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SaugaBoss

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think of the bright side... you get to spend more time with family and friends where you lived most your life... ( i know its not the same as your loved one!) thats y im going back to my hubby in a couple weeks like 22 days :D
 

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SaugaBoss said:
think of the bright side... you get to spend more time with family and friends where you lived most your life... ( i know its not the same as your loved one!) thats y im going back to my hubby in a couple weeks like 22 days :D
You cant keep thinking. Immigration is a govt agency. The govt is chosen by the people to work for the people that chose it and not against. Immigration Canada will not allow family and friends to visit you in Canada, they will not process spousal visas in time and yet we put them there. There has to be a change. We have to start a change and not just resign to fate.
 

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rjessome said:
Yes, I thought about giving up. The emotional toll was often too much to handle. The coldness of immigration hurt me. My lack of knowledge and education about the law opened my eyes in ways I had never imagined. But, more importantly, I understood that some things are worth fighting for and waiting for. I also realized that I made the choice to marry someone from a different country and I had to live with the consequences of that. Immigration red tape and struggles just happened to be the first of many consquences that we have had to overcome as a couple and there will be more.
Any time you see an immigrant, that is what he goes through everyday, everytime and forever in this country. For you, it ends when you are with your husband but for an immigrant it is forever because why? Becuase they still have family, friends, relatives etc that Immigration Canada will never allow to visit them. Its really painful especially in the winter.
 

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Couldnt have said it better rjeesome...well said! The process is a drag and sooo painful. Its emotionally draining though quitting is last thing on my mind! Ive come too far to quit... :'(
 

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I Think everyone understands your frustrations, my Husband and I are pretty well ready to give up, not sure that we even wanna be in a country that treats people this way, like, come on you all have to agree this is all wrong , those whom are not together are falling apart cause there not together and then there's us that are together but are ordered not to leave the country, not to work, ect ...how do they think all the man feel that can't work and are depended on there woman, they are not showing any heart , feeling or concern for any one that is going through all this, they say Canada is this great country, well im getting a look UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL... and let me tell you, Canada is not what it used to be..
 

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Alabaman said:
The govt is chosen by the people to work for the people that chose it and not against. Immigration Canada will not allow family and friends to visit you in Canada, they will not process spousal visas in time and yet we put them there. There has to be a change. We have to start a change and not just resign to fate.
The irony is that CIC thinks it IS protecting Canadians by keeping out potential scammers. The aim is laudable, but the implementation is deplorable. CIC requires applicants (for PRs or TRVs) to prove with documents that the Visa Officer's (VO's) suspicions are not valid. At the end of the day, NO documents will persuade a VO determined to be suspicious. You need only read CAIPS notes to see how faulty, circular, and artificial are the arguments used by VOs to justify their decisions.

The problem is that VOs must be given an enormous amount of discretionary power; that is the only way they can make decisions about applicants' future intentions based on existing documents. It is a difficult task -- because they make it difficult. If they used other methods of assessment their job would be much easier. For example, call applicants and sponsors on the phone for a preliminary assessment -- thus streaming the applications into fast or slow lanes according to problems discovered / not discovered during the preliminary interview.

Another example. Use conditional PRs, confirming them only if the couple is together after two years. This shakes out many of the scammers who marry only for a visa, and thus allows the VO to approve cases where he/she would otherwise take a lot of time checking out. Consider: the VO's career is probably jeopardized if he/she makes too many bad decisions in favour of "poor" PRs, and so VOs probably err on the side of caution. This makes the process slow and painful for all of us. Release the VOs from so much responsibility, let a two-year testing period separate the wheat from the chaff for them, and they can make decisions more speedily.

Yes, there are problems with the probationary PR -- e.g. tending to force the PR to stick with a possibly-abusive sponsor. But it would be easy to set up a tribunal system to allow special dispensations to PRs stuck in this predicament. If the overall time and expense of such a tribunal system were less than the current burdensome, slow visa process, then the idea should be examined thoroughly, and not dismissed out of hand. And surely other countries using the probationary visa system would have some helpful suggestions about how to avoid the abuses.

Many posters rebutted this suggestion in another post, saying they preferred the "once and for all" system Canada uses, but at the same time they deplored the length of time Canada takes for PR decisions! Given that the length of time is directly caused by the need to make a decision "once and for all", I am at a loss to understand the aversion to probationary PRs.

My point in writing is not to suggest that we reform the bureaucracy by talking to bureaucrats. So many bureaucracies in the past have successfully resisted attempts at reform. But sooner or later Canada will formally re-examine its immigration practices, policies, and even the Law. By then most of us will be comfortably ensconced in our lives, with our spouses, working at jobs, buying houses, raising kids. We will read about some attempted reform or other -- and we will quickly think that immigration is no longer a problem for us, and we will pass on to something else.

