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HI rupeshhari can u clear this query

ali786leo

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Hi rupeshhari I have a query in job category 0111 Financial Managers when we type noc code in quick search on www.hrsdc.gc.ca they will show you this job example title in Financial Managers category

Example Titles
controller
director – financial services
director of accounting
finance director
financial administrator
manager, financial control
manager, financial planning and analysis
manager, internal audit services
treasurer

if a person doing a job of financial administrator will he able to apply of FSW category is there differnce bewteen financial administrator and finacial manager .
 

babutv2000

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Jan 29, 2009
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If you are working as financial administrator & job description includes those mentioned in noc guide, you can apply.
 

ali786leo

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Thx rupeshhari for your reply but computer and information system manger is in 38 list but if a person is doing a job of database adminstator which is noc code 2172 is he eliagble to apply under FSW CATEGORY 1 or not .
 

CanSun

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Mar 2, 2009
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For Rupeshhari

Rupeshhari - it seems you are giving out a lot of misinformation specially since you still havent got your PR as yet. I think it is better that first you get your own PR and then pass out this kind of information. I recently migrated to Canada from USA and below are just a few of the flaws in your analysis :::

1) First of all, it is not easier to migrate to Canada than the US. It is only faster to migrate to Canada if you have applied from USA because the immigration backlog in Canada is based on place of application whereas the immigration backlog in USA is based on place of birth. So it takes longer if you are born in China, India, Phillipines and Mexico because there is a backlog to clear. I know this because my cousin works for a US immigration law firm in Detroit.

2) Secondly, it is very important to go by the job title in NOC when applying for immigration. CIC sometimes offers some leeway but in general it is prudent to stick to the title as close as possible. You cannot work as a cashier and claim that you are a finance manager since they are both related to finance functions.

So my advise to you would be to get your own immigration for good first from CIC and then tell others.
 

rupeshhari

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Sep 15, 2008
3,686
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Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
CanSun said:
Rupeshhari - it seems you are giving out a lot of misinformation specially since you still havent got your PR as yet. I think it is better that first you get your own PR and then pass out this kind of information. I recently migrated to Canada from USA and below are just a few of the flaws in your analysis :::

1) First of all, it is not easier to migrate to Canada than the US. It is only faster to migrate to Canada if you have applied from USA because the immigration backlog in Canada is based on place of application whereas the immigration backlog in USA is based on place of birth. So it takes longer if you are born in China, India, Phillipines and Mexico because there is a backlog to clear. I know this because my cousin works for a US immigration law firm in Detroit.

2) Secondly, it is very important to go by the job title in NOC when applying for immigration. CIC sometimes offers some leeway but in general it is prudent to stick to the title as close as possible. You cannot work as a cashier and claim that you are a finance manager since they are both related to finance functions.

So my advise to you would be to get your own immigration for good first from CIC and then tell others.
My misinformation is based on the fact that I said Canada is easier than US lol.
CIC is clear in saying that job duties is what counts, not job title. Of course, if your job title and duties fit a NOC code, then you should go for that if your job title fits one and the job title fits another, you should go with job duties.

But OK, i will delete my profile if everyone else agrees.
 

BobbyB

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Well, Cansun I beg to differ!!. I think Rupeshhari is doing a great job and for all he has always said/written that he has only experience in his own case. I think people should also do there home work and read the material on the CIC website for themselves. Nobody on this forum is an Immigration Expert by profession. We all put 2 and 2 together to make 4. Note that even me myself has not had his case through. If you have better advice and know how, then you should take part in the forum by replying to posts where u feel otherwise.
 

sushid0c

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Re: For Rupeshhari

CanSun said:
Rupeshhari - it seems you are giving out a lot of misinformation specially since you still havent got your PR as yet. I think it is better that first you get your own PR and then pass out this kind of information. I recently migrated to Canada from USA and below are just a few of the flaws in your analysis :::

1) First of all, it is not easier to migrate to Canada than the US. It is only faster to migrate to Canada if you have applied from USA because the immigration backlog in Canada is based on place of application whereas the immigration backlog in USA is based on place of birth. So it takes longer if you are born in China, India, Phillipines and Mexico because there is a backlog to clear. I know this because my cousin works for a US immigration law firm in Detroit.

