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kingadil

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Mar 7, 2012
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Hi there;

I have found this link and i don't know if this is true or not as i still have about 50 days to apply but i am not sure if the new law of 4/6 would be implemented before that

"Did you know you can apply for citizenship with less than 1095 days physical presence?"

http://immigrationcanada.pro/canada-citizenship/know-can-apply-citizenship-less-1095-days-physical-presence/


Another question

As a President of a Canadian Community here in Canada would that help ???
 
Most likely will be refused after probably 2-3 years after RQ and a lot of documents being requested.
Might be easier to wait and apply even with new rules.
Processing might be actually faster...
Do not apply if physical presence is not 1095 or more...
 
In the current process, mostly likely will be returned without being even processed.
If got processed, time to wait for a citizenship judge varies from 2-3 years.

In a nutshell, not worth it.
 
kingadil said:
Hi there;

I have found this link and i don't know if this is true or not as i still have about 50 days to apply but i am not sure if the new law of 4/6 would be implemented before that

"Did you know you can apply for citizenship with less than 1095 days physical presence?"

It's true. You can even apply just the day after you become Permanent Resident.
 
kingadil said:
Hi there;

I have found this link and i don't know if this is true or not as i still have about 50 days to apply but i am not sure if the new law of 4/6 would be implemented before that

"Did you know you can apply for citizenship with less than 1095 days physical presence?"

http://immigrationcanada.pro/canada-citizenship/know-can-apply-citizenship-less-1095-days-physical-presence/

While it used to be true that some people applying with less than 1095 days of physical presence were approved for citizenship, based on the quality of their connection to Canada, this is much less true today. The general feeling on this forum is that applying with less that 1095 days is futile.
 
I have heard of a couple of people getting their citizenship with less than 1095 days but those are special cases, say somebody who has strong ties with Canada but is running a multi million dollar business creating 100 Canadian jobs but has to be away on business a little too much in order to make the requirements. Such a case, they might consider. Most such cases probably get held up forever and denied in the end.
 
No way at current situation minimum requirement is 1095 days and suggest that

you keep some buffer of 15-20 days than apply. alternatively prepare for 3 years ride

submit tonnes of papers and end result will be zero...
 
kingadil said:
Hi there;

I have found this link and i don't know if this is true or not as i still have about 50 days to apply but i am not sure if the new law of 4/6 would be implemented before that

"Did you know you can apply for citizenship with less than 1095 days physical presence?"

http://immigrationcanada.pro/canada-citizenship/know-can-apply-citizenship-less-1095-days-physical-presence/

I strongly urge you to apply, because it will be a non routine case it will take 3+ years to process the file and after that hopefully in another couple of years in case the judge decides in the judge hearing (obviously there will be a judge hearing) that you can be a Canadian citizen then all should be ok, in that case you will be a citizen in hopefully less then 6 years.

I also suggest you use the services of a law firm as well so that other then the normal citizenship fee you get an opportunity to pay the legal fees as well, after all this your Canadian Citizenship will be truly priceless as you would have taken a lot of pain to gain it.
 
cprak0 said:
Most likely will be refused after probably 2-3 years after RQ and a lot of documents being requested.
Might be easier to wait and apply even with new rules.
Processing might be actually faster...
Do not apply if physical presence is not 1095 or more...

Spot on totally agree with this.
 
Given that C-24 shows that the current will of Parliament is that the residency test will be based on Actual Physical Presence, it would be a brave and obstinate Citizenship Judge that decides to apply any alternative test at this point onwards. CIC would almost certainly appeal such a decision...
 
kingadil said:
Hi there;

I have found this link and i don't know if this is true or not as i still have about 50 days to apply but i am not sure if the new law of 4/6 would be implemented before that

"Did you know you can apply for citizenship with less than 1095 days physical presence?"

http://immigrationcanada.pro/canada-citizenship/know-can-apply-citizenship-less-1095-days-physical-presence/

What the lawyer says at that link is all correct. The language there is almost verbatim from case discussions about the Koo criteria. This is still valid law.

What it leaves out, however, is as important as what it says. The big thing it leaves out is that the primary and presumed valid test for determining residency is the Actual Physical Presence (APP) test and that Citizenship Judges can apply the APP test regardless of how strong a case the applicant makes based on the Koo criteria. It leaves out that it appears that most CJs are only applying the APP test, and that all CJs are usually if not nearly always applying the APP test, and that CIC appears to be zealously arguing that CJs only apply the APP test . . . so the chances for getting a CJ to apply the Koo criteria are not at all good.

It leaves out how difficult these cases were to make even three or four years ago . . . and now that the vast majority of Citizenship Judges are Harper appointees, in addition to the overall trend to strictly apply the APP test, in addition to the fact that Parliament has spoken and said that the standard should be actual physical presence (the SCCA), these days these cases have poor odds at best.

To be clear: no matter how solid a case the shortfall (or basic residency case) applicant makes, that his or her life was centralized in Canada, a CJ can still apply the APP test and deny the application based solely on the fact the applicant was not actually physically present for at least 1095 days during the four relevant years. And, again, it appears most CJs are only applying the APP test. And, again, it appears that all CJs are usually if not nearly always applying the APP test.


I concur in the observation made by Leon and would further note that a recent Federal Court decision did refer to a case in which last year a Citizenship Judge applied the Koo test to a shortfall case (but still denied the application, as applicant was in Canada less than half the time). There was a very recent anecdotal report (credibility unknown) in another forum by a shortfall applicant (70 days short) who is scheduled for the oath soon. So the door on Koo has not been locked. But as Leon noted, at best only the most extra-ordinary, exceptional cases are getting through the narrow opening there is these days.
 
Thank you guys :(

After i read all your comments i really don't regret ??? that i didn't apply and still waiting

I'll wait and keep following this post
 
Also Another question

As a President of a Canadian Community here in Canada would that help my case
 
kingadil said:
Also Another question

As a President of a Canadian Community here in Canada would that help my case

No.
 
Apply once you complete required number of days and keep a proper
record to proof residency this is most important....