you're reading the form wrong. note it says a copy of EITHER of your... That doesn't mean you need to supply everything on the list. it means you need to chose 1 of the items and send that. if he doesn't have a birth certificate available, he can send a copy of his pr card or record of landing document. read the forms carefully.Bluesky2016 said:
Inland or Outland
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In Guideline, for each country there are more requirements 
, also it needs Medical Examination that I dont have now but I can get.
, also it needs Medical Examination that I dont have now but I can get.please post which country specific guide suggests a birth certificate is required for the sponsor and where it says this? generally the country specific guide is for the APPLICANT, not the sponsor. the sponsor only needs to worry about the sponsor package.Bluesky2016 said:In Guideline, for each country there are more requirements
Your husband, the sponsor does not need a medical exam. only you do, and you can wait until your visa office requests it. you do not have to submit it upfront.
for application purposes, it's important you understand your husband is not your "spouse" or "family member". whenever you see that listed on an applicant form, it does not mean your sponsor spouse. those terms are ONLY referring to those listed in the application that are also applying for pr. for example, if both of you were applying for PR together (which you are not), then both of you would be required to fill out the applicant information. for application purposes, your husband is your "sponsor".
Thanks alot for your explanation.
Please see in the following:
"Section2: IDENTITY AND CIVIL STATUS DOCUMENTS
Provide the following:
• birth certificates,
• baptismal certificates or,
• other official document confirming relationship for you and each of your family members.
(including all pages of Household Registries, except CIS residents).
Include proof of name changes, if applicable (for example, name change certificate, previous
marriage certificate showing name changes).
For any family member who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident of Canada, send a
photocopy of their:
• citizenship certificate,
• permanent resident card,
• Record of Landing (IMM 1000) or Confirmati"
You are right . Thanks. It is talking about applicant, spouse.... Thank you for your clear explanation.
Please see in the following:
"Section2: IDENTITY AND CIVIL STATUS DOCUMENTS
Provide the following:
• birth certificates,
• baptismal certificates or,
• other official document confirming relationship for you and each of your family members.
(including all pages of Household Registries, except CIS residents).
Include proof of name changes, if applicable (for example, name change certificate, previous
marriage certificate showing name changes).
For any family member who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident of Canada, send a
photocopy of their:
• citizenship certificate,
• permanent resident card,
• Record of Landing (IMM 1000) or Confirmati"
You are right . Thanks. It is talking about applicant, spouse.... Thank you for your clear explanation.
CDNPR2014 said:
I was hoping to finish this application today as it took a long time for me to finish all the necessary gatherings....
I need to know that is there anyone that come across by the case that the person In Canada applied through Outland case?
My question is that if there is such a possiblity, why people put themselves in suffering condition of long processing time of Inland? Is there anything that I misunderstood?
BTW, how long does it take to do medical check in Toronto?
I need to know that is there anyone that come across by the case that the person In Canada applied through Outland case?
My question is that if there is such a possiblity, why people put themselves in suffering condition of long processing time of Inland? Is there anything that I misunderstood?
BTW, how long does it take to do medical check in Toronto?
yes, many people do this and it is very common. i was a visitor in canada while my application was submitted and traveled back and forth every couple of months. if you read the inland guide carefully, you'll actually see that CIC suggests people take advantage of the shorter wait times and apply outside of canada. it is not an issue and not something to stress about. here's an entire thread dedicated to commonlaw partners in canada who applied outland (and this is not limited to common law partners. many married people do the same thing.) :Bluesky2016 said:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/outland-applicants-live-within-canada-with-common-law-partnerspouse-are-here-t411451.0.html
usually because they get really bad advice from immigration attorneys or consultants. sometimes it's because they assume it's not possible and don't know about this forum to find out it is. another reason is because they are currently in canada on a work or study permit for an extended period of time, and there really is no urgency to getting pr.Bluesky2016 said:
Since i'm assuming there are multiple approved doctors in the toronto area, it really is going to depend on which office. the best way to know is to call and ask. usually wait times are not very long. again, you don't have to submit this upfront, so it doesn't need to hold up your submission. you'll get instructions about how to send it to the visa office.Bluesky2016 said:
Literally thousands of people have done this. Nobody has ever encountered a single problem in this respect, and CIC even recommends in the inland guide to apply outland instead for quicker processing time.Bluesky2016 said:
Thanks alot folks for your advise. Really appreciated.. Now I am convinced with your great clarifications and the cases that showed me.
