lkhs INR per annum) are the Cab Drivers in Canada (earning 15-20 k CAD). Is it true? If it is the case, why should we struggle like this applying for this Canadian PR. Holding our nerves for the positive output..waiting very anxiously for the status change in the cic website.....Is it not a waste of time?

Even the Doctors and Ph.D., are driving cabs and working in the groceries as a helper......miserable & pitiable....do we leave our country only searching for the good infrastructure and good life style?....not a good career? think guys.....sit and think.

plz. share ur thoughts and views.....bye, George
 

BobbyB

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GeorgeJoseph said:
Hello Everybody,

Just a quick note......whoever i speak to and whichever the website i refer to for IT job opportunities in canada and prospects for the IT guys in canada, people say that Guys worked as IT Project Managers in India (with 10+ years of experience and was earning 12 lkhs INR per annum) are the Cab Drivers in Canada (earning 15-20 k CAD). Is it true? If it is the case, why should we struggle like this applying for this Canadian PR. Holding our nerves for the positive output..waiting very anxiously for the status change in the cic website.....Is it not a waste of time?

Even the Doctors and Ph.D., are driving cabs and working in the groceries as a helper......miserable & pitiable....do we leave our country only searching for the good infrastructure and good life style?....not a good career? think guys.....sit and think.

plz. share ur thoughts and views.....bye, George
It is not the whole truth but part of the bitter truth.
Guy's, it's not going to be easy in any way. No pain, No Gain!! Be ready for any and everything.
In my case, I have been planning this move for the past 3 Years. So Guy's plan b4 making the move. Even after getting the PR think twice and if you think you are ready for it, then by all means.
 

AkkDivz

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May 31, 2009
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Category........
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New Delhi
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Job Offer........
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App. Filed.......
22-07-2009
Doc's Request.
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AOR Received.
21-01-2010
File Transfer...
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George - i get the impression that u r completely muddled due to lack of quality inputs abt Canada and opportunities there.
It is true that the world is going through a very tough time economically and Canada cant escape the brunt as well. Wherever you go today , be it Canada or the US or Europe, you will have a tough time finding a job.
On the other hand, it isnt true that all of them who get there are driving cabs or filling gas.
You should go with an open mind of course.Till the time you find a good job that suits your experience , you shouldnt mind filling up gas or take up small time jobs, if you want to keep urself busy and support your living .
Your question on whether its worth taking all this pain to get there is a million dollar question which can be answered by only one person - ie yourself. You know your priorities better than anyone , you know ur risk appetite better than anyone , and u know ur aspirations better than anyone . All i can tell you is speak to a varied group of ppl from whom u can gather diverse inputs which will help u make a good decision . There are always going to be gloomy stories floating around , but there isnt a shortage of a bunch of good ones as well! Cheers
 

sheldon

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Aug 11, 2009
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I do not want to believe this is correct. If this is the case I have to thing about by immigration plan again!. Currently I am well settled in India with a decent job. I hope this is due to the recession that is happening all over the world. Prefer expert's comments on this, especially with some who is already in Canada.
 

rocky272727

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May 21, 2009
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sheldon said:
I do not want to believe this is correct. If this is the case I have to thing about by immigration plan again!. Currently I am well settled in India with a decent job. I hope this is due to the recession that is happening all over the world. Prefer expert's comments on this, especially with some who is already in Canada.
Guys, this is as per my information. Even if you go to London or USA or Australia, and you are a Charted Accountant or a Doctor or any profession:-

1. You need certain level of education which is local to the country you going so as to adapt to the working norms and culture.
2. You need some local work experience in order to get a job or your line.
3. You need ample amount of work experience in you own country and have a decent resume with a reputed corporation that you knock some Canadian companies mail box and they get impressed by your achievements.

All I would like to highlight is that, you can get the job you want, but you have to work hard for it there. There are many people who are filling for immigration from various parts of the world waiting for 3-6 years for a better living. Everybody has there own plans and you have to take a call. We know the some of the developed countries have better standard of living then the developing once. Its an individuals call. Its good to take opinions and take suggestions. But it should only help you to seek an alternative rather then making you jump from one boat to the another.

I know couple of people in Canada who migrated and did the same (Part time jobs) but now have decent jobs and living.

Best of luck to everyone.
 

joogle

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Apr 30, 2009
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Check this out: Why are doctors cab drivers? It provides some good explanation.

http://immigcanada.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-are-doctors-taxi-drivers.html
 

afaraz

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Jun 30, 2009
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GeorgeJoseph said:
Hello Everybody,

Just a quick note......whoever i speak to and whichever the website i refer to for IT job opportunities in canada and prospects for the IT guys in canada, people say that Guys worked as IT Project Managers in India (with 10+ years of experience and was earning 12 lkhs INR per annum) are the Cab Drivers in Canada (earning 15-20 k CAD). Is it true? If it is the case, why should we struggle like this applying for this Canadian PR. Holding our nerves for the positive output..waiting very anxiously for the status change in the cic website.....Is it not a waste of time?

