I (everyone) deserve better service with $1500 huge charge

[kkcat]

IT received: June. 10
App packaged delivered (signature by OOPNP office): June. 15
AOR: July. 6

It is ridiculously slow to get my package processed. Were there a yelp page for OOPNP, I would have definitely scored it 0

 

[purplesnow]

demanding aren't you? You're not the only one who applied and they've doubtless got lots of other stuff to do too.
Plus, in Canada, $1500 isn't really all that much.

 

[SAJ_ee2015]

IT received: June. 10
App packaged delivered (signature by OOPNP office): June. 15
AOR: July. 6

It is ridiculously slow to get my package processed. Were there a yelp page for OOPNP, I would have definitely scored it 0

Application processing time is 3 months right? So you will have to wait atleast for that much period.

 

[Russian]

It is written in the application guide: proccesing time 90 days. If you are not satisfied with this processing period why you applied?

 

[scylla]

Plus, in Canada, $1500 isn't really all that much.

Agreed. It doesn't even cover the costs of processing a file.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Agreed. It doesn't even cover the costs of processing a file.

LOL really? What kind of processing is needed? Like they charge 200 dollars an hour or something?

 

[scylla]

LOL really? What kind of processing is needed? Like they charge 200 dollars an hour or something?

You've got to be kidding if you think it only takes 7.5 hours in total to review and complete processing for an application. It takes a great deal more than that to review all of the documentation, complete background and security checks, process the medicals, etc. And it's obviously not just the salary costs that have to be covered, there are also facilities, utilities, equipment, etc. etc. etc., It's a well known fact that the fees paid by applicants do not cover the actual costs of processing applications - not even close. Tax payers cover the rest of the costs. That might not seem like a big deal to you now - but wait until you are living in Canada and paying taxes here.

 

[kateg]

LOL really? What kind of processing is needed? Like they charge 200 dollars an hour or something?

Do you have any idea how much it costs to run a highly-reliable, enterprise-grade IT system?

Software is expensive, and servers are expensive. Plus, there are all the direct labour costs, the indirect labour costs (benefits), and so on.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Scylla and kateg, I have been working and paying taxes in Canada since 2011, and my current job is in a computer software company, so I probably know something about the tax situation in Canada as well as the software costs.

My company sells engineering simulation software that costs tens of thousands of US dollars for a license, one of the most expensive software in any kind. The IT system they use has to be large scale, but still it only needs an initial investment. Of course it'll need regular maintenance, but I find it hard to believe for the thousands to tens of thousands of applicants they are getting, which translates to millions to tens of millions in application fee, they are still red in the budget!?

Besides, whatever this program is, they can run it year after year, so even if they can't recover the hefty initial investment in the first year, surely they will start to make money in the following years!? Mind you, they are a monopoly in this market, so it's not like they have competition or anything. So they can put any price tag they want!

 

[ntwkengg]

Scylla and kateg, I have been working and paying taxes in Canada since 2011, and my current job is in a computer software company, so I probably know something about the tax situation in Canada as well as the software costs.

My company sells engineering simulation software that costs tens of thousands of US dollars for a license, one of the most expensive software in any kind. The IT system they use has to be large scale, but still it only needs an initial investment. Of course it'll need regular maintenance, but I find it hard to believe for the thousands to tens of thousands of applicants they are getting, which translates to millions to tens of millions in application fee, they are still red in the budget!?

Besides, whatever this program is, they can run it year after year, so even if they can't recover the hefty initial investment in the first year, surely they will start to make money in the following years!? Mind you, they are a monopoly in this market, so it's not like they have competition or anything. So they can put any price tag they want!

great reply... this shows dont judge anyone without knowing their background. Even I know in and outs of IT and networking and I can bet it cost nothing as compared to their high processing fees and high processing time. they are just creating hype for their new system and they want to win again in Oct so just slowing a bit in this reforms to show Canadians that they care.....

 

[kjz_box]

First of all mind my language,

Could you please stop wasting this forum's server disk space for such "non-sense" topic.

At least Ontario is helping its students and professionals, come to the west part of Canada, thousands and thousands of professionals have gone back to their country because of EE. Though they were eligible for either FSW or CEC.

So, SHUT UP and don't criticize OOPNP, at least its helping us..

IF YOU CANT AFFORD DON'T APPLY.

 

[kateg]

My company sells engineering simulation software that costs tens of thousands of US dollars for a license, one of the most expensive software in any kind. The IT system they use has to be large scale, but still it only needs an initial investment. Of course it'll need regular maintenance, but I find it hard to believe for the thousands to tens of thousands of applicants they are getting, which translates to millions to tens of millions in application fee, they are still red in the budget!?

If we're going based on dollars, my company sells software that costs hundreds of US thousands of dollars for a license. I've also sold to government. My application is NOC 2174 for a reason.

Datacenters are expensive. Running your own doubly so. Governments tend to run their services in-house for privacy and legal reasons.

When the United States decided to do their healthcare exchange, it cost roughly [$350 million US](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-much-did-healthcare-gov-cost/).

Immigration carries a large cost, one that is eventually made up from taxes in many of the cases, but not always. It requires immigration officials, their management, support personnel, buildings to house them, and IT to support them.

The IT services require support from many different databases, including criminal, and enforcement officers to research individuals, and to stay up-to-date on things like police certificates from every country on the planet. There are also additional costs including taxes and benefits for the employees.

If you look at CIC, for example:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/dpr/2014/dpr.asp

The actual revenues for CIC in 2013-2014 were 966 million dollars. The net cost of operations was 1.6 billion dollars. Right of permanent residence fees were 9% of CIC's revenue, and immigration fees covered 38% of their total revenues (including government spending and transfers).

I'm not able to find the specific OOPNP numbers, but I would expect it to be similar.

 

[ntwkengg]

If we're going based on dollars, my company sells software that costs hundreds of US thousands of dollars for a license. I've also sold to government. My application is NOC 2174 for a reason.

Datacenters are expensive. Running your own doubly so. Governments tend to run their services in-house for privacy and legal reasons.

When the United States decided to do their healthcare exchange, it cost roughly [$350 million US](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-much-did-healthcare-gov-cost/).

Immigration carries a large cost, one that is eventually made up from taxes in many of the cases, but not always. It requires immigration officials, their management, support personnel, buildings to house them, and IT to support them.

The IT services require support from many different databases, including criminal, and enforcement officers to research individuals, and to stay up-to-date on things like police certificates from every country on the planet. There are also additional costs including taxes and benefits for the employees.

If you look at CIC, for example:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/dpr/2014/dpr.asp

The actual revenues for CIC in 2013-2014 were 966 million dollars. The net cost of operations was 1.6 billion dollars. Right of permanent residence fees were 9% of CIC's revenue, and immigration fees covered 38% of their total revenues (including government spending and transfers).

I'm not able to find the specific OOPNP numbers, but I would expect it to be similar.

you are doing lot of research for things which never matter for our selection....

so just give this thing a side away it doesnt matter to us.

But one thing is sure this estimates are always over hyped. And the consulting firm which they hire to provide such services related to IT charge them a lot for no reason just a profit business. And at the end people pay their fees and taxes to overcome all those govt debts....

 

[kateg]

you are doing lot of research for things which never matter for our selection....

Never stop learning.

so just give this thing a side away it doesnt matter to us.

In a way, it does. It's important to understand the costs of our actions - to ourselves, and to others.

But one thing is sure this estimates are always over hyped.

They are usually under-hyped, as they are competitively bid. If your company says it will cost twice as much as it does, you don't get the contract. If you say it costs half as much, the government will give you the contract. Many companies then end up costing a lot more, but the estimates are generally too low, not too high.

And the consulting firm which they hire to provide such services related to IT charge them a lot for no reason just a profit business.

Sometimes. Doing business with the government is a pain. Simple changes require multiple approvals. Specifications end up being overengineered to the point of ridiculousness. There are issues of jurisdictions, so you have to get way too many people involved to accomplish even minor things.

With companies, the CEO can sign off on something, and everyone has to fall in line. With government, it's more like trying to herd cats.

 

[ZingyDNA]

So you are saying they are actually going easy on us with the application fees!?
It's interesting you are using US health care system as an example. That is for universal use for a population 10x our size. We are talking about just an immigration program for one province in Canada. That's gotta be a factor of 100 between those two? That means if they are paying anything over 5 mil they are either getting ripped or overpaying for something they don't need!

Also, you say they have to run in-house for privacy and legal reasons. I have no problems with that. But why can't they share databases with other programs, provincial or federal? They just have to share budget the right way on both levels. If they insist on doing everything as stand alone for each new immigration program, of course the cost multiplies.

BTW, I heard the US overpaid for their health care system. They hired some Canadian company due to "connections" to Obama's wife. This is probably rumor, though. Did they contract your company to do it? Governments are hard to deal with but sometimes they are just suckers ;D

If we're going based on dollars, my company sells software that costs hundreds of US thousands of dollars for a license. I've also sold to government. My application is NOC 2174 for a reason.

Datacenters are expensive. Running your own doubly so. Governments tend to run their services in-house for privacy and legal reasons.

When the United States decided to do their healthcare exchange, it cost roughly [$350 million US](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-much-did-healthcare-gov-cost/).

Immigration carries a large cost, one that is eventually made up from taxes in many of the cases, but not always. It requires immigration officials, their management, support personnel, buildings to house them, and IT to support them.