Call Local Police and report the guy and they will get in Contact with immigration services. If he entered Canada legally no worries if not he will get kick out.
Is this a complex sponsorship case? am I in trouble?
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Wow! Drama! Sorry for your troubles.
But getting back to your issue of sponsorship, if you REALLY want to sponsor him AND keep him with you, do it inland. You are allowed to sponsor someone who does not have legal status via the inland route. Accra is one of the slowest embassies in the world so inland may even be faster than outland in this case.
Think VERY CAREFULLY before you do anything like calling the RCMP or CIC. If a removal order is issued against him and you decide you DO want to be with him, you could be creating heeps of extra work and time on yourselves when it comes to sponsorship.
But DON'T worry about yourself or your daughter. You are both fine.
And to the poster who talked about fake papers, these can be bought ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, including Canada! I saw some in Italy, the USA and the Philippines. It's horrible and awful especially since one time I didn't manage to find out that they were fake (the other two times I did). If someone has the money, they can get them no matter where they are in the world and often, they are convincing!
But getting back to your issue of sponsorship, if you REALLY want to sponsor him AND keep him with you, do it inland. You are allowed to sponsor someone who does not have legal status via the inland route. Accra is one of the slowest embassies in the world so inland may even be faster than outland in this case.
Think VERY CAREFULLY before you do anything like calling the RCMP or CIC. If a removal order is issued against him and you decide you DO want to be with him, you could be creating heeps of extra work and time on yourselves when it comes to sponsorship.
But DON'T worry about yourself or your daughter. You are both fine.
And to the poster who talked about fake papers, these can be bought ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, including Canada! I saw some in Italy, the USA and the Philippines. It's horrible and awful especially since one time I didn't manage to find out that they were fake (the other two times I did). If someone has the money, they can get them no matter where they are in the world and often, they are convincing!
Thanks for everyone
Although I am very agitated, I am still in full control of my emotions and common sense. I do not want to jump into conclusion. It was just a co-incident that I moved to this area, where I live now, long before I met my husband online and then got married. Most of residents of my neighbourhood are from his own culture and middle east. They are indeed hard working, decent, helpful and law obedient peaceful people. I can never forget their assistance and help in my hardship time. I can't really generalize and lable them as terrorists etc etc. Actually their decency and transparency was a big factor in my choice and decision to marry him. If he turns out as a rotten apple then it is not their fault. He has no relative here but they are from similar back ground.
I am going to sit with him in the presence of their community leaders, in the weekend. We will have to discuss everything with open mind. I will toss everything on the table, in that coming meeting. I will taKe it from there. Hopefully, I will update from time to time.
Although I am very agitated, I am still in full control of my emotions and common sense. I do not want to jump into conclusion. It was just a co-incident that I moved to this area, where I live now, long before I met my husband online and then got married. Most of residents of my neighbourhood are from his own culture and middle east. They are indeed hard working, decent, helpful and law obedient peaceful people. I can never forget their assistance and help in my hardship time. I can't really generalize and lable them as terrorists etc etc. Actually their decency and transparency was a big factor in my choice and decision to marry him. If he turns out as a rotten apple then it is not their fault. He has no relative here but they are from similar back ground.
I am going to sit with him in the presence of their community leaders, in the weekend. We will have to discuss everything with open mind. I will toss everything on the table, in that coming meeting. I will taKe it from there. Hopefully, I will update from time to time.
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Well as being a terrorist lol.Not all of them are terrorist,hell we have Canadians American and more who are and nobody knows.....Just because hes middle eastern does not lable him that......just do your homework figure it out and then proceed from there.only you will know what to do.Good Luck on the sit down/
That`s why we have to watch our backs and if you see something irregular report it to the authorities I personally lost 2 friends in 9/11 we cannot afford to let the that happened here if someone is illegal they need to reported you never what the intentions of that person are then they can wait 2 years and apply for PR.rjessome said:
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Im sorry but the ones who did 9 11 where in the country legally and were tought how to fly a plane from inside the country.She wanted to sponsor him as they are married and she is pregnant,and she has doubts about his truthfullness as he gave her conflicting stories.
So like i said not all middle eastern people are bad,,,,,they come from everywhere,,,,,just go to the sit down see what the higher ups in his community say they are not going to put theirselves in the face of the law for one of their own,and if he is here illegally maybe they can figure out how to get him legal.....
So like i said not all middle eastern people are bad,,,,,they come from everywhere,,,,,just go to the sit down see what the higher ups in his community say they are not going to put theirselves in the face of the law for one of their own,and if he is here illegally maybe they can figure out how to get him legal.....
