Intend to Reside/stay EVEN after getting citizenship
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We are not a realm of the UK---We just happen to have the same Monarch as them (and 14 other INDEPENDENT countries)marcus66502 said:
Anyways, this thread is to discuss the Intend to Reside provision of the new citizenship bill; not school marcus66502 on constitutional law and history
Sorry but you're not convincing me the queen is Canadian. The facts are clear: she was not born in Canada, was never naturalized as a Canadian citizen in accordance with Canadian law, has never lived a day of her life in Canada, and has no ties whatsoever to Canada. I don't care what the government says. To me she is no more Canadian than a rock on the Grand Canyon.
I find it strange that people who are being made to wait years before getting Canadian citizenship have no problem with Queen Elizabeth getting citizenship simply by the Prime Minister waving his magic stick at her and saying "I pronounce you Canadian." (Talk about cheapening Canadian citizenship). Sorry but unearned privileges don't fly with me. Truth is she has not done anything in her life to earn Canadian citizenship like the rest of us, but then she's never done anything to earn her ruling privileges in the UK either (not that those are my concern).
Her official visits to Canada should be called what they are: vacations at the expense of Canadian tax payers. There is a reason she doesn't ever visit the US: they thumbed their nose at her throne some 230 years ago and she knows there are no free lunches for her in the United States (no pun intended). Next time queen Elizabeth visits Canada, she should pay for it herself, and she should be doing something other than waste our politicians' time with useless ceremonies that do nothing to solve the economic problems of ordinary Canadians.
Huff and puff all you want but I have a hard time taking seriously a country that calls itself an independent while holding its laws subject to the approval of the queen of another country. Why even have a parliament in Ottawa at all? Why not just go ask Queen Elizabeth what her wishes are? She is the one that has the ultimate final approval on all of Canada's laws (in theory she does, I'm very well aware what happens in practice). Quite frankly the world should refuse to recognize Canada as independent. We are all just subjects of the queen of England and we should be carrying some form of paper saying that (the laws of the UK don't allow for the issuance of British passports to us, exactly).
I find it strange that people who are being made to wait years before getting Canadian citizenship have no problem with Queen Elizabeth getting citizenship simply by the Prime Minister waving his magic stick at her and saying "I pronounce you Canadian." (Talk about cheapening Canadian citizenship). Sorry but unearned privileges don't fly with me. Truth is she has not done anything in her life to earn Canadian citizenship like the rest of us, but then she's never done anything to earn her ruling privileges in the UK either (not that those are my concern).
Her official visits to Canada should be called what they are: vacations at the expense of Canadian tax payers. There is a reason she doesn't ever visit the US: they thumbed their nose at her throne some 230 years ago and she knows there are no free lunches for her in the United States (no pun intended). Next time queen Elizabeth visits Canada, she should pay for it herself, and she should be doing something other than waste our politicians' time with useless ceremonies that do nothing to solve the economic problems of ordinary Canadians.
Huff and puff all you want but I have a hard time taking seriously a country that calls itself an independent while holding its laws subject to the approval of the queen of another country. Why even have a parliament in Ottawa at all? Why not just go ask Queen Elizabeth what her wishes are? She is the one that has the ultimate final approval on all of Canada's laws (in theory she does, I'm very well aware what happens in practice). Quite frankly the world should refuse to recognize Canada as independent. We are all just subjects of the queen of England and we should be carrying some form of paper saying that (the laws of the UK don't allow for the issuance of British passports to us, exactly).
the queen is neither a canadian citizen nor a british citizen in the legal sense. get your facts clear. a monarch is never a citizen. no prime minister in canada ever granted her a citizenship. she became the queen of canada because she's the daughter of king george and so will prince charles in future. they will never be canadian citizens.
uk, canada, australia, new zealand, etc all claim their monarchy to the same royal family. just because the queen stays in UK, doesn't mean anything to the people or laws of canada. the queen could even stay in canada or australia for that matter, and she will have the same status.
you are arguing about a topic that holds no value at this point. i agree with pompi, let's just stick to the topic and keep the ignorance out of this thread
uk, canada, australia, new zealand, etc all claim their monarchy to the same royal family. just because the queen stays in UK, doesn't mean anything to the people or laws of canada. the queen could even stay in canada or australia for that matter, and she will have the same status.
you are arguing about a topic that holds no value at this point. i agree with pompi, let's just stick to the topic and keep the ignorance out of this thread
Oh no, sir. Don't flatter yourself. You're not schooling me on constitutional law or history becausetxboyscout said:We are not a realm of the UK---We just happen to have the same Monarch as them (and 14 other INDEPENDENT countries)
Anyways, this thread is to discuss the Intend to Reside provision of the new citizenship bill; not school marcus66502 on constitutional law and history
(A) Judging by what you say, you are far from an expert on either subject; and
(B) I'm not believing a word of yours.
There is very little in your posts that's factual information. You're pretty much making things up as you go.
