CanSun said:
New 2 Canada - what is more glaring than my lack of experience is your lack of judgement and rationalization. And what is really very mean and counterproductive is people like you not being open to constructive criticism just because you are buddy buddy with some other people here on this site.
This is an open Immigration Forum where good things should be shared along with bad things and experiences. If you think otherwise, you should open up a FAN CLUB and cheerelead that. My experience on the above 2 questions has been negative and and I have the right to make that public whether you like it or not. What you believe in is your entitlement and you are welcome to do that. Whether you believe me or someone else - I couldnt care less !!!
I showed you my judgment using CIC's own OP6 information. your judgment is based on what you are saying. I think people can decide which judgment is better. Like you have the right to disagree, so do I. So you like to give criticism but can't take it. Like I said, it is okay that you give constructive feedback but you started a whole topic to slander the guy.
"I couldnt care less" - obviously you do, else you wouldn't have replied.
CanSun said:
By the way - in case you didnt know - one of the main reason that you see this new policy from CIC to process only 38 occupations for FSW is because they wanted to cut down the wait times for Canada Immigration which was reaching upto 6-7 years in some cases. Result was Canada was loosing out highly skilled immigrants to other countries like UK, Australia, New Zealand and of course USA.
Let us use logic again and see if it works. Say person A works for a company and they call him an IT manager because it is a small company and he has one year of experience. No one is working under him as well. He has the right job title but hasn't done the main duties of 0213. Say person B is called a IT analyst and has 10 years of work experience but has 5 people working under him. Which person do you think will get in with CIC. Someone who has the right title but no right work experience or the other one. What do you think Canadian employers are looking for according to the ministerial list.
Let us think logically again. As you said, Canada is loosing out on highly skilled immigrants. High skilled comes with performing the right duties not having the right job titles alone. Usually, they go hand in hand but we are only talking about the situation where they don't. If the job title and main duties go hand in hand, then there is no argument here. But if they don't, do you think Canada would rather have someone with the right job titles but has no idea about the duties or someone who doesn't have the job titles but has the rich experience they are looking for.
CanSun said:
Dont you think that IF NOC job title is not that important and the only thing that is important is your actual job responsibilities, then it defeats the purpose of CIC to fast track applications on the 38 high demand list because everyone will claim that in their application even if it remotely matches it or not. Thats a no brainer and immigration 101.
Oh immigration 101. No it doesn't defeat the purpose. Anyone can claim whatever they want. They have to back it up using a letter from the employer. Don't you think if title was important alone, they can claim that too. This is not a discussion about fraud and false claim. If it was, then fraud and claim can happen with both title or with main duties. Fast tracking on 38 high demand list is to ensure that Canada gets the right people with the right experience (according to them). No use in getting people with great titles but no experience.
CanSun said:
Bottomline - I stand by my criticisms of those 2 points because I have suffered first hand and like everyone else in this forum I have the right to express myself - whether you like it or not. Also, before