Guys, I appreciate your thoughts and input. However, I don't really wish to twist my thread towards a political heated conflict. Is he a terrorist? the answer, even before we sit down tomorrow, is NO. My husband is originally from Iraq. Do we need to say any more? He has lost some of his dear family. The rest of his family are scattered all over the world as REFUGEES. He has not met his brothers and sisters for years. He did not make a decision for others to INVADE Iraq based on some lies. His country has lost millions of lifes of innocent people and children, not only one or two in 9/11. His country WAS the wealthiest there and IS the origin of civilization on earth 10 thousand years before the discovery of the Continent of America. Who has invaded who? who is terrorizing who? I don't want to go on and on. Plz respect my wish and close this ugly window of politics.drawoh said:
I agree.. she has enough to deal with. Even if he is a person who took advantage to gain entrance to Canada, MANY people from MANY different countries, backgrounds and religions do such things.
I wish the best of luck to you when you discuss the matter with him and members of your community. I must echo what rjessome said in that you need to be sure that he is a fraud and that you don't want to be with him before you report him to the authorities. Maybe he has just made mistakes.. but you do need to find out.
I wish the best of luck to you when you discuss the matter with him and members of your community. I must echo what rjessome said in that you need to be sure that he is a fraud and that you don't want to be with him before you report him to the authorities. Maybe he has just made mistakes.. but you do need to find out.
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Sask,
you have much to worry about. You must follow your own instincts in this. It appears you have some doubts which none of us can answer! satisfy yourself in the truth within your relationship. This may not be about terriorism but, what if it is? What about your future and that of your unborn child. If you're 100% confident in the relationship then this is easy. I sense it is not. Be true to your feelings.
The circumstances surrounding this are extremely disturbing though so, please, think it through my girl.
A good man will always be open and honest with you.
May god bless you and care for your little ones always
you have much to worry about. You must follow your own instincts in this. It appears you have some doubts which none of us can answer! satisfy yourself in the truth within your relationship. This may not be about terriorism but, what if it is? What about your future and that of your unborn child. If you're 100% confident in the relationship then this is easy. I sense it is not. Be true to your feelings.
The circumstances surrounding this are extremely disturbing though so, please, think it through my girl.
A good man will always be open and honest with you.
May god bless you and care for your little ones always
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An Iraqi has a good case for getting refugee status - though because of politics may not get it. An Iraqi also has legitimate reasons not to want to go back to his country.
I wouldn't report him yourself. If you do, and he finds out, the relationship is over, and it sounds like you haven't decided yet for sure if you want the relationship or not.
If he is deported, or convicted of a crime in Canada and deported, he can still be sponsored. The applicant has to wait a couple of years and pay some money - I think just the cost of the airfare the gov't paid when he was deported and then the price of the ARC (?) - you need to ask for permission to return. If the visa officer believes your marriage is genuine, they will give him a PR visa in spite of an illegal entry or even a criminal conviction. My husband's friend got one - in spite of illegally entering the USA and Canada, living illegally in Canada for years, and a criminal conviction and deportation. His case took a long time - 5 years - but he was accepted. He didn't even need to appeal
I also think you should contact the Open Door Society in Saskatoon for advice. They can help him with a refugee application, if he decides to try. If someone is from a war zone, then I think the rest of us should not be criticizing him for using fake papers to get out.
I wouldn't report him yourself. If you do, and he finds out, the relationship is over, and it sounds like you haven't decided yet for sure if you want the relationship or not.
If he is deported, or convicted of a crime in Canada and deported, he can still be sponsored. The applicant has to wait a couple of years and pay some money - I think just the cost of the airfare the gov't paid when he was deported and then the price of the ARC (?) - you need to ask for permission to return. If the visa officer believes your marriage is genuine, they will give him a PR visa in spite of an illegal entry or even a criminal conviction. My husband's friend got one - in spite of illegally entering the USA and Canada, living illegally in Canada for years, and a criminal conviction and deportation. His case took a long time - 5 years - but he was accepted. He didn't even need to appeal
I also think you should contact the Open Door Society in Saskatoon for advice. They can help him with a refugee application, if he decides to try. If someone is from a war zone, then I think the rest of us should not be criticizing him for using fake papers to get out.
Hello eveyone...good evening
We sat, we discussed...we grilled every piece of our life in the past few years. Things are now clear, open and transparent.
I have decided to stand by him. I will do. How can I do that, is my agony and big question. Sending him back home, to start an outland sponsorship, is not an option..sadly. Imganine yourself in his footsteps. Iraq ia a hell of a place....and he can not go back to USA, where he came from, to marry me. what can we do?
We sat, we discussed...we grilled every piece of our life in the past few years. Things are now clear, open and transparent.
I have decided to stand by him. I will do. How can I do that, is my agony and big question. Sending him back home, to start an outland sponsorship, is not an option..sadly. Imganine yourself in his footsteps. Iraq ia a hell of a place....and he can not go back to USA, where he came from, to marry me. what can we do?
Maybe he can stay and apply as a refugee, but I really don't know anything about that process. I'm sure someone else will give you more information. I'm really sorry that you're going through this stress with a child on the way.
The fact that he came across the border illegally, without a visa and crossing without being examined may prevent his application for PR.
If his documentation is false, stolen, fake or similar it may prevent his application for PR.
You need to ascertain if his documentation is genuine.
