IT Manager

[summerlong]

I had 11 years running a UNIX based network for a small data processing company before moving on to a major PLC Insurance organisation running part of their Technology Services department. My direct reporting was monthly to the Document Services Manager. I'm sure it was nothing to do with experience or education.

My legal representatives have asked for an explanation as they consider the decision flawed. If that fails we could go for leave to appeal but I am hesitant to throw more money at the situation.

Good luck to all applicants, i may have just been unlucky.

 

[rocky272727]

I had 11 years running a UNIX based network for a small data processing company before moving on to a major PLC Insurance organisation running part of their Technology Services department. My direct reporting was monthly to the Document Services Manager. I'm sure it was nothing to do with experience or education.

My legal representatives have asked for an explanation as they consider the decision flawed. If that fails we could go for leave to appeal but I am hesitant to throw more money at the situation.

Good luck to all applicants, i may have just been unlucky.

Hi
I am really sorry about your rejection. If you dont mind, can you let me know what was your status online, Was it "Rec By Visa office" or it was "In Process" as I can see from the post that they started processing your case in Aug 09 but you got letter in Dec 09.

Kindly clarify if you don't mind

 

[jnathan]

O God, Summerlong,

you provided CIC with word by word copying of your duties and responsibilities !!! Am I right?
Oh ! You/ your boss should have written them as your/his own laguage.
I guess this is the prime suspicion for the rejection.
besides, cic is I guess strictly considering IT Bachelors and Masters guys for 0213.
others, Am I right in guessing that?

 

[CoolEJ]

Although the NOC code corresponds to the occupations specified in the instructions, the main duties that you listed do not indicate that you performed all of the essential duties and a substantial number of the main duties as set out in the occupational descriptions of the NOC. I am therefore not satisfied that you are a 0213 Computer and Information Systems manager.

Is it because you copied word for word the NOC 0213 description?

Since you did not provide evidence that you have work experience in any of the listed occupations, you do not meet the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions and your application is not eligible for processing

Is it because you did not provide a signed Job Desciption from your boss or HR?

We transferred your application to the London England office on April 21, 2009. The London England office may contact you.

Your application was reviewed and we started processing on August 21, 2009.

A decision has been made on your application. The office will contact you concerning this decision. (Dec 2nd)

On a sidenote: It is evident that the 'in Process' status is still bound to be rejected.

 

[Bond007]

This is an interesting case and sorry to hear about this, Summerlong. I would like the seniors to chip in with their opinions. And like jnathan said - are the IOs really considering IT Bachelors/Masters guys for NOC 0213? Really sad to hear about your rejection once again.

 

[ankit_20]

I am really sorry to hear about the rejection. I hope that your legal consultant can help in the situation.

I think most of us applying in 0213 are concerned and are trying to figure out what went wrong. Is it possible for you to share word by word what you have put under education and experience in Schedule 3: Economic Classes [IMM 0008 SCHEDULE 3]. It will also help us understand how the applications are being processed related to NOC codes

 

[summerlong]

Hi all,
Thanks for your sympathies. The work experience was detailed (in my previous employers own words) and written to show that i had the competencies required by detailing the duties i carried out (not by copying the CIC description). The employment letters were signed by the respective Directors and enclosed with business cards. I thought at the least they may call me to nterview to clarify any concerns they may have.

My education points were good and i can only assume that the lack of a BSc Computing went against me although I have passed 2 OU modules which count towards a BSc. Is there anyone who got PR without a BSc?

Regarding ECAS my status showed IN PROCESS since August then changed to DECISION MADE on Dec 2nd. I think for FSW applications, everything is proceeding as normal when you are IN PROCESS but if it changes to DECISION MADE before a request for Interview or Medicals then it is likely to be a rejection.

 

[Bond007]

I am really sorry to hear about the rejection. I hope that your legal consultant can help in the situation.

I think most of us applying in 0213 are concerned and are trying to figure out what went wrong. Is it possible for you to share word by word what you have put under education and experience in Schedule 3: Economic Classes [IMM 0008 SCHEDULE 3]. It will also help us understand how the applications are being processed related to NOC codes

You said it. Most of us are applying under 0213 so sharing more details would be a great help, Summerlong.

