Interpretation of CAIPS file. Help needed !

[AB212]

Hi!

CAIPS are like hidden notes buried some where by some immigration officer. If you disclose that and openly discuss that with them who is going to like ? I know this is our right to get this information under access to information act but you should also consider human nature.

This is just my opinion not to discuss your notes with your immigration officer and I have read the same somewhere on internet by people and I agreed with them. You are fully entitled to disagree if you like and can discuss if you want to.

I agree with starme above best thing for him is just to wait and see. Thanks

Yes. cocknbull is right. We can't mention CAIPS to the CSE people because, the way we obtain the CAIPS file is under the hand sorta process. So I'll just email them for general enquiry. And like starme said, wait for another 2 weeks to see what happens!

Could be a system glitch. I HOPE it is one!

 

[AB212]

Dear AB 212, I suggest you go though the following link. These are personal experiences of people who are in a similar situation.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/decision-made-before-medicals-does-not-always-mean-rejection-t97295.0.html

Thankyou now.
Lets hope I'm one of those candidates

 

[cocknbull]

Yes. cocknbull is right. We can't mention CAIPS to the CSE people because, the way we obtain the CAIPS file is under the hand sorta process. So I'll just email them for general enquiry. And like starme said, wait for another 2 weeks to see what happens!

Could be a system glitch. I HOPE it is one!

Dear I hope and pray it turns out to be a system error for you.... Last thing I would like to tell you if you ever want to contact visa office always send them urgent email (with subject urgent) and don't send case specific enquiry because CSE will not be answered if your enquiry doesn't fall within their specified time limit for CSE. Thanks

 

[Pippin]

I never thought of CAIPS or GCSM as being "under the table" information. This is information about you which you have every right to see. It is obtained in a most open way, it just has to be requested by someone IN Canada. Nothing to be ashamed or secretive about.

 

[azazaz]

I never thought of CAIPS or GCSM as being "under the table" information. This is information about you which you have every right to see. It is obtained in a most open way, it just has to be requested by someone IN Canada. Nothing to be ashamed or secretive about.

would you want to discuss your CAIPS with your immigration officer why he has awarded you 22 points for education and why not 25? would you ask him why he has concerns about your education/employment/travel history??? would you ask him why he wants verifications in your case?

and many more?????? please answer?

 

[cocknbull]

Guys I found the following on web where a former visa officer is advising people not to order CAIPS unless it is absolutely necessary. Please check the link. Thanks

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198000


CAIPS check
Does checking the file status via CAPIS has any harm to my file?

thanks for your help.


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Dec 21st 2003, 7:37 pm #2
Jim Humphries

Re: CAIPS check
IT is not wise to get your CAIPS file unless there is obviously some problem
with the processing, such as very lengthy delays beyond the published times.
Don't ask for it just to find out how things are going.

Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"iran" <member18771 @ british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:1129974.1072036189 @ britishexpats.com...
Does checking the file status via CAPIS has any harm to my file?
thanks for your help.
>
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Dec 21st 2003, 10:16 pm #3
iran
Forum Regular


Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 42


Re: CAIPS check
Thank you so very much for your kind reply. The only reason I wanted to check is because at the time of interview they told me that in less than 2 months I shall get my visa, but more than 3 months has passed and no news. When I contacted the embassy by email, was told that "the verfication of my file is not finsihed yet and is expected to be finished in Feb. 2004". I do not know why suddenly the process is prolonged.

Once again thank you for your reply and I would greatly appreciate to learn about your comments about my case.




Quote:
Originally posted by Jim Humphries
IT is not wise to get your CAIPS file unless there is obviously some problem
with the processing, such as very lengthy delays beyond the published times.
Don't ask for it just to find out how things are going.

Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"iran" <member18771 @ british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:1129974.1072036189 @ britishexpats.com...
> Does checking the file status via CAPIS has any harm to my file?
> thanks for your help.
>
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Dec 21st 2003, 11:20 pm #4
Emil

Re: CAIPS check
Mr. Humphries, what is the reason for this? Is it monetary or does it affect
anything?


"Jim Humphries" <jhumphri(stop spam) @ shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> IT is not wise to get your CAIPS file unless there is obviously some
problem
> with the processing, such as very lengthy delays beyond the published
times.
> Don't ask for it just to find out how things are going.
>
> Jim Humphries, former visa officer
> "iran" <member18771 @ british_expats.com> wrote in message
> news:1129974.1072036189 @ britishexpats.com...
> >
> > Does checking the file status via CAPIS has any harm to my file?
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Dec 22nd 2003, 4:28 am #5
Jim Humphries

Re: CAIPS check
It is an inconvenience for the visa office and provides little useful
information when there is no problem to solve. Also, it is full of short
forms and local office terminology that is difficult to understand.

Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"Emil" <a @ d.com> wrote in message
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> Mr. Humphries, what is the reason for this? Is it monetary or does it
affect
> anything?
> "Jim Humphries" <jhumphri(stop spam) @ shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:dwnFb.771985$6C4.753179 @ pd7tw1no...
> > IT is not wise to get your CAIPS file unless there is obviously some
> problem
> > with the processing, such as very lengthy delays beyond the published
> times.
> > Don't ask for it just to find out how things are going.
> >
> > Jim Humphries, former visa officer
> > "iran" <member18771 @ british_expats.com> wrote in message
> > news:1129974.1072036189 @ britishexpats.com...
> > >
> > > Does checking the file status via CAPIS has any harm to my file?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks for your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

 

[Pippin]

would you want to discuss your CAIPS with your immigration officer why he has awarded you 22 points for education and why not 25? would you ask him why he has concerns about your education/employment/travel history??? would you ask him why he wants verifications in your case?

and many more?????? please answer?

I am no authority, but my understanding of CAIPS is that it comes from Access to Information and Privacy Division, CIC. I seriously doubt they have VOs doing this sort of work. If I had applied and did not get the number of points I knew I was entitled to receive, you are absolutely right I would WANT to talk to someone about it. How do you know which way they will interpret your information? How would you know where you lost the points or information had been misunderstood without having the Notes for guidance? As I see it there isn't a lot of difference between your doctor ordering tests for you. You can request to have a copy of the results.
As far as getting CAIPS, there is little benefit to ordering them more often than necessary, but I doubt anyone would care. If anyone has first hand knowledge, I'd be interested to hear it, too.

 

[azazaz]

I am no authority, but my understanding of CAIPS is that it comes from Access to Information and Privacy Division, CIC. I seriously doubt they have VOs doing this sort of work. If I had applied and did not get the number of points I knew I was entitled to receive, you are absolutely right I would WANT to talk to someone about it. How do you know which way they will interpret your information? How would you know where you lost the points or information had been misunderstood without having the Notes for guidance? As I see it there isn't a lot of difference between your doctor ordering tests for you. You can request to have a copy of the results.
As far as getting CAIPS, there is little benefit to ordering them more often than necessary, but I doubt anyone would care. If anyone has first hand knowledge, I'd be interested to hear it, too.

you chose the easy one , contesting points? that can be challanged but only after you have received any rejection not before any decision made

what if your visa officer had asked verifications for you like employment/education? would you also ask him the reason? or would you want to tell him that all your documents are genuine and he shoudnt be doing any verifications

what if he has concerns about your travel history etc? would you ask him why he has concerns?

that was my point never to discuss such issues with your visa officer and even better never mention about CAIPS that you have seen this and better wait for some official rejection or decision then check CAIPS what he had done and then communicate to him properly.

 

[Pippin]

A conversation indicates that there is two way communication happening. Ordering CAIPS is definitely a ONE WAY process and does not give you the chance to "ask" anything. Ordering CAIPS does not imply that you have anything to hide. One of the issues applicants face when requested for more information by the VO, is that it probably takes longer for them to get their CAIPS than the amount of time given to provide the extra docs.
I don't think ordering CAIPS is equivalent to asking a VO why he/she has concerns about your application. If my application was progressing smoothly along normal timelines I probably wouldn't bother getting CAIPS, but if it appeared to be "stuck", I certainly would. Maybe this is just a Canadian thing, but I believe that I have "a right to know" what information is being written about me. From Wikipedia: Subject to exceptions, individuals have a right of access to records that contain their own personal information under the Privacy Act but the general public does not have a right of access to records that contain personal information about others under the Access to Information Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_in_Canada

 

[azazaz]

Ordering CAIPS is definitely a ONE WAY process and does not give you the chance to "ask" anything.

only the above quoted line is relevant. rest what you wrote was irrelevant to me. you accept that ordering caips do not give us a chance to ask any thing. so its sorted. thats wat i thot not to discuss your notes with your vo.

in AB212's case he hasnt received any official rejection so far so i see no point telling vo that he has got caips and sees no rejection dere while ecas is decison made. as suggested by cockknbull there could be a factor that caips are old dated. AB212 shuld better wait for any official respnse as opined by others too. thx