Intend to Reside/stay EVEN after getting citizenship

[marcus66502]

If UK did not protect Canada during 1700's and 1800's, Canada would not have been in existence and USA would have invaded Canada long ago. War of 1812 is an example of it. USA fought 3 brief wars to grab Toronto, but failed. You are sitting in Canada because of UK's protection 200-300 years ago.

UK said on July 01, 1867 that you are a nation. On July 01 every year, Canada celebrates Happy Birthday as a birth of a nation. There is no independence day of Canada. In 1867, Queen Victoria was the queen of UK. Canada highly regards her and have a stat holiday in her name every year (Victoria Day). It is not a stat holiday in UK, but in Canada.

I'm not so sure that the UK was necessarily protecting Canada. There was no Canada in the 1700s and the first half of the 1800s so in the War of 1812 the UK was protecting its own empire. That was not a war between Canada and the US. It was a war between the forces of the British Empire and the US Army, with the territory of the present-day Canada as the battleground. Strictly speaking, there has never been a war between Canada and the US.

More to the point, on numerous occasions the UK has sided with the US on territorial disputes between the North American British colonies and the US. Examples would be the Alaska boundary dispute and the Washington state boundary dispute.

In any case, what you're talking about happened 200 years ago and has no relevance to today. I find it funny that the government prints out absolute crap in it's official CIC website. Somewhere in the citizenship guide it says that we depend on the Queen for protection. Leaving aside the fact that very few Canadians think of Queen Elizabeth when they ponder national security, I must say no offense but if the US today decided to use it's military to wipe us off the map, there is nothing the Queen of England can do for us in the way of protection. In fact, the UK itself wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against the US military machine. You're talking about a nation that's got 10 times our population. Even in the absence of any technological advantage, they'd win by sheer superiority of numbers alone. To pretend our interests are more aligned with places like the UK and Australia is nothing short of delusional nonsense.

 

[margobear96]

At this moment I intend to stay for the next 5 years but next 10 years...really don't know. It all depends on opportunities and growths for me and my family. I was not born here, why would I stay here if it does not benefit me and my family. Would you stay here if the condition of this country affects negatively you and your family? I would say no, some would say yes. All are entitled to their opinion. Please don't start with loyalty and all that.

It all comes down to your own interest, own benefits. Some people say they love this country (although not born and grew up here)...blah blah....you love this country because of the better opportunities, economy...etc. Would you be so sure to say the same if Canada economy hit hyperinflation, no job, no food, no security...I would not even ,for one second, consider to stay here if the condition of this country affect my family.

It's a fair game for me and maybe for some people here as we work, we pay tax, we contribute to the economy. Win-Win situation.

Actually, I don't understand why you're applying for citizenship...aren't your interests, as you've outlined above, best served by being a permanent resident? PR gives you right to live and work in Canada and get benefits (win-win, as you say). If poop hits the fan and you'd leave immediately without a backward glance...why would you want citizenship in a failed state/state that no longer serves your interests anyway?

 

[nguyentu2001]

Actually, I don't understand why you're applying for citizenship...aren't your interests, as you've outlined above, best served by being a permanent resident? PR gives you right to live and work in Canada and get benefits (win-win, as you say). If poop hits the fan and you'd leave immediately without a backward glance...why would you want citizenship in a failed state/state that no longer serves your interests anyway?

Are you having a bad day?
Why even bother to wonder why! haha
;D ;D ;D no need to understand my purpose, and I don't need to explain why to you. Just move on and be happy! Enjoy this topic as people are throwing entertaining arguments.

Actually, I did enjoy your comment over my comment. Thank you for spending your time to reply.

 

[rajmalhotra7]

Well atleast this way Canadians would not have to go south of the border for shopping. Day to day living expenses would be much cheaper

Well on a positive note yes you are correct. However, on the downside you would have to meet US entry and greencard requirements to come and live here.

 

[chakrab]

Insult is what people usually resort to in order to protect their ego when they have no real argument.

He has no argument. The queen of England was never coronized as the the queen of Canada. To be technical, there is no Canadian throne. No such thing exists, never has. The fact that the government of Canada issues arbitrary decrees that keep saying she's the queen of Canada and a citizen of Canada doesn't change anything. I suppose the Minister can go around the world and wave his magic stick at the queen of England or any other person for that matter and say "I pronounce you Canadian" but that's just an abuse of power and doesn't make people Canadian in any way shape or form. The queen of England was not born in Canada and was never naturalized as a citizen of Canada in accordance with the Canadian law that applies to you, me, and anyone else.

you do realize that canada is a constitutional monarchy and that "Queen of Canada" is an official title. in fact canada is one of the countrues that is listed under reigning monarchies, just like spain and monaco.