Definitely I would like to apply outland as I am on study permit till Jan.
Please correct me if I misunderstood: "I can apply Outland without submitting medical exam with my application". I saw in the checklist, item 27 : Proof of medical exam for sponsored.
Also, please advise me about police certificate as you are very knowledgeable about CIC. I live in Canada for 4 years and I went back home(Iran) 2 years ago and I have my Police certificate from there which is for that time. As we donot have embassy now in Canada, it is very hard to get another one, and it took a while. I was trying to send that one and thinking if they contact me I will explain them the situation. what do you recommend?
Definitely I would like to apply outland as I am on study permit till Jan.
Please correct me if I misunderstood: "I can apply Outland without submitting medical exam with my application". I saw in the checklist, item 27 : Proof of medical exam for sponsored.
Also, please advise me about police certificate as you are very knowledgeable about CIC. I live in Canada for 4 years and I went back home(Iran) 2 years ago and I have my Police certificate from there which is for that time. As we donot have embassy now in Canada, it is very hard to get another one, and it took a while. I was trying to send that one and thinking if they contact me I will explain them the situation. what do you recommend?
This is STILL one of my pet peeves with CIC:Rob_TO said:
(from the Inland Guide)-
The family class is aimed at faster processing of spouse or common‑law partner applications from applicants outside Canada.
More than one person has misinterpreted that to mean that they must be OUTSIDE Canada to submit an [Outland] application. Why CIC can't take the :30 that it would take to re-write/clarify that sentence, is beyond me.
It's suggested that you have the medical before sending an Outland application. If you don't, your application could be returned, deemed to be incomplete.Bluesky2016 said:
If you have not returned to Iran since the day that the PCC was issued, you will not need a new one. You do not need a PCC from Canada unless CIC requests one from you.
yes, the medical exam and the pcc are listed as "required" documents on the application checklist. However, CIC has been looking the other way when those are not submitted up front in outland applications. Why? because those items are not required to process the sponsor's applicaiton, which is what is being done first. those items are not necessary until the applicant's application is being processed, and CIC will request them at that time if they are not in the file. while it may delay the application slightly, it is something that is commonly done, and as you can see from ponga's post, there are different opinions about it. from what i've seen on this forum, it is very rare an outland application is returned or considered incomplete because ONLY a medical or pcc is not submitted upfront. there are hundreds if not thousands of applicants who do it without issue. is it a risk? sure... most things are. is the risk high? from what i've seen/read - i don't believe so. the most common reasons for returned outland applications is either by mistake from cic, because of missing application forms/signatures, or the forms submitted are old versions.Bluesky2016 said:
my advice about the PCC is to submit what you have and write a letter of explanation about your current efforts to get a new one. have you returned to your home country since you received that report? if not, i *think* there is a new rule about pcc validity and CIC *might* accept it. again, it's not required upfront, so it's best to send what you have and provide a letter of explanation. it's better to provide this information upfront than wait for them to contact you. even though it's a difficult process, you still need to do your own due diligence and attempt to get one. you may find your country is one of the countries that needs a letter from CIC before they will release one for you. if that's the case, the visa office will know this and will provide instructions accordingly. you do not need a pcc from canada. if cic wants one, they will ask for it.
Me again... we are likely going to do an Outland. What are the in/out privileges like during the processing period. It would be a big issues if I told him he was stuck in Canada all throughout the winter lol
CIC has been way more lenient with Inland applicants, regarding deferring the medical. Some Outland applicants have had their entire application returned because of missing medical.CDNPR2014 said:
If she can schedule the medical ASAP and chooses a doctor that uses the eMedical system, it won't be a huge delay in her sending the Outland package.
Welcome back to your thread.noradaniel22614 said:
It's not that an Inland (or Outland) applicant is `stuck' in Canada. Each applicant has the freedom to leave Canada, BUT...and Inland applicant that is refused re-entry INTO Canada has a real problem. Not so for an Outland applicant.
He can stay in Canada throughout the winter, as long as he maintains legal status.
i'd argue there was probably more missing from those applications than ONLY the medical (though those facts can be hard to prove on this forum). most of the cases i've read about where the medical was not submitted upfront with an outland application, the visa office requested it down the road while the application was being processed, and it did not delay sponsor approval at all. the outland SA letter even gives instructions about how to send it to the visa office if it was not submitted up front. they are certainly lenient about this with outland applications as well.Ponga said:
i do agree it's best to submit it upfront to get it out of the way. i don't agree it is "required".