Intend to Reside/stay EVEN after getting citizenship

[pompi]

I am little selfish here starting this as a new topic about one of the thing I want to focus on in the new bill i.e. Intend to reside / stay proposal in the new bill proposed EVEN once you are granted citizenship. Isn't it sounded like discrimination or attack on freedom or conditional citizenship?
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I can understand what motivated lawmakers to introduce this in the new bill but I dont see it as a solution rather they should tighten healthcare and immigration system itself. But once you are granted as canadian fulfilling all the requirements they throw at us, shouldn't be any questions asked on what your plans or intentions after?

Dont think that I am one of them who are planning to leave the country as soon as passport reaches me but I always believe in options.

I would suggest commentors to stick to this particular point of the bill in this topic without diverting traction to other unwanted things in the bill. Thanks and comments are appreciated from seniors to better understand the meaning of this and how will it affect future citizens. Thanks

 

[chakrab]

i personally believe this has more to do with the investor program PRs than any other. the government has recently abandoned the investor program citing the very claim made in the "intend to reside" clause. it has also to do with federal benefits. why would the government pay pension benefits, old age benefits to people who never pay any taxes.

i know it looks bad on paper for most new citizens, but the intend wasn't to discriminate. i mean, why get the canadian citizenship if one doesn't live in canada ever?

 

[pompi]

i personally believe this has more to do with the investor program PRs than any other. the government has recently abandoned the investor program citing the very claim made in the "intend to reside" clause. it has also to do with federal benefits. why would the government pay pension benefits, old age benefits to people who never pay any taxes.

i know it looks bad on paper for most new citizens, but the intend wasn't to discriminate. i mean, why get the canadian citizenship if one doesn't live in canada ever?

I and many others have intend to stay here and that why we are applying for it. But its like you are passing any certification in any field(with all hard work you put in) but it comes with a condition that you have to work in the same field or else it's not valid. It should rather be an option regardless!!!

 

[chakrab]

there's currently 70K applicants in the investor program who wishes to gain PR in canada, and later citizenship, without the intending to stay. i don't think people like us will have any issues. even going off-shore for couple of years will not affect us in any way.

 

[khakalove]

I think so this ,wil be controvertial, because, it dose,nt happen any where in the world,if sombody has dule nationily, he has a right by law to live, in his another national country aswell,,,,,,this bill is not good for people......

 

[chakrab]

I think so this ,wil be controvertial, because, it dose,nt happen any where in the world,if sombody has dule nationily, he has a right by law to live, in his another national country aswell,,,,,,this bill is not good for people......

many countries have the right to revoke citizenship for naturalized citizens if they are caught to have cheated or lied during the process.

 

[pompi]

many countries have the right to revoke citizenship for naturalized citizens if they are caught to have cheated or lied during the process.

Thats the point. While signing the doc for this intend to stay you might not have any plans to leave the country. But circumstances or opportunity comes to you and you have to leave the country..will it be considered as a lie or cheat?

 

[chakrab]

i am going to be blunt, being a natural born citizen and a naturalized citizen is not same in any country. whether it's US or Canada or any of our own. A person not born in the country can't be the president in US. there are similar laws in Canada as well. If you are found to join the army of another country, your naturalized citizenship can be examined. whoever thought that natural born citizens and naturalized citizens have the absolute same rights are wearing rose coloured glasses or never looked in the laws clearly.

 

[pompi]

i am going to be blunt, being a natural born citizen and a naturalized citizen is not same in any country. whether it's US or Canada or any of our own. A person not born in the country can't be the president in US. there are similar laws in Canada as well. If you are found to join the army of another country, your naturalized citizenship can be examined. whoever thought that natural born citizens and naturalized citizens have the absolute same rights are wearing rose coloured glasses or never looked in the laws clearly.

Lets keep the discussion to NORMAL and not to extreme situations...99.99% of the people are not terrorist or neighter dreaming to be a PM of canada

 

[chakrab]

i understand your points, but the laws are for such situations. in a normal situation, you become citizen, pay taxes here, get benefits and live happy. you don't have to worry about the clause now, do you?

 

[nguyentu2001]

Thats the point. While signing the doc for this intend to stay you might not have any plans to leave the country. But circumstances or opportunity comes to you and you have to leave the country..will it be considered as a lie or cheat?

At this moment I intend to stay for the next 5 years but next 10 years...really don't know. It all depends on opportunities and growths for me and my family. I was not born here, why would I stay here if it does not benefit me and my family. Would you stay here if the condition of this country affects negatively you and your family? I would say no, some would say yes. All are entitled to their opinion. Please don't start with loyalty and all that.

It all comes down to your own interest, own benefits. Some people say they love this country (although not born and grew up here)...blah blah....you love this country because of the better opportunities, economy...etc. Would you be so sure to say the same if Canada economy hit hyperinflation, no job, no food, no security...I would not even ,for one second, consider to stay here if the condition of this country affect my family.

It's a fair game for me and maybe for some people here as we work, we pay tax, we contribute to the economy. Win-Win situation.

 

[nguyentu2001]

By the way, we pay for health care here in BC monthly...so it is not really free! ^_^. We pay for it one way or another. Fair trade!

 

[informatics]

i understand your points, but the laws are for such situations. in a normal situation, you become citizen, pay taxes here, get benefits and live happy. you don't have to worry about the clause now, do you?

Ok ....so one can plan or predict about his own plans but what about our kids.My elder son would be 18 by the time he will be eligible to apply ,so what if he gets a scholarship to study Economics at Harvard or Oxford (Canadian government itself does provide scholarships for both these institutions) ,should he let go these once in a life time opportunities simply because he had to sign that clause at the age of 18 ,when he did not have any plans in his mind about his future.At the age of 40+ for myself and my husband 50+ could plan for ourselves but whats the fault of our kids ? Why they should be deprived of the opportunities ,which their fellow Canadians enjoy by default .

This is really rediculous !

 

[pompi]

By the way, we pay for health care here in BC monthly...so it is not really free! ^_^. We pay for it one way or another. Fair trade!

I agree healthcare is broker system here but is this the way to resolve?..like in ON, one has to wait for 3 months before he/she eligible for healthcare after staying away from country for a long duration.... they may want to look into loopholes to avoid people taking advantage but this clause still doesn't make sense

 

[pompi]

Ok ....so one can plan or predict about his own plans but what about our kids.My elder son would be 18 by the time he will be eligible to apply ,so what if he gets a scholarship to study Economics at Harvard or Oxford (Canadian government itself does provide scholarships for both these institutions) ,should he let go these once in a life time opportunities simply because he had to sign that clause at the age of 18 ,when he did not have any plans in his mind about his future.At the age of 40+ for myself and my husband 50+ could plan for ourselves but whats the fault of our kids ? Why they should be deprived of the opportunities ,which their fellow Canadians enjoy by default .

This is really rediculous !

Agreed...many would have planned and even applied considering rules at that time....it should be applied to new applicants of PR...by which they can make informed decision whether to come to CAD or not!!??