 

[margobear96]

Are you having a bad day?
Why even bother to wonder why! haha
;D ;D ;D no need to understand my purpose, and I don't need to explain why to you. Just move on and be happy! Enjoy this topic as people are throwing entertaining arguments.

Actually, I did enjoy your comment over my comment. Thank you for spending your time to reply.

Not having a bad day. Just curious given the context of the thread (Canadian citizenship and a potential post-citizenship residency requirement). I was a long-term greencard holder (~20 years) before I naturalized. Partly because I got my greencard as a dependent and was completely daunted by the paperwork, but also because practically speaking for me the only difference between a greencard and citizenship was voting. However, I did eventually naturalize because work mobility became more important and I FELT AMERICAN (lived in the US since I was 5 y.o.). (Marrying a Canadian happened after I applied.)

 

[txboyscout]

It almost sounds like an oath to become a British citizen. Other than a couple of appearances of the word Canada, all references of loyalty are to the queen of England. And this for a country that claims to be independent. What a joke!

Don't anyone dare start delving into how canada is linked to britain historically and how the queen represents canada blah blah blah. I've heard all that bull*censored word* before and I don't care for it.

Again you are missing the point. You are swearing an oath of loyalty to what she represents-Canada

And she is NOT the Queen of England where Canada is concerned. She is THE QUEEN IN RIGHT OF CANADA. Canada is a constitutional monarchy separate from the UK. She is Canada's head of state. Even if the UK decided to get rid of its monarchy tomorrow, Canada would still be a constitutional monarchy unless Canada decides to not be one. You may not like that or agree with that but that is what it is.

And yes, all wars that Canada participates in are declared in her name. Parliament has the right to declare war but it is done in her name, just as the government is formed in her name. So, technically if you are serving in the Canadian forces you are fighting for her.

 

[txboyscout]

I don't think you want to bet your rootie patooties that you'll do better than me in a contest of Canadian politics and history.

There is no Canadian independence day, because there is no Canadian independence. You at least got THAT right about Canada, if nothing else. Laws of Canada require royal assent (a fancy phrase for the consent of queen Elizabeth). It's not enough for the parliament to approve a bill. The queen has final say, which means that in theory she could refuse to give consent to any passed bill, preventing it from becoming law. Hence, there is no real independence.

Queen Elizabeth is the queen of England. She was born and resides in the UK, and she was coronized to the throne of the British monarch, never to any Canadian throne (if there exists a Canadian throne at all). The government of Canada can say she's the queen of Canada and a citizen of Canada all day long for all I care. That doesn't make Queen Elizabeth any more Canadian than a rock on the Grand Canyon.

This is the beauty of freedom. I have the right to speak out my opinions when they don't agree with yours. If you don't like what I have to say, you can stop reading my posts any time now. That's also an option, and it should be too hard.

She grants Royal Assent (or her representative does) as Queen of Canada.
She is not a Canadian citizen—because legally all Canadians (like Brits, Aussies etc) are her subjects and you cannot be your own subject.
You have every right to not want Canada to be a monarchy; however it currently is one so you just cannot ignore this fact—as much as you would like to.

 

[nguyentu2001]

Not having a bad day. Just curious given the context of the thread (Canadian citizenship and a potential post-citizenship residency requirement). I was a long-term greencard holder (~20 years) before I naturalized. Partly because I got my greencard as a dependent and was completely daunted by the paperwork, but also because practically speaking for me the only difference between a greencard and citizenship was voting. However, I did eventually naturalize because work mobility became more important and I FELT AMERICAN (lived in the US since I was 5 y.o.). (Marrying a Canadian happened after I applied.)

Your reaction is opposite to what I expected, very calm and polite. Thank you!
I think my reason is that being Canadian I don't have to apply for visa to go to the US or Japan often anymore since I travel back and forth quite a bit for family.

 

[chakrab]

the title Queen of Canada is very important in terms of legal disputes. if the Queen was only the Queen of UK, then she can repeal even the Canada Act, which is a British and Canadian law, at the behest of British lawmakers. However since all laws are signed under "Queen of Canada", she will need the support of Canadian ministers as well. Hence British lawmakers can't influence laws in Canada any more even though the laws are signed by the Queen.

 

[chakrab]

She grants Royal Assent (or her representative does) as Queen of Canada.
She is not a Canadian citizen—because legally all Canadians (like Brits, Aussies etc) are her subjects and you cannot be your own subject.
You have every right to not want Canada to be a monarchy; however it currently is one so you just cannot ignore this fact—as much as you would like to.

Good to hear someone who has knowledge on the matter. some people will argue for nothing. the queen isn't even considered a british citizen because as a sovereign one can't be a citizen of that state. monarchs are considered by the legal category of citizens.

