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Here is your fellow IT professional in this very forum who found better opportunities in US and ciuldnt deal with Canadian BS
 
You should see the taxes we pay around here. %50 works hard to feed the other %50.. And unfortunately the working half almost gets nothing in return from the government other than the infrastructure (roads, bridges etc). We pay tax for everything, I mean EVERYTHING. Just to give you a small example, we pay for electricity in our home right? But there are some people stealing electricity, by connecting their homes to main wires illegally. Government can't detect all of those people and can you guess what they do? They add up the total stolen amount and divide it to the people who are paying regularly for their electricity :) This is just a very very tiny example. I can tell you about thousands :) So paying taxes for the healthcare, unemployed or the childcare looks very ok to me unless it's not given unfairly. And newtone, I know it seems not ok to you but if you knew the things happening around here, Canada would look like a rose garden to you, believe me.. If the government is acting fairly and it is not corrupted, I think those social benefits are good.

The IT job market thing is another subject and you are surely been very helpful.. I was thinking that it's gonna be easier.. And you have given me another perspective. I know now that there are not golden opportunities waiting for me there in Canada..Thanks..
 
No, absolutely not! Its hard enough sitting IN Canada and looking for a job, which can be a complete nightmare - not trying to scare you, but that's reality. Chances are a survival job is what you will get for starters, which will mean long hours with little pay. Persevere, and you might strike it lucky. Good luck!
 
What makes you believe Canada is a rose garden compared to Turkey if you have never lived here then?

If you never lived here, then you are hardly able to compare Canada to Turkey.

There is no good place and no bad place, no easy job market and no hard job market, no completely corrupt government and no fully clean government. Expecting rose garden is the major cause of immigrants' disappointments and failures. Those who expected rose garden normally fail to integrate the job market, because they underestimate all work to be done and are not ready to go through all unpleasant steps before getting a meaningful job (like doing blue collar survival jobs, cold calling recruiters, etc.).

If you indeed have serious plans for Canada, the first thing to realize is that Canada is not a rose garden for job seekers (and no country is) and Turkey is not such a bad place as you describe.



pixiedust said:
You should see the taxes we pay around here. %50 works hard to feed the other %50.. And unfortunately the working half almost gets nothing in return from the government other than the infrastructure (roads, bridges etc). We pay tax for everything, I mean EVERYTHING. Just to give you a small example, we pay for electricity in our home right? But there are some people stealing electricity, by connecting their homes to main wires illegally. Government can't detect all of those people and can you guess what they do? They add up the total stolen amount and divide it to the people who are paying regularly for their electricity :) This is just a very very tiny example. I can tell you about thousands :) So paying taxes for the healthcare, unemployed or the childcare looks very ok to me unless it's not given unfairly. And newtone, I know it seems not ok to you but if you knew the things happening around here, Canada would look like a rose garden to you, believe me.. If the government is acting fairly and it is not corrupted, I think those social benefits are good.

The IT job market thing is another subject and you are surely been very helpful.. I was thinking that it's gonna be easier.. And you have given me another perspective. I know now that there are not golden opportunities waiting for me there in Canada..Thanks..
 
Katayoon said:
What makes you believe Canada is a rose garden compared to Turkey if you have never lived here then?

If you never lived here, then you are hardly able to compare Canada to Turkey.

There is no good place and no bad place, no easy job market and no hard job market, no completely corrupt government and no fully clean government. Expecting rose garden is the major cause of immigrants' disappointments and failures. Those who expected rose garden normally fail to integrate the job market, because they underestimate all work to be done and are not ready to go through all unpleasant steps before getting a meaningful job (like doing blue collar survival jobs, cold calling recruiters, etc.).

If you indeed have serious plans for Canada, the first thing to realize is that Canada is not a rose garden for job seekers (and no country is) and Turkey is not such a bad place as you describe.

Hey take it easy Katayoon... :) I was just comparing the government taxes, not the overall countries. And "rose garden" phrase was just used for the the taxes we pay, not the job market. That's why I wrote "The IT job market thing is another subject... " You should have read more carefully..
By the way one of my close family member is a Canadian citizen, that's why I've visited Canada many times. He's not an IT guy, he moved to Vancouver as an immigrant and both him and his wife found good jobs (one of them as an architect and the other one in a pharmaceutical company, both white colar jobs) in 3-4 months. Maybe they were just lucky I don't know. I also have a friend working at an IT job in Toronto and he told me that "it's not going to be easy but it's not impossible".. With these examples around me, maybe that's why I wasn't expecting a nightmare, sorry :) But don't worry, now I know how hard it's gonna be.. Members of the forum made it very clear..
Also I know Turkey is not a bad place (other than taxes and some other issues :) ), it has its ups and downs but it's my home country. You don't have to defend it to me :)
You say that I can't make a comparison if I have never lived in Canada and in addition you make a comment "Turkey is not such a bad place". By your logic I guess you lived in Turkey before, right???
 
WOW,

I just briefly read this thread and my god it would really make someone feel depressed and demotivated if they took all these comments in seriously.

I think the "You Need Canadian Experience" is utter balls. I did not have a single day of Canadian experience but I did not have a problem getting interviews and landing a good job.

You want to know what recruiters and hiring managers told me when I asked if Canadian experience is needed? They all said the EXACT same thing and said "No not at all your fine its really a cultural thing because there could be a language barrier and it would make communication very difficult"

Sorry to say if your first language is not English then it will be abit harder or you can communicate very well verbally or orally in English you will be fine.

People from England, Australia and United States past work experience from their home country will be acknowledged.