2) Secondly, it is very important to go by the job title in NOC when applying for immigration. CIC sometimes offers some leeway but in general it is prudent to stick to the title as close as possible. You cannot work as a cashier and claim that you are a finance manager since they are both related to finance functions.

So my advise to you would be to get your own immigration for good first from CIC and then tell others.

come on. please dont make such harsh comments about rupesh. He is only trying to help. As I have said earlier also in this forum, in another topic that rupesh is not a visa consultant or an immigration lawyer. For that matter neither of us. It is just that he shares his experiences plus what he must have gained from friends and relatives. people who read this forum should put 2 and 2 together and summarize what they want to do. The experiences shared over here merely serve as directions in which to work upon. And if anyone who has been regular with this forum would know that rupesh has made an enormous amount of contribution. CANSUN you may also give your opinion and share your experiences.....It may be that rupesh may be wrong but then in that case we would also like to know what is right.....
The statements above are just my heartfelt feelings. No ill feelings towards any member of the forum.
 

BobbyB

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No doubts sushid0c .
I only don't know about what happened in the CRICKET TEST MARCH (SA) , maybe Rupeshhari can tell me. (LOL)
 

k1940b

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I agree with sushid0c. Rupesh is doing a great job. All he writes is to share his experience and knowledge. He clearly states that he is not imm. lawyer or consultant. Whether he gets PR or not has nothing to do with this Forum. If any one gets PR, it does not mean, he can answer all questions.Such comments should be avoided in a civilised Forum. It is great to give ones opinion and it is only an opinion. E veryone MUST do own homework particularly who are claimants to "elite 38 list NOC".
 

CanSun

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Mar 2, 2009
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Like you guys said, one must not be afraid to share his opinion specially after being kind of mislead by comments disputed by the CIC. When my interview happened in Buffalo, a few months back, I was asked in depth by the visa officer regarding my job experience and title. From what the CIC officer told me is that it is very important to be as close to the official NOC titles when claiming work experience points and NOT only what one actually does as continously mentioned by Rupesh. The CIC officer also asked to see backup for my work experience - Official Reference Letters, Paystubs, W2 and Tax Returns. Its very embarrasing when some of what you claim as a work experience title may not match up with your backup. Anyways, it worked out well later and I got my PR after giving a whole lot of work experience documents justifying my NOC job title.

For New 2 Canada and BobbyD - I think it is also very important to check the official CIC website for ACTUAL INFORMATION and if need get a paid IMMIGRATION LAWYER who will at least guide you in the right direction instead of !!!!! - LOL

FOR K1940b - I think its better if you take your own advise into better consideration and EDUCATE YOUR OWN SELF first - make sure you know your OWN JOB TITLE IN THE ELITE 38 LIST and then make unjustified statements.
 

New2Canada

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Mar 6, 2009
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With no offense to Cansun, he applied under the old rules. Under the old rules there were no ministerial list, and nearly all jobs were represented in the NOC matrix so one should try to fit the title perhaps. His lack of experience with the new rules is glaring.

It has been stated by many in this forum (not just Rupes) that actual duties is what matters. I have seen examples of people where titles didn't match to the ministerial list but their duties did and they got through the Sydney round. I have also seen examples of people in this forum where titles did match but their duties didn't and get rejected at the Sydney stage. This implies that duties are more important than title.

Obviously, you don't know what you are speaking about not only when it comes to Sydney (due to your lack of experience) but also because you don't seem to know anything about NOC codes. Please read OP6, page 16 and 17

The applicant must have:
• performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation (or occupations) as
set out in the occupational description of the NOC (R75(2)(b));
performed substantial number of the main duties, including all of the essential duties, of the
occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC (R75(2)(c)).