Even the Doctors and Ph.D., are driving cabs and working in the groceries as a helper......miserable & pitiable....do we leave our country only searching for the good infrastructure and good life style?....not a good career? think guys.....sit and think.

plz. share ur thoughts and views.....bye, George
You should be prepared for everything. And its true but you have to work hard and plan for it.
 

ADA

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Mar 5, 2009
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Start looking for jobs from the time you decide to move ....
 

Sonu81

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May 20, 2009
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It is not my job to encourage or discourage you but truth is that there are very high chances(even if u are good professional and smart guy) that u will end up driving taxi or truck or cashier or i dont know. Now this doesnt mean immigration is bad....it depends on ur priorities...
 

joy4u

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Jun 12, 2009
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Sonu81 said:
It is not my job to encourage or discourage you but truth is that there are very high chances(even if u are good professional and smart guy) that u will end up driving taxi or truck or cashier or i dont know. Now this doesnt mean immigration is bad....it depends on ur priorities...
I know it's not for ever. I have friends there who started with survival jobs and ended up with good ones. Good planning is required. Also, I have been to USA, actually most of my in-laws(including my mom-in-law) stay there, they immigrated some twenty years back. There's also the same situation. Again....what will you say about the students(who are citizens by birth) in those countries who take up so called "odd jobs" or part-time jobs to become financially able?
Let's not talk the partial truth but the whole one.
 

thayyib

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Jan 23, 2009
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Guys, I would suggest not to post anything regarding this in this forum. This forum is for the people willing to immigrate to Canada on a positive aspiration, to face the challenge and over come. I will give you a typical example, when we moved to our new house in the same city few years back, it was v depressing, lonely, don't know where to shop, no friends etc. Change is always difficult, no matter what. You have to look the longer picture, have high ambition and strive hard to make to make a difference or rather stay where you are and tolerate things around you.
 

joy4u

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Jun 12, 2009
260
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thayyib said:
Guys, I would suggest not to post anything regarding this in this forum. This forum is for the people willing to immigrate to Canada on a positive aspiration, to face the challenge and over come. I will give you a typical example, when we moved to our new house in the same city few years back, it was v depressing, lonely, don't know where to shop, no friends etc. Change is always difficult, no matter what. You have to look the longer picture, have high ambition and strive hard to make to make a difference or rather stay where you are and tolerate things around you.
First of all, we need to know the challenge to face and overcome it. It's always good to know the pros and cons as it helps planning. Better to know what to expect, generally.
However, pessimism, half-truth are not appreciated in this forum.
 
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rishabshanker

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Hi All,

This question has been doing the rounds of a lot of forums (all professions included)...here’s my thoughts and inputs on the issue

First of all before you decide to undergo the strenuous process of immigrating...you need to explore within yourself and find answers to the following questions.

Why do you want to immigrate? - Give this some serious deep thought. In my case, I already have a management level job a good salary and a fairly decent life in India...why do I want to move?? I want to move because I want a better quality of life for me and my family. I want the opportunity live abroad without being looked at as a second class citizen, I want the comforts and benefits provided by an economy and government which is light years ahead of my current country's (India). I have thought and decided to immigrate. I am not immigrating so that I will earn in dollars and then 10 yrs later convert that to rupees and come back and buy a flat in Bangalore and live happily....NO...I am immigrating to move bag and baggage to a new land, make it my home for the rest of my life and build a peaceful and prosperous life for me and my family...and I am willing to give it what it takes!!

applying for a PR is not the same as applying for a H1B or L1 to the USA...you don’t get a job the moment you land there, but you get the respect and privileges of being an almost citizen which a H1B or L1 will never get till they move onto a green card.

Will I get a job in Canada of my choice? -Think about it this way. Imagine a foreigner lands in India….a NON WHITE…and goes about looking for a job…assume he knows English but speaks with a very strong accent which is hard to understand, but in his head he is an expert in English. He has all the right qualifications (masters in his field from a university in his hometown which most Indians haven’t even heard of), he has the legal permission to work in India…how many companies will entertain this guy??...

How many interview calls will he get?? And even if he gets called in for an interview, how will the interviewers react when they realize he is a foreigner and has never worked in India??

Will you employ this guy if it was your company????...I guess not

In my opinion this guy will have a really tough time in getting a job…I will be surprised if he does get a job….

THIS IS OUR SITUATION WHEN WE REACH CANADA!!!...:)

Ok so now what do we do about this situation. Research, research, research and more research. By research I don’t mean sitting at home and browsing websites, that is just one method. Here are some suggested methods..This is what I have been doing and I have not even filed my papers yet!!