If it is, he may be able to obtain PR but I believe you are going to need some expert help in order to apply. You will have to apply "inland" if you do not want him to return to Iraq.
See: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf Section 5:27
5.27. Legal temporary resident status in Canada
Under the current Regulations, applicants in this spouse or common-law partner in Canada class
must have a valid temporary resident status on the date of application and on the date they
receive permanent resident status to be eligible to be members of the class.
However, under the spousal policy, applicants who lack status as defined under the public policy
(see “What is lack of status under the public policy” below) may be granted permanent residence
so long as they meet all the other requirements of the class (i.e., they are not inadmissible for
reasons other than “lack of status.”)
However, applicants who do not have temporary resident status and who cannot be granted
positive consideration under the public policy can be removed at any time. Further, the spousal
policy does not change the requirement to seek necessary authorization to visit Canada or to
work or study here.
What is “lack of status” under the public policy?
For the purposes of the current public policy, persons with a “lack of status” refers to those in the
following situations:
• persons who have overstayed a visa, visitor record, work permit, student permit or temporary
resident permit;
• persons who have worked or studied without being authorized to do so as prescribed by the
Act;
• persons who have entered Canada without a visa or other document required by the
Regulations;
• persons who have entered Canada without a valid passport or travel document (provided
valid documents are acquired by the time CIC seeks to grant permanent residence).
• persons who did not present themselves for examination when initially entering Canada but
who did so subsequently.
Lack of status” does not refer to any other inadmissibilities including, but not limited to:
• failure to obtain any required permission to enter Canada after being removed;
• persons who have entered Canada with a fraudulent or improperly obtained passport, travel
document or visa and who have used the document for misrepresentation under IRPA. For
greater certainty, persons will be excluded from being granted permanent residence under
this public policy:
if they used a fraudulent or improperly obtained passport, travel document or visa to gain
entry into Canada; and
if this document was not surrendered or seized upon arrival; and
if the applicant used these fraudulent or improperly obtained documents to acquire
temporary or permanent resident status.
Other cases may be refused for misrepresentation if there is clear evidence of misrepresentation
under IRPA, in accordance with the Department's guidelines.
If his documentation is false, stolen, fake or similar it may prevent his application for PR.
You need to ascertain if his documentation is genuine.
If it is, he may be able to obtain PR but I believe you are going to need some expert help in order to apply. You will have to apply "inland" if you do not want him to return to Iraq.
See: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf Section 5:27
5.27. Legal temporary resident status in Canada
Under the current Regulations, applicants in this spouse or common-law partner in Canada class
must have a valid temporary resident status on the date of application and on the date they
receive permanent resident status to be eligible to be members of the class.
However, under the spousal policy, applicants who lack status as defined under the public policy
(see “What is lack of status under the public policy” below) may be granted permanent residence
so long as they meet all the other requirements of the class (i.e., they are not inadmissible for
reasons other than “lack of status.”)
However, applicants who do not have temporary resident status and who cannot be granted
positive consideration under the public policy can be removed at any time. Further, the spousal
policy does not change the requirement to seek necessary authorization to visit Canada or to
work or study here.
What is “lack of status” under the public policy?
For the purposes of the current public policy, persons with a “lack of status” refers to those in the
following situations:
• persons who have overstayed a visa, visitor record, work permit, student permit or temporary
resident permit;
• persons who have worked or studied without being authorized to do so as prescribed by the
Act;
• persons who have entered Canada without a visa or other document required by the
Regulations;
• persons who have entered Canada without a valid passport or travel document (provided
valid documents are acquired by the time CIC seeks to grant permanent residence).
• persons who did not present themselves for examination when initially entering Canada but
who did so subsequently.
Lack of status” does not refer to any other inadmissibilities including, but not limited to:
• failure to obtain any required permission to enter Canada after being removed;
• persons who have entered Canada with a fraudulent or improperly obtained passport, travel
document or visa and who have used the document for misrepresentation under IRPA. For
greater certainty, persons will be excluded from being granted permanent residence under
this public policy:
if they used a fraudulent or improperly obtained passport, travel document or visa to gainentry into Canada; and
if this document was not surrendered or seized upon arrival; and if the applicant used these fraudulent or improperly obtained documents to acquiretemporary or permanent resident status.
Other cases may be refused for misrepresentation if there is clear evidence of misrepresentation
under IRPA, in accordance with the Department's guidelines.
He has his genuine IDs. He has no status stamp on passport. As a reminder; I couldn't travel to meet him in US, as this was almost impossible. He could not apply for visa to come to me. He couldn't claim refugee on border because it could mean detention and returning back to US. It is too risky for him to leave because he does not a real country to go to.
Dilemma!!!, but morally I can't throw him out. I stand by him...but I'am unable to put my finger as to where to go and from where to start.
Dilemma!!!, but morally I can't throw him out. I stand by him...but I'am unable to put my finger as to where to go and from where to start.
As Siouxie said, the first thing you should probably do is find a good immigration lawyer. In a case like this I don't think you could go it alone.