Also read the refusal letter on page page 40. It says people will be rejected on main duties. It mentions NOTHING about title.

You have indicated that you have work experience in (an) occupation(s) with the following NOC
(National Occupational Classification) code(s): LIST NOC CODES AND OCCUPATION TITLES.
Although the NOC code(s) correspond(s) to the occupations specified in the Instructions, the main
duties that you listed do not indicate EITHER that you performed the actions described in the lead
statement for the occupation, as set out in the occupational descriptions of the NOC OR that you
performed all of the essential duties and a substantial number of the main duties, as set out in the
occupational descriptions of the NOC. As such, I am not satisfied that you are a OCCUPATION
TITLE and NOC CODE.


If you want to argue with anyone, then argue with CIC and what they wrote in OP6. You have experience in the visa office stage, but have absolutely no experience in the Sydney stage, so stop misleading us.

It could be that if your job title doesn't match, you would be asked for an interview so they can make sure you are not being untruthful in your application. But for those people whose duties don't match but titles do, you probably won't even get through the Sydney stage to find out about the interview. For those people whose duties match but titles don't, at least you will get through the Sydney stage and get grilled at an interview and have a chance of going to Canada. If both your titles and duties match, then there is no argument here.

Cansun - no one has any problem with you sharing your experience or disagreeing with anyone. But starting a whole topic to slant someone is what we have a problem with. It shows a hidden agenda. The fact that you created a new profile just to slant Rupes means that you have a dislike for him and wanted to put him down. This is mean and counterproductive. I am sure Rupees will agree that you should share your experience and we all do. Just do it in a respectful manner.

I have just shown using OP6 that what you say contradicts CIC and OP6. What Rupes says is in line with OP6. So who should we believe? This is a rhetorical question. you are the weakest link.
 

rupeshhari

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Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
hey all, this is not worth arguing about. Lets just give our opinion on the forum and most of us are no experts. The people who ask the questions can always think about the answer and go with what they think is correct. I have been corrected before and I am only relaying what happened to me....that is my job title is not in the ministerial list but my duties were. I applied and got through the first round at NS. As I mentioned in my posts before, who knows I can still be rejected in the second round. I am hoping the chances of rejection are little because the duties that justified my application in terms of job duties is not very different from the letter provided by my boss.

To add to my experience, when I first thought about applying, some very experienced people in the forum said I had no chance. In fact I was told, i can spin it anyway i want, a teaching assistant is a teaching assistant and i will never get through. Leon, however, was very encouraging and said it might work (thank you Leon if you read this). Guess what, I got through the first round.

Anyway, this is not worth arguing about. Thats my opinion.
 

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rupeshhari said:
To add to my experience, when I first thought about applying, some very experienced people in the forum said I had no chance. In fact I was told, i can spin it anyway i want, a teaching assistant is a teaching assistant and i will never get through. Leon, however, was very encouraging and said it might work (thank you Leon if you read this). Guess what, I got through the first round.
Congrats :)

Yeah, nobody here is an expert. We are all going by what we've heard and learned from each other. Nobody knows everything and nobody knows exactly what will work with CIC. If you have even a slim chance and you want to try it, you should go ahead because if you don't, you will never know. There's always a chance to get lucky, you get the visa officer in a good mood, whatever.

As somebody said, if life hands you lemons, you can make lemonade. If you want to apply to CIC, give them the best lemonade you can make.
 

rupeshhari

VIP Member
Sep 15, 2008
3,686
255
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
BobbyB said:
No doubts sushid0c .
I only don't know about what happened in the CRICKET TEST MARCH (SA) , maybe Rupeshhari can tell me. (LOL)
SA are loosing like crazy ha ha. i think we lost the test series today :(, i shall go into mourning now.
 

iksgon50

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Query: is it advisable to copy verbatim the NOC Main Duties as applied to applicant's work experience...example: Registered Nurse, copy verbatim the NOC Main Duties for Registered Nurse and place them in the application.....thanx