Professional Networking: If you already have a job in India in an MNC, then check if your company has a branch in Canada…see if you can find people there to talk to. Try and build a rapport with them. CAUTION: don’t bypass organizational hierarchies, if you are a manager and you call a VP in your Canada branch and talk to him your current boss may get suspicious or pissed off with you, do it with caution and tact. Don’t just look through your company directory and call some random person in Canada, try to find somebody who is in the same/similar line of work as you…gradually build a conversation and try to find out more about how things work there, keep this line of communication open and you will find new opportunities opening up for you, even if this does not land you a job there at least you will have a friend when you land in Canada.

Use websites like Linked In (http://www.linkedin.com) and build a professional network. See if you can find ex-colleagues who maybe in Canada, search for professional groups in Canada and join them you will receive updates on the market there through these groups. Participate in forum discussions.

Social Networking: Log into Facebook, Orkut, Wayn, ibibo or whatever other social networking sites you use and track down old friends, classmates, girlfriends..:), colleagues, relatives whoever it is and see if you can find anybody from them who is Canada…search friends of friends and their friends, msg them and talk to them build a relationship..build a network of friends. These sites also have region or profession specific groups for eg: Toronto_Doctors or something like that which will help you if you are a doc who wants to settle in Toronto. Join the group and participate in discussions, make friends and build contacts.

Websites: don’t ONLY look at the suggested websites in this forum (pls look at them also they are very informative). Run searches on google use keywords extensively for example, if I am an IT guy wanting to go to Toronto then I would use the following search terms

Toronto+IT+jobs
Toronto+IT+companies
Toronto+jobs+agencies
Toronto+immigrant+employers+IT

So on and so forth …get creative…and you will get information…DON’T TYPE SENTENCES IN THE SEARCH FIELD eg: How to get IT job in Toronto?

Again if you are an IT guy looking for a job in Canada…then go to the Canadian websites of all the top IT companies like IBM, HP, Microsoft, Dell etc and search on their individual career sections to see if there is anything suitable for you. If you are a Doctor then visit the hospital websites..if you are a teacher or prof then visit the college or university websites…so on and so forth

CAUTION: if you find suitable jobs on the sites…DON’T APPLY UNLESS YOU HAVE A PR…because if you apply without the authorization to work in Canada then there is a very good chance that the companies may blacklist you as someone who is not serious or even a spammer. Use the sites only to get an idea of the job market there. Once you get and idea you will be better placed to take a decision.

WHY DO DOCTORS DRIVE CABS and IT GUYS ARE CASHIERS etc

When you move to Canada please have realistic expectations regarding your job hunt and its result. Use the above methods to assess the market and then if people tell you it will take 3 months to land a job you should make a personal estimate of at least 6 months. This way your expectations will be more realistic, you will go there well prepared (financially and psychologically) and you will have little less pressure to settle down.
Some of you (including me) will be winding up so far successful careers in India and moving, this will lead us to the question..will I get the same position/salary/level there??

The answer to that question again lies in the foreigner example I have mentioned above…You as the hiring manager …will you recruit that guy at the same level he was at in his home country??..

Wouldn’t you be apprehensive and think?

“hey this guy says he was a senior project manager in some company in his home country, now I don’t know what he did there or what that company does, but he sounds technically sound and his communication can be improved. Let me try and get him at a slightly junior level, that way my boss wont screw me if he screws up, plus I can get a highly qualified resource at lesser than the market rate in India and then since I am giving his first job here he may stay with us and I can mould him to my company’s requirements”

Or you may possibly say…”this is uncharted waters…I don’t wanna go here and burn my fingers, let me just find the most creative reason to tell this guy I cant employ him”

Human nature and instincts work the same the world over, so before you scream out racism!!...unjust!! or any other revolutionary term, put yourself in the other man’s shoes and see.

Now if you get the job at a slightly lower level and pay then you need to be able to take a call so to get an idea of salary levels check http://www.payscale.com this site will tell you what should be the salary for your job…its only indicative..but its information and that’s good.

If you are in a rush to start making money or settling down then chances are you may end up as a cab driver..mind you its not a bad profession, you just may end up building contacts as a cab driver which may help you find a job soon…remember Deepika Padukone in “Bachna Ae Haseeno”…she was an MBA student driving a cab in Australia…she is not my best choice for an example but I just thought it would be something everybody could relate to!!

Just to put the whole cab driver thingy in perspective…think how many talented students finish B.E or B.Tech from premier institutes in India and due to some reason cant find a job and to put bread on the table take up jobs as tech support in BPOs in India…Do they lack talent???...do they lack knowledge??...what they lack is time and money….so prepare yourself well save a good amount of money and put it away as your initial post immigration expenses kitty…give yourself enough buffer time when you reach there and don’t create artificial pressure for yourself ….work steadily strongly towards your goal and you will reach it!!

All the best & God Bless

Rishab
 

sheldon

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Aug 11, 2009
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Rishab,

That is a very inspiring and informative reply. I am also well settled in India, but trying for immigration for a better quality of life. Appreciate your patience and time spend on inspiring us. For me it contains good information.