Home Childcare Provider Pilot 2019

[Haert]

What is the responsibility, duty and leverage Employer have after passport request of the applicant (employee)?

To me, being an employer who sent an offer letter to applicant, seems I have no responsibility, duty or leverage over employee. Its like an open work visa for employee to be child care giver from day one.

Am I correct here?

The employee will hold a restricted open work permit visa. Thus, he/she is expected to perform the duties under your roof, stipulated on the contract and as what is outlined on the NOC.

You, as an employer, should be responsible/expected to give the employee a salary that is not below the minimum hourly wage for your province.

 

[canada11]

The employee will hold a restricted open work permit visa. Thus, he/she is expected to perform the duties under your roof, stipulated on the contract and as what is outlined on the NOC.

Yes it is 'restricted open work permit visa' but can work with ANY household employer after landing. In other words, we wait for 2 - 3 years and employee can practically "run away" on next day. It is a 'job offer letter' and not a 'job contract letter'

You, as an employer, should be responsible/expected to give the employee a salary that is not below the minimum hourly wage for your province.


Yes agree.

So in my opinion, it favours backdoor immigration for friends and relatives rather employers who pay huge taxes have to wait for years and with no guarantee that child care giver will come and will work with us.

 

[Haert]

The employee will hold a restricted open work permit visa. Thus, he/she is expected to perform the duties under your roof, stipulated on the contract and as what is outlined on the NOC.

Yes it is 'restricted open work permit visa' but can work with ANY household employer after landing. In other words, we wait for 2 - 3 years and employee can practically "run away" on next day. It is a 'job offer letter' and not a 'job contract letter'

You, as an employer, should be responsible/expected to give the employee a salary that is not below the minimum hourly wage for your province.


Yes agree.

So in my opinion, it favours backdoor immigration for friends and relatives rather employers who pay huge taxes have to wait for years and with no guarantee that child care giver will come and will work with us.

At the end of the day it's still your prerogative to hire an outside applicant. However, let us not generalize all applicants that they will "run away". I assumed this would only happen if the employee is not happy with the current setup (not all, but some) A good employer-employer working relationship will address this.

Vice-versa, if the employer is not satisfied with the service of the employee. They can terminate the employee. There will always be an option to hire an inside candidate, I believe there are tons who are in dire need of the position.

Also, keep in mind that these applicants have spent tens and thousand of dollars to pay their own processing fees. Some may have even hire an immigration lawyer and consultant. For sure, they have paid for their own air fare too. I still believe that majority of applicants are genuine and sincere when they applied.

Whilst I understand your concern, and yes it's valid. However, my take on this is If you are not willing to wait, and doubtful, dont hire someone from outside. The process for all applicants is already stringent. Making it more complicated for us, is already a nightmare. I think we are just on the some boat.

 

[canada11]

At the end of the day it's still your prerogative to hire an outside applicant. However, let us not generalize all applicants that they will "run away". I assumed this would only happen if the employee is not happy with the current setup (not all, but some) A good employer-employer working relationship will address this.

Vice-versa, if the employer is not satisfied with the service of the employee. They can terminate the employee. There will always be an option to hire an inside candidate, I believe there are tons who are in dire need of the position.

Also, keep in mind that these applicants have spent tens and thousand of dollars to pay their own processing fees. Some may have even hire an immigration lawyer and consultant. For sure, they have paid for their own air fare too. I still believe that majority of applicants are genuine and sincere when they applied.

Whilst I understand your concern, and yes it's valid. However, my take on this is If you are not willing to wait, and doubtful, dont hire someone from outside. The process for all applicants is already stringent. Making it more complicated for us, is already a nightmare. I think we are just on the some boat.

1)It means my employee whom I gave job offer can travel and go anywhere without my knowledge after landing?
2) If point 1 is correct, then how can I withdraw my job offer?

3) They are able to spend thousands of dollars in process only after getting job offer and I am the one who is able to give job offer because I can prove in tax returns that we as a couple are financialy capable.

For your concern "process for all applicants is already stringent" you see it as backdoor to immigration while employer ( e.g. me) see it as exploitation for genuine employers and employees

 

[Haert]

1)It means my employee whom I gave a job offer can travel and go anywhere without my knowledge after landing?

Yes. But do you think the applicant's goal is to just travel around? after spending tens and thousands of dollars. If the applicant is holding a restricted open work permit. Then he/she is expected to fulfill his/her role under the same NOC code ONLY until he/she gets qualified as a PR. An applicant with the right set of mind will not opt to look for another employer, knowing that someone is already waiting for him/her.

2) If point 1 is correct, then how can I withdraw my job offer?

You can directly notify the applicant since you are under no obligation to fulfill the contract, should you think that you no longer need the service.

