How strong is our application?

[mikeymyke]

Hi everyone,

I will be getting married on Dec 30, 2013, and I'll be submitting my FUTURE application for sponsorship for my wife shortly afterward, and I just wanted your opinion as to how strong our relationship/application would be after our marriage. Sorry if I'm asking you guys to speculate for the future, but I just want a bit of relief and peace of mind after hearing so many stories of application refusals and rejects.

Anyway here is a background of our relationship:

I met her in late April 2012 on an internet dating site. We both were not serious about looking for a relationship at the time, we both just mainly wanted someone to talk to, as we were both single, she does not go out very much, and I was going to trade school and not working at the time. Even her online profile stated that she was only looking for someone to talk to. We talked occasionally during the first month, but stopped talking for a week because we had an argument over something . After that, we began talking again, and the more we learned about each other, the more we realized we were so compatible and liked similar things. We decided to become a couple on June 2012. We chat using Yahoo, Viber, and Skype. I've saved all copies of our conversations. We also write on each other's Facebook walls often, and her friends and my friends comment a lot on our posts during our relationship.

We also write each other letters every 2 weeks, she has sent me a few gifts, and I bought her many flowers and chocolates online, and I've kept email receipts of these, as well as the letters I wrote to her, and her to me.

I travelled to Vietnam to see her on Dec 3, 2012 and stayed for 2 months (initially I wanted to go only 4 weeks, but changed my flight ticket so I could spend more time with her). For the first month, we stayed in Saigon (her hometown) and went out to eat, have coffee, play games, etc. I proposed to her on Dec 30 (her bday). 2 days later, we took a 3 week tour across Vietnam together. We travelled to 8 different cities, and even climbed the tallest mountain in SE Asia together! After our trip, we stayed in Saigon for the remainder of my time in Vietnam, at her parents house. Prior to our trip, I was just staying at a hotel. We took over 1000 pictures together during my stay in Vietnam, and I've saved hotel receipts, movie tickets, kept business cards of all the hotels we stayed in, etc.

I'm now back in Canada, and we are chatting mostly with Viber and Skype, only this time, I'm taking screenshots of my desktop while we are webcaming to show our faces and the duration of the video chat for proof. We are also writing each other letters every WEEK. I will be saving every single letter we have, and I told my fiance to do the same.

We plan to marry on her bday again, Dec 30, 2013, and we will have a honeymoon at a resort in Vietnam. Also I will be staying for another 2 months again. My entire family from Canada will attend our wedding (only 8 family members), as well as my family in Vietnam (30 members). Her family from Vietnam and France will come (total 120 guests).
After everything is done, I will try to submit our application shortly after I leave.

Sorry guys, if this is such a long story, but what do you guys think? I think the only "red flags" we have are that:
-we did talk a lot about our future, marriage, etc when we were in a relationship for only 3 months, but that's because I didn't want to enter a relationship with someone who didnt share the same feelings about the future as I did
-we planned the 3 week trip about 2 months before I came to VN (it wasn't a spontaneous decision after engagement)
-after I proposed to her, we didnt have an engagement party, I just invited her family for dinner at a restaurant to make the announcement
-we only spent time together in person, for 2 months and the total time from beginning of relationship to engage is almost 7 months

 

[goodman36]

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You will be getting married in December, 2013. Still plenty of time left.

You must have many pictures, communication log etc.

While you may not had a formal engagement party, you had a dinner with her family so when time comes you can explain it and provide a picture of that dinner.

You have enough.

 

[fandv]

as well as my family in Vietnam (30 members).

So you have a Vietnamese background too? That helps too, I think .

 

[truesmile]

Sounds great! Your story is almost identical to ours, except for the different country and I had no family there (nor at the wedding we held there either). We submitted about 60 pics, and NO skype logs, emails, nor chat logs. If you have tickets for trains, buses, and entrance to the sightseeing you did on your 8-city tour however, those would be great to include. All the best!

 

[VanSquirrel]

The great thing about long-distance is that you have no shortage of proofs. I think there is no doubt that the relationship is real, and you don't even have to worry about that at all. What you will have to prove, in my opinion, is that your fiancee is not simply using you to get to Canada. I read a post in this forum about a couple who got denied for that reason. The IO was convinced that the husband (the applicant) was using the wife (the sponsor) for the reason that the husband changed programs of study quite a bit during his stay in Canada as a student. The IO was convinced this meant that he was not serious and was just using the study permit to find a gullible wife to dupe. From reading their story, it sounded like the IO's reasons were rather flimsy but nonetheless, the couple was denied.

I'm not really sure how you could prove her sincerity though. Maybe you could provide stories or things she did for you that would be arguments for her sincerity and include that in the letter to be included with your application package. Once you've got that down, I think everything else should be a breeze.