From what I gather through your posts, you had the relevant experience+now you say that you did not copy the responsibilities from the CIC website but infact you submitted letters from the directors supporting your claim. It just beats me why the IO should reject your claim and say you don't meet the requirements for 0213.

 

[CoolEJ]

Thanks for the info Summerlong.

Indeed this is odd. What Visa office processed your application?


If it is ok, can we take a peek at your JD? No intention to invade privacy if looks that way.
I am just somehow worried about the fact that 15 years of IT experience did not pass.

 

[PankajK]

Hello summerlong, Sorry to here about your case

 

[summerlong]

The processing office was London.

My job description for my most recent position was as follows:

Plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the operations of the EDP Variable Data function.
Develop and implement policies and procedures for electronic data processing and computer systems operations and development.
Meet with clients to discuss system requirements, specifications, costs and timelines.
Assemble and manage teams of information systems personnel to design, develop, implement, operate and administer variable data function infrastructure.
Implement and improve efficiency in the budget, contracts and expenditures of the department including computer estimating and costing.
Use and develop computer management information systems.

 

[rocky272727]

The processing office was London.

My job description for my most recent position was as follows:

Plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the operations of the EDP Variable Data function.
Develop and implement policies and procedures for electronic data processing and computer systems operations and development.
Meet with clients to discuss system requirements, specifications, costs and timelines.
Assemble and manage teams of information systems personnel to design, develop, implement, operate and administer variable data function infrastructure.
Implement and improve efficiency in the budget, contracts and expenditures of the department including computer estimating and costing.
Use and develop computer management information systems.

Hi
Well this is really strange a rejection since they cannot reject it as per the operational manual. Its definitely a fault from the visa officer. If you were not eligible then your status should not have been changed to In process rather should have been received by visa office. This is really pathetic on CIC parts as they are simply cheating by keeping the applicants processing fee here where they have not at all processed your application. I really have now doubt on the working style of CIC. I am really again sorry to hear about such an incident.

 

[rocky272727]

The processing office was London.

My job description for my most recent position was as follows:

Plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the operations of the EDP Variable Data function.
Develop and implement policies and procedures for electronic data processing and computer systems operations and development.
Meet with clients to discuss system requirements, specifications, costs and timelines.
Assemble and manage teams of information systems personnel to design, develop, implement, operate and administer variable data function infrastructure.
Implement and improve efficiency in the budget, contracts and expenditures of the department including computer estimating and costing.
Use and develop computer management information systems.

The only problem here could have been the exact match of duties written by you.
Plan, organize, direct, control and evaluate the operations of the EDP Variable Data function.
Develop and implement policies and procedures for electronic data processing and computer systems operations and development.
Meet with clients to discuss system requirements, specifications, costs and timelines.
Assemble and manage teams of information systems personnel to design, develop, implement, operate and administer variable data function infrastructure.

They match 100 % with the once listed on the website except for the last one which is a little different but then they should not have started processing your file. Its very strange

 

[commonwealth]

With the limited info we have and based on a lot assumptions, if i have to take a wild guess then i would look at his experience and job description. How many direct report (how many employees he is managing), project management, resource planning and financial/budgeting. The reason i don't think its education only because the refusal letter reference experience... Just an input.

summerlong wrote"
"The employment letters were signed by the respective Directors and enclosed with business cards. I thought at the least they may call me to nterview to clarify any concerns they may have.

My education points were good and i can only assume that the lack of a BSc Computing went against me"

 

[rocky272727]

With the limited info we have and based on a lot assumptions, if i have to take a wild guess then i would look at his experience and job description. How many direct report (how many employees he is managing), project management, resource planning and financial/budgeting. The reason i don't think its education only because the refusal letter reference experience... Just an input.

summerlong wrote"
"The employment letters were signed by the respective Directors and enclosed with business cards. I thought at the least they may call me to nterview to clarify any concerns they may have.

My education points were good and i can only assume that the lack of a BSc Computing went against me"

Well I agree with you but not totally as the Visa officer work in a group of 3 people and they have a manual to follow but can also use their judgement but it has to be validated by a senior visa officer. I think its only because the visa officer might have got suspicious because the first 4 duties match 100% with the once mentioned on the HRSDC website