 

[marcus66502]

Again you are missing the point. You are swearing an oath of loyalty to what she represents-Canada

And she is NOT the Queen of England where Canada is concerned. She is THE QUEEN IN RIGHT OF CANADA. Canada is a constitutional monarchy separate from the UK. She is Canada's head of state. Even if the UK decided to get rid of its monarchy tomorrow, Canada would still be a constitutional monarchy unless Canada decides to not be one. You may not like that or agree with that but that is what it is.

And yes, all wars that Canada participates in are declared in her name. Parliament has the right to declare war but it is done in her name, just as the government is formed in her name. So, technically if you are serving in the Canadian forces you are fighting for her.

It's not about what I like or dislike. You still haven't shown me what makes her the queen of Canada other than the government of Canada saying so. You might as well go ahead and say the rock in my back yard is our head of state. I would feel much better if at least we had a queen that was our own: was born in Canada and was coronized to Canadian throne. I don't recall when Queen Elizabeth was coronized to the Canadian throne but there is a well-documented coronization process of her to the British monarch's throne.

You also still haven't answered my question: would you go die in a war that Queen Elizabeth has called you to? I'm looking for just a simple Yes or No, not a discussion about who would I be serving. This is what makes this discussion sort of pointless. You won't ever be conscripted to die for the Queen and so all your talk is just that ... cheap words.

 

[chakrab]

On Feb. 6, 1952, Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor was proclaimed Queen of Canada. She gets the throne by succession.

The Queen's Privy Council for Canada issued the first proclamation of the Queen's accession, doing so on Wednesday, 6 February. It was read at Rideau Hall as follows

"WHEREAS it hath pleased Almighty God to call to His Mercy Our Late Sovereign Lord King George the Sixth of blessed and glorious memory by whose decease the Crown of Great Britain, Ireland and all other His late Majesty's dominions is solely and rightfully come to the High and Mighty Princess Elizabeth Alexandra Mary, Now Know Ye that I, the said Right Honourable Thibaudeau Rinfret, Administrator of Canada as aforesaid, assisted by Her Majesty's Privy Council for Canada do now hereby with one voice and consent of tongue and heart, publish and proclaim that the High and Mighty Princess Elizabeth Alexandra Mary is now by the death of Our late Sovereign of happy and glorious memory become our only lawful and rightful Liege Lady Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith, Supreme Liege Lady in and over Canada, to whom we acknowledge all faith and constant obedience with all hearty and humble affection, beseeching God by whom all Kings and Queens do reign to bless the Royal Princess Elizabeth the Second with long and happy years to reign over us.
Given under my Hand and Seal at Arms at Ottawa, this Sixth day of February, in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and fifty-two, and in the first year of Her Majesty's reign."

The proclamation has nothing to do with the government of Canada.

 

[chakrab]

You also still haven't answered my question: would you go die in a war that Queen Elizabeth has called you to? I'm looking for just a simple Yes or No, not a discussion about who would I be serving. This is what makes this discussion sort of pointless. You won't ever be conscripted to die for the Queen and so all your talk is just that ... cheap words.

At this point I haven't enlisted in the Canadian forces, so I am not going to go die in a war for Canada or the Prime Minister, let alone the Queen. There are braver men who are enlisted in the forces for that. But when one joins the army, they are sworn in to fight under the Queen and they do go to war under her name.

 

[txboyscout]

It's not about what I like or dislike. You still haven't shown me what makes her the queen of Canada other than the government of Canada saying so. You might as well go ahead and say the rock in my back yard is our head of state. I would feel much better if at least we had a queen that was our own: was born in Canada and was coronized to Canadian throne. I don't recall when Queen Elizabeth was coronized to the Canadian throne but there is a well-documented coronization process of her to the British monarch's throne.

You also still haven't answered my question: would you go die in a war that Queen Elizabeth has called you to? I'm looking for just a simple Yes or No, not a discussion about who would I be serving. This is what makes this discussion sort of pointless. You won't ever be conscripted to die for the Queen and so all your talk is just that ... cheap words.

Again you are arguing something just for the sake for arguing. The Government of Canada has the LEGAL RIGHT TO DECIDE on behalf of the country; and they have decided that the Canadian Monarch will be the same person as the British Monrach. Again, at her coronation she was proclaimed Queen of the United Kindgom and all of her OTHER REALMS-which includes Canada.

I am not willing to die in a war-period. But should I choose to fight in the Canadian forces, I will be fighting (and dying if it came to that) in her name. Same goes for anyone else who is in the Canadian forces. If you choose to serve in the forces, you have no other choice but to serve in her name