I'm not so sure that the Government of Canada has any legal right to determine who the head of state is. That privilege belongs to the Canadian people. In a democracy, the people are not subjects of their government. Quite the contrary. The government is elected by the people and is supposed to represent the will of the people. I don't recall when Canadians have ever been given the opportunity to decide for themselves in popular referendum who the head of their state will be.
Guys,
"Intend to reside" is related to paying your taxes while living abroad.
Currently, Canadian citizens are exempt from paying income tax on their foreign-earned income if they submitted a "non resident" document to the CRA, and they are only exempt from taxes IF they can prove that they do not intend to live in Canada. If they intend to live in Canada in the future, they MUST pay income tax as they are considered residents for tax purposes.
Unlike the US, Canadians don't pay taxes on their foreign earned income. As a naturalized Canadian living abroad, I am not worried about all that PR mumbo jumbo Herr Harper and his goons are threatening naturalized Canadians with; no one can revoke my citizenship because it is against the constitution, and Herr Harper's bureaucrats are not stronger than the constitution. HOWEVER, if the bill passes, I will be required to pay tax on my income. Frankly, I'd love nothing more than to return to Canada and live and work but where are the jobs!
"Intend to reside" is related to paying your taxes while living abroad.
Currently, Canadian citizens are exempt from paying income tax on their foreign-earned income if they submitted a "non resident" document to the CRA, and they are only exempt from taxes IF they can prove that they do not intend to live in Canada. If they intend to live in Canada in the future, they MUST pay income tax as they are considered residents for tax purposes.
Unlike the US, Canadians don't pay taxes on their foreign earned income. As a naturalized Canadian living abroad, I am not worried about all that PR mumbo jumbo Herr Harper and his goons are threatening naturalized Canadians with; no one can revoke my citizenship because it is against the constitution, and Herr Harper's bureaucrats are not stronger than the constitution. HOWEVER, if the bill passes, I will be required to pay tax on my income. Frankly, I'd love nothing more than to return to Canada and live and work but where are the jobs!
If you don't like Canada sharing heads of state with the Commonwealth, either vote for a parliamentary candidate who wants to change the status quo or run for office yourself.marcus66502 said:
You have hit the nail on the head!idontlikespam said:
It is a step towards requiring Canadian citizens to pay taxes on all incomes earned globally like the US does---these revenues are a goldmine for a cash-strapped govt and they want to use this resource. This is not just Canada but expect most western governments to go down a similar route. They all know how people love to get their citizenship and then go back to their homelands to earn a living and live there; and retun once their income sources dry up to get govt benefits
Not going to help him much....In order to change Canada's head of state the constitutions of Canada and ALL of the provinces will have to be ammended. All of the provinces cannot come together and agree on a flavour of coffee let alone something as big as thisSwede said:
Guys we're putting too much sense into the "Intend to reside" clause in favoring the conservative government. If anyone has watched the previous hearings from the committee, they would accept with me that Chris Alexander, the honorable min. for CIC, said that is a clause for confirming the applicants have genuinely completed the residential requirement. His statement is such a disconnect that, 1. He is so blatantly uninformed, which I doubt or 2. He is babbling something to cover up an intention that is even more sinister than what it means, which likely is the case.
If this bill passes in its current state as the law, wait and see the customs and borders agents asking all nosy questions about why are you taking a job outside Canada when you become a Canadian? Why did you have an extended stay at your native country after you become a Canadian, never mind you had a dying relative? Why did you want to become a Canadian if you think a Harvard education is best for you?
Trust me this government will not hesitate to do this, given that they are in cross with the Supreme Court they will do anything right off their mind in a heart beat because of their majority strength.
If this bill passes in its current state as the law, wait and see the customs and borders agents asking all nosy questions about why are you taking a job outside Canada when you become a Canadian? Why did you have an extended stay at your native country after you become a Canadian, never mind you had a dying relative? Why did you want to become a Canadian if you think a Harvard education is best for you?
Trust me this government will not hesitate to do this, given that they are in cross with the Supreme Court they will do anything right off their mind in a heart beat because of their majority strength.
do anything.....YES...but at what cost ? they don't even care that there is practically little respect left for them.
So very sad...but then guess one gets so thick skinned (somewhat shameless with even blinders on) playing "god" as Minister or PM or High Official that somewhere even the fact that people have lost respect for you but just pretend because of the position you hold doesn't make you cringe anymore.
It's my way or highway at any cost ! So sad...so very sad.... But, somehow I don't think all is lost. That is why we are in a democracy.
So very sad...but then guess one gets so thick skinned (somewhat shameless with even blinders on) playing "god" as Minister or PM or High Official that somewhere even the fact that people have lost respect for you but just pretend because of the position you hold doesn't make you cringe anymore.
It's my way or highway at any cost ! So sad...so very sad.... But, somehow I don't think all is lost. That is why we are in a democracy.