Way to many negative comments on here and I bet their from the people who clearly are finding it hard to land a job and have poor social skills. Being a peoples person here is a MUST
 
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pixiedust said:
You should see the taxes we pay around here. %50 works hard to feed the other %50.. And unfortunately the working half almost gets nothing in return from the government other than the infrastructure (roads, bridges etc). We pay tax for everything, I mean EVERYTHING. Just to give you a small example, we pay for electricity in our home right? But there are some people stealing electricity, by connecting their homes to main wires illegally. Government can't detect all of those people and can you guess what they do? They add up the total stolen amount and divide it to the people who are paying regularly for their electricity :) This is just a very very tiny example. I can tell you about thousands :) So paying taxes for the healthcare, unemployed or the childcare looks very ok to me unless it's not given unfairly. And newtone, I know it seems not ok to you but if you knew the things happening around here, Canada would look like a rose garden to you, believe me.. If the government is acting fairly and it is not corrupted, I think those social benefits are good.

The IT job market thing is another subject and you are surely been very helpful.. I was thinking that it's gonna be easier.. And you have given me another perspective. I know now that there are not golden opportunities waiting for me there in Canada..Thanks..

Do what you feel is right everyone else has their own experience you might have a better chance then them. It will be tough but not impossible to land a job.

Tax here is not bad I'm making near 100k here and I'm only being taxed like 26%. In the UK I was making like 62k and being taxed like 50% which is bizarre.
 
nthompson said:
WOW,

I just briefly read this thread and my god it would really make someone feel depressed and demotivated if they took all these comments in seriously.

I think the "You Need Canadian Experience" is utter balls. I did not have a single day of Canadian experience but I did not have a problem getting interviews and landing a good job.

You want to know what recruiters and hiring managers told me when I asked if Canadian experience is needed? They all said the EXACT same thing and said "No not at all your fine its really a cultural thing because there could be a language barrier and it would make communication very difficult"

Sorry to say if your first language is not English then it will be abit harder or you can communicate very well verbally or orally in English you will be fine.

People from England, Australia and United States past work experience from their home country will be acknowledged.

Way to many negative comments on here and I bet their from the people who clearly are finding it hard to land a job and have poor social skills. Being a peoples person here is a MUST

I'd agree with nthomposon! I am in the UK since 4 years. When I came in, everybody told me that UK's job-market is depressed. It's very hard to find a job here if you don't have UK experience. Even some friends of my own ethnicity (all of them not well skilled) gave me excuses like "there is a lot of discrimination" that's why they can't find a good job! I think it's all BS. I landed job in the UK the day I graduated.

If you have strong confidence in your own technical skills and English communication skills, and if you represent yourself well in your resume then you've pretty good chance of landing a job in the UK. Major issue in the UK in fact is getting a work visa. Whereas without a visa barrier, I think things would be somewhat easier in Canada.

However, in all cases, practically those with "local" Canadian experience have an edge. It's same everywhere though, because logically every employer wants to hire most "suitable" candidate.
 
Jaxon911 said:
I'd agree with nthomposon! I am in the UK since 4 years. When I came in, everybody told me that UK's job-market is depressed. It's very hard to find a job here if you don't have UK experience. Even some friends of my own ethnicity (all of them not well skilled) gave me excuses like "there is a lot of discrimination" that's why they can't find a good job! I think it's all BS. I landed job in the UK the day I graduated.

If you have strong confidence in your own technical skills and English communication skills, and if you represent yourself well in your resume then you've pretty good chance of landing a job in the UK. Major issue in the UK in fact is getting a work visa. Whereas without a visa barrier, I think things would be somewhat easier in Canada.

However, in all cases, practically those with "local" Canadian experience have an edge. It's same everywhere though, because logically every employer wants to hire most "suitable" candidate.

Exactly it all comes down to you believing in yourself and being confident. Don't let someone elses bad experience put you off.

And I'm glad you proved them wrong Jaxon :D
 
nthompson said:
WOW,

I just briefly read this thread and my god it would really make someone feel depressed and demotivated if they took all these comments in seriously.

I think the "You Need Canadian Experience" is utter balls. I did not have a single day of Canadian experience but I did not have a problem getting interviews and landing a good job.

You want to know what recruiters and hiring managers told me when I asked if Canadian experience is needed? They all said the EXACT same thing and said "No not at all your fine its really a cultural thing because there could be a language barrier and it would make communication very difficult"

Sorry to say if your first language is not English then it will be abit harder or you can communicate very well verbally or orally in English you will be fine.

People from England, Australia and United States past work experience from their home country will be acknowledged.

Way to many negative comments on here and I bet their from the people who clearly are finding it hard to land a job and have poor social skills. Being a peoples person here is a MUST

Thank you very much for your positive comments.. In fact I was starting to feel hopeless as you said, I am a little bit relieved now.. There is someone in Canada who didn't have to crawl to find a job!! :)
 
pixiedust said:
Thank you very much for your positive comments.. In fact I was starting to feel hopeless as you said, I am a little bit relieved now.. There is someone in Canada who didn't have to crawl to find a job!! :)

There is hope were ever you go as long as you put the hard work in you can make it. Not saying its easy but its not impossible stay positive and I'm sure you will achieve your dreams :)
 
Hello All,

I have 9 years of IT experience including 1.5 years of working at onsite location, Ontario at client place.
Will that 1.5 years be counted as Canadian experience by Canadian employers?

Thanks!
 
It depends from individual to indivudual.For some it has taken less time to find a job and for some it has taken long.Also it depends how much your previous expereince is considered vauable.I have seen many immigrants here who had to go to school again and do a degree before applying for jobs and initially go for survival jobs.It takes time but yes eventually one will find a right fit.Also it depends about hw good you are at networking,so in my opinion do a lot of volunteering as it will enrich your networking skills and help you learn more about the job market and link you to the right people.