I suggest we NOT do that. Let's Not turn a blind eye to Immigration matters. There are many things we can do to hasten reform: write a reasoned critique of the process to one's local member of parliament; send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper; get involved in any public discussions of this issue, esecially those organized by the government to gather informed opinions from the public. There are many other ways that will be discovered if we stay attentive, if we avoid becoming complacent.

Gasp!!! I am taking a deep breath, now! :)
 

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Damn, reading this thread is pretty scary to me...
My fiance and I aren't married yet, and haven't started the process yet obviously...but hearing so much negativity and all of the anger towards the process and the system is making me wonder if it's going to be harder than I thought?
 

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i like what Bob Marlie saying in his song

Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don't give up the fight!

we all going thruh this stage.
 

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To be honest, you all are making excellent points. They are torturing us. :(
 

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AngelB said:
To be honest, you all are making excellent points. They are torturing us. :(
before we got married. i told her to expect minimum 2 to 3 years wait.and that also we will go thruh some hard times because long distance.

so sometimes clearing things up front is good so ur more accepting the facts
 

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rjessome said:
And on the other side, some of the added benefits are you will be more patient, more knowledgeable about the law in your own country, more appreciative of your partner, more helpful, and more compassionate to the stuggles of others. And you will be humbled by the kindness of strangers who share their knowledge and experience so as to hopefully guide you and ease your own journey. It's hard to imagine that there are positives but there really are. Best of luck to all of you.
Well said. Before I got married to a foreigner I had no idea how difficult it could be to immigrate. I think most people have no idea. After all, Canada is full of immigrants. People are always surprised when I or my family mention that my husband can't just come to Canada. They assume that if you marry a Canadian, you can automatically come live here.
 

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canadianwoman said:
Well said. Before I got married to a foreigner I had no idea how difficult it could be to immigrate. I think most people have no idea. After all, Canada is full of immigrants. People are always surprised when I or my family mention that my husband can't just come to Canada. They assume that if you marry a Canadian, you can automatically come live here.
yes, and people are stunned that our spouses can't even get a visa to visit! my children have never even met their step-father. he is a bundle of nerves, not because of moving to a county he's never been to, but because he's never met his own children in person, and is worried they won't like him! most canadians seem to think that canada has practically got an open door to immigrants, and have no clue what hoops most immigrants have gone through to get to canada.
 
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Alabaman said:
You cant keep thinking. Immigration is a govt agency. The govt is chosen by the people to work for the people that chose it and not against. Immigration Canada will not allow family and friends to visit you in Canada, they will not process spousal visas in time and yet we put them there. There has to be a change. We have to start a change and not just resign to fate.

i guess thats true for some people but not for me... my family can come visit me in Canada whenever they want and i can visit them openly even without a PR the only reason i want a PR is to work.... not so much for the health benefits just so i can work while im with my husband because its annoying spending so much money on univ and not using it to the fullest... im working right now but want to start working while i am with my husband...

but i understand other people's situations as well...everyone does come from different backgrounds.

on the other hand!!!!!!! my husband was banned from the USA for extending his stay but once i get my PR i will make sure they let him cross the border again... so it sux not having him visit me in the US
 

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SaugaBoss said:
i guess thats true for some people but not for me... my family can come visit me in Canada whenever they want and i can visit them openly even without a PR the only reason i want a PR is to work.... not so much for the health benefits just so i can work while im with my husband because its annoying spending so much money on univ and not using it to the fullest... im working right now but want to start working while i am with my husband...

but i understand other people's situations as well...everyone does come from different backgrounds.

on the other hand!!!!!!! my husband was banned from the USA for extending his stay but once i get my PR i will make sure they let him cross the border again... so it sux not having him visit me in the US
How does you having Cdn PR help get him unbanned?
 
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tgchi13 said:
How does you having Cdn PR help get him unbanned?
i was born in america, he was born in canada... before we got married i never went to canada for him.. he always came to the US to visit. he came for 2 weeks, 1 week, 3 weeks, 1 month. like he has been here several times. last year they said he needs to prove his ties to canada in order to come. they stopped him at the airport. they think he wants to sneak into the US illegally even though he has no intention to. so the biggest proof is showing my PR card once i get it to show that he is really not trying to live in the US he just sponsored me. ( he can easily live in the US if he wanted to , i would just have to sponsor him, but we plan on living in canada not the US)

the people at the airport stopped him and said unless you prove your ties you cant come to the US. so i think once he gathers all the info and i have my PR itll show his true intentions are in Canada. (its the retarded US CBP officers, always picking on the innocent :mad:) like he can easily move here if i sponsored him i dont get whats hard to get about that!


i see that yours was denied, i'm sorry to hear that what happened?