3) They are able to spend thousands of dollars in process only after getting job offer and I am the one who is able to give job offer because I can prove in tax returns that we as a couple are financialy capable.

For your concern "process for all applicants is already stringent" you see it as backdoor to immigration while employer ( e.g. me) see it as exploitation for genuine employers.

Again, if that is your point of view, I respect that. However, you cannot generalize ALL applicants, that we are all scammers for having the same intent. These applicants would want to have permanent resident status and be a citizen. If you have read the details outlined on the government website, there are a series of requirements to obtain that status, and It's not just based on a job offer alone. We are not the ones who roll out the rules and qualifications.

If you think that applicants would take advantage of the employer for this reason alone, I would have to disagree. Yes, we may have spent thousands of dollars on the application, but we are not millionaires. If we were, we would've opted for a student visa or express entry instead of this ridiculous pathway,

 

[I.H]

1)It means my employee whom I gave job offer can travel and go anywhere without my knowledge after landing?
2) If point 1 is correct, then how can I withdraw my job offer?

3) They are able to spend thousands of dollars in process only after getting job offer and I am the one who is able to give job offer because I can prove in tax returns that we as a couple are financialy capable.

For your concern "process for all applicants is already stringent" you see it as backdoor to immigration while employer ( e.g. me) see it as exploitation for genuine employers and employees

They can not change their employer as soon as they land if they wany to get PR under this program they should at least work 3 months for the employer who sent them job offer and I don't know if employer fired them, it affects their application or not

 

[canada11]

They can not change their employer as soon as they land if they wany to get PR under this program they should at least work 3 months for the employer who sent them job offer and I don't know if employer fired them, it affects their application or not

This make sense to cater the interest of both parties. Can you please share the reference link for this info please.

 

[I.H]

This make sense to cater the interest of both parties. Can you please share the reference link for this info please.

I had read it when I war applying in 2020 in the guide of HCCP. I don't have the link right now

 

[It'sme2021]

Everything happens in God's time.

Happy to update that we are flying to Canada in Nov. 2023.

Aug. 2020 HCCP Outside Applicant, and 2 family members.
Time Line
July 2020 - Application submitted
Mar 2023 - Biometrics Done
Nov. 2022 - Medical completed
Apr. 2023 - ADR - Docs submitted
August 2023 - still waiting for next moves (frustrating)
New Update
Sept. 2023 - Eligibility Letter & approval of WP
Sept. 2023 - Passport Request for all 3 of us
Sept. 2023 - Visas stamped and passports uplifted
Sept. 2023 - LOIs received by email.
Good luck those who continue to wait. Trust God.

 

[Sifi]

Will do next week?

When you get any response from ircc after medical please let me know. Thanks

 

[davinderkumar01]

Everything happens in God's time.

Happy to update that we are flying to Canada in Nov. 2023.

Aug. 2020 HCCP Outside Applicant, and 2 family members.
Time Line
July 2020 - Application submitted
Mar 2023 - Biometrics Done
Nov. 2022 - Medical completed
Apr. 2023 - ADR - Docs submitted
August 2023 - still waiting for next moves (frustrating)
New Update
Sept. 2023 - Eligibility Letter & approval of WP
Sept. 2023 - Passport Request for all 3 of us
Sept. 2023 - Visas stamped and passports uplifted
Sept. 2023 - LOIs received by email.
Good luck those who continue to wait. Trust God.

 

[davinderkumar01]

wow Congratulations! We are Sep 2020 Applicants
Last update ADR June
Waiting for next step

 

[canada11]

I had read it when I war applying in 2020 in the guide of HCCP. I don't have the link right now

An occupation-restricted open work permit lets you work for any employer, but only in the occupation listed on the work permit.
You can change employers without getting a new work permit, as long as your new job is in the same occupation and you continue to meet any other conditions on your work permit.

 

[Jayluv]

Hi,
I am an applicant under HCCP and will complete 12 months work experience on December 2023. Can I get my notice of assessment immediately to proof i have 1yr work experience?

 

[Sophia16]

1)It means my employee whom I gave job offer can travel and go anywhere without my knowledge after landing?
2) If point 1 is correct, then how can I withdraw my job offer?

3) They are able to spend thousands of dollars in process only after getting job offer and I am the one who is able to give job offer because I can prove in tax returns that we as a couple are financialy capable.

For your concern "process for all applicants is already stringent" you see it as backdoor to immigration while employer ( e.g. me) see it as exploitation for genuine employers and employees

I see you are worried about your employee already.

I don't think you need to worry yourself too much.

Why did you give the employee offer letter if you don't trust the person?

Probably you can seek a legal advice on how to make the employee bound to you for at least 3 months and you also will have to stick to the terms and conditions that will be set, because the employee also has a right.

Probably this well help to ease the fear you have of the employee running away