How do we calculate 12-month Work experience??

[asdmhee]

Thank you so much jason214...

I am questioning in behalf of my fiancee, since you've mentioned that he's not qualified to apply for CEC since his work right now is not considered to be skilled work. what are the options or programs that is eligible for him to apply for PR. Thanks in advance

 

[samir3132]

Hi every one,
Please help me when can i apply in cec
I am working in noc b from april 2012 off campus work permit part time i am graduated on sep 2012 working full time from sep2012 and i got my pgwp on oct 2012 so when will be i am eligible for 12 month?

 

[Rayvan]

Hi every one,
Please help me when can i apply in cec
I am working in noc b from april 2012 off campus work permit part time i am graduated on sep 2012 working full time from sep2012 and i got my pgwp on oct 2012 so when will be i am eligible for 12 month?

i think Oct 2013 will be your 12 months experience
thanks

 

[samir3132]

thanks rayvan,

one more quation as i finished my study on sep 2012 and i am working full time from sep 2012 so still have to wait oct 2013?
and as per new rules they did not mention how many year study?
for cec is one year study is ok? or need two year study?

thanks,
sam

 

[samir3132]

as in check list point 10 say
The point # 10 "Work experience in Canada" where it says that "Applicants who are authorized to work in Canada without a WP are eligible to apply under the CEC"

 

[lena741]

no, this isn't right, it is possible to receive the PGWP before one graduates (the date on the degree/diploma). This board is littered with applicants who made this error and then were refused because they applied 1-2 months too soon.

Any work experience before graduation cannot be counted, so she won't be eligible until after June 2013.

I'm confused by this as well and have my paperwork to apply in Feb (my PGWP was issued in Feb 2012). However, my degree wasn't conferred till May 2012.

If one wasn't a graduate, why would CIC issue them a post-graduate work permit?

My guess is that previously CIC only counted the work experience after one's degree was conferred for the graduate CEC stream because a Canadian educational institution credential was what allowed to qualify with 1 year of work experience instead of 2 required for the temporary worker stream.

Now there is no difference between the two streams. In my opinion, what CIC is saying is that work experience earned on an off-campus work permit won't be counted but the experience earned on the PGWP will be. In addition, how will CIC know that the graduation and convocation dates differ considering we are not required to provide the transcripts any more.

I understand that in the past applicants were denied because their work experience before the convocation wasn't counted. But with the changes in the program, do you still think this will be the case in the future?

Thank you everyone for your input!

 

[iamroth]

I'm confused by this as well and have my paperwork to apply in Feb (my PGWP was issued in Feb 2012). However, my degree wasn't conferred till May 2012.

If one wasn't a graduate, why would CIC issue them a post-graduate work permit?

My guess is that previously CIC only counted the work experience after one's degree was conferred for the graduate CEC stream because a Canadian educational institution credential was what allowed to qualify with 1 year of work experience instead of 2 required for the temporary worker stream.

Now there is no difference between the two streams. In my opinion, what CIC is saying is that work experience earned on an off-campus work permit won't be counted but the experience earned on the PGWP will be. In addition, how will CIC know that the graduation and convocation dates differ considering we are not required to provide the transcripts any more.

I understand that in the past applicants were denied because their work experience before the convocation wasn't counted. But with the changes in the program, do you still think this will be the case in the future?

Thank you everyone for your input!

Lena741 this is the exact problem I am facing too.
Earlier I quoted from CEC operational manual:

"For a student who had graduated from a Canadian post-secondary institution, only work
experience gained after graduation will count towards meeting the work experience
requirement (e.g. post-graduate work permit)."

Now it clearly says "for a student...work experience after graduation", but it does not say what is the definition of graduation?
But again it says "e.g. Post-graduate work permit" !!!
Does it mean if you are working and have a valid PGWP, then your work experience will be counted?

confused.

 

[samir3132]

please solve some one this

 

[lithium002]

I'm a little confused by people who are advocating the post-convocation work only counting towards the CEC work experience requirements.

As I see the checklist since the recent changes in CEC, they don't even ask for proof of graduation. The only thing they need which ties you to your degree is a copy of your most recent work permit, which, in the case of recent graduates, would be their post-graduate work permit.

It would be harsh (although that is barely a reason to assume it wouldn't be the case) if there is somehow an implicit requirement to send proof of your graduation that most of us pgwp holders have missed out on. I didn't do it with my application (I filed a few days ago) although now I'm having second thoughts after reading all of these posts.

 

[jes_ON]

I'm confused by this as well and have my paperwork to apply in Feb (my PGWP was issued in Feb 2012). However, my degree wasn't conferred till May 2012.

Then you are not eligible before May 2012.

I understand that in the past applicants were denied because their work experience before the convocation wasn't counted. But with the changes in the program, do you still think this will be the case in the future?

yes.

 

[jes_ON]

Now it clearly says "for a student...work experience after graduation", but it does not say what is the definition of graduation?

Apologies, but "Graduation" is very clear and unambiguous for native speakers, it's like asking to define "water." It means when the degree is awarded ("convocation" is the ceremony where the degree is awarded, but the date is usually the same). You are free to ask your college/university, you are free to look it up in any dictionary.

 

[jes_ON]

I'm a little confused by people who are advocating the post-convocation work only counting towards the CEC work experience requirements.

It's not "people," it's CIC. From the OP 25-A
For a student who had graduated from a Canadian post-secondary institution, only work
experience gained after graduation will count towards meeting the work experience
requirement (e.g. post-graduate work permit).
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op25A-eng.pdf


As I see the checklist since the recent changes in CEC, they don't even ask for proof of graduation.

You write it on your application forms. It can be part of the background check.

It would be harsh (although that is barely a reason to assume it wouldn't be the case) if there is somehow an implicit requirement to send proof of your graduation that most of us pgwp holders have missed out on. I didn't do it with my application (I filed a few days ago) although now I'm having second thoughts after reading all of these posts.

There is no requirement to send proof - it is EASILY verified, IF the visa officer wants to.

 

[iam_toby]

I'm confused too Tried to figure it out on my own, but failed.
If full-time work is considered being 30hrs/week and you could apply after 12months, when
am I able to apply under the CEC when i work 40hrs/week.
I started working September 2012.

Thanks so much!

 

[lithium002]

The definition of graduation in the context of what we're trying to achieve an understanding of isn't as clear as the definition of water, and neither is it something that is only confusing for non-native speakers. I've actually consulted with "native" speakers who are confused by it, and CIC itself seems to have varying definitions depending on whether you're applying for a PGWP or CEC.

The PGWP program is quite specific when it comes to showing proof of graduation in order to qualify, and anyone who has applied and received a PGWP has had to receive that proof directly from their institutions for successfully completing their program of study. Can you please clarify how someone could get a PGWP that is solely based on graduating from your program of study, and yet be denied for not having graduated later on? Are you seriously implying that this is somehow a problem with semantics that non-native speaking people cannot comprehend?

Some of you have indicated that the PGWP program and the CEC program are completely separate with differing requirements, and that is valid, however, the "definition" of graduation isn't the same if convocation equals graduation in CEC and the successful completion of a program equals graduation in PGWP, as this original poster is trying to imply.

 

[b4e7]

One question, what about if you have part-time in NOC B and normally you working 20 hours/week, but some weeks you working 30-40 hours because the company need you?.

Regards.