Another thing...... I'm not sure how things work for Outland applications because I'm doing Inland, but I think cohabitation is also a big plus. If she came to Canada after the wedding on a visitor visa and lived with you... big plus. But again, I don't know how CIC regards this when it comes to Outland applications.

 

[mikeymyke]

What you will have to prove, in my opinion, is that your fiancee is not simply using you to get to Canada. I read a post in this forum about a couple who got denied for that reason. The IO was convinced that the husband (the applicant) was using the wife (the sponsor) for the reason that the husband changed programs of study quite a bit during his stay in Canada as a student. The IO was convinced this meant that he was not serious and was just using the study permit to find a gullible wife to dupe. From reading their story, it sounded like the IO's reasons were rather flimsy but nonetheless, the couple was denied.

I'm not really sure how you could prove her sincerity though. Maybe you could provide stories or things she did for you that would be arguments for her sincerity and include that in the letter to be included with your application package. Once you've got that down, I think everything else should be a breeze.

Haha actually, I think I have proof of that. After about 2 weeks talking to her, I said to her, I didn't really like Vietnam, and I don't understand why some people would choose to live there instead of in a developed country. Then she got angry with me, and she asked, What is so bad about Vietnam? And then said she didnt want to talk to me any more. And she didnt talk to me for a week.

After we started talking again, I apologized for what I said. During the course of 6 months, when we were discussing our future, I told her I was willing to live in Vietnam if for some reason she cannot come live here in Canada. Then she said to me, "Mike I felt relieved after u told me you would live in Vietnam, because I was worried if I'm not successful to come to Canada, that you would leave me alone". And a couple of times, she told me, when she was living in the US, she didn't really like it because she felt alone, and people are so focused on being independent, not family oriented like in Vietnam. And she was living with her uncle in US, and she felt every time she came home, they never asked how her day was, or how was her school, like back home in VN. And she told me, whether she lives in VN or Canada, it really doesn't matter to her, she kind of prefers VN anyway, because she has lived there all her life, and is used to the lifestyle there, and she also has parents and sisters who support her a lot anyway.

Sorry for long post, but I have saved yahoo conversations when she talked about this stuff, so I think that should cover the "sincerity" on her part right?

 

[VanSquirrel]

Lol smooooth, telling her that her home country sucks.

But yeah, I think that's great, if the IO sees that. More proof would seal the deal, but I think that's pretty good. Especially since she studied in the US and then went back to Vietnam.

 

[mikeymyke]

Actually, when she said to me she wouldn't talk to me any more, I felt kind of sad about it at the time, but at the same time, I felt great because I know she's the kind of person who would rather live back in her home country than come here, because she has family back here, and they support her a lot, but over in Canada, even if it's deemed to be a country of wealth and opportunity, to her, it's a country full of uncertainty.

I think after she said she wouldn't talk to me any more, I tried to msg her, and asked, "Are you ok?", she siad "I'm fine", I said, "Can we talk about something?", she said "No", then signed off

 

[vctbs1107]

Guys, is there any way of seeing all the history from skype? I can only see it up to 3 months

 

[mikeymyke]

Thread hijacker, kidding

I can't see all my history, only up to 6 months ago. I have the latest Skype version. The older versions let me see entire history, but I can't now.

 

[vctbs1107]

this is crap. Come on.
On facebook we have like more than 23 THOUSAND messages. Its impossible to read it or print.

How many kg can our package have?

 

[aerogurl87]

I think you will be fine. But remember it's more about quality vs quantity. So I'd include various pictures over time, and not all your pictures. Also, I'd send them a snapshot of your skype logs from each month and tell them you can send them more if needed. With facebook, I'd send screenshots of pictures and posts that have the most comments from your various family and friends, vs everything including the kitchen sink. Good luck!

 

[figtoria]

this is crap. Come on.
On facebook we have like more than 23 THOUSAND messages. Its impossible to read it or print.

How many kg can our package have?

You only have to print out a sample. Screenshots the FB messages from several time periods. No way do you have to print them ALL out!

 

[silver1968]

Hi mikeymyke !

I agree with the previous responses....Your relationship info looks really good.

My situation is pretty much identical except I met my wife through our business here in Vietnam. All I can say is just be patient as your case looks pretty good it will just need to work through the steps.

We are still going through our process and its been a long one but I have been lucky in that I am over here every other month which really helps.....although the flights are killer haha

Take care and dont hesitate to msg me up if you need anything I can help you with

 

[SquirrelBR]

If I were you, as soon as you finish school, I would go to live with her in Vietnam for some time. There are great opportunities in Asia for those with your background. This way, you could have a stronger relationship, gather more proof, and so on. I think this will be both healthy for your relationship and it would lower the risks of rejection.

Also, if before you marry, she can get a visa to Canada, as single, for example for language school class (make a good visa application), it would help you be with her more. The more time you spend with her, stronger your case will be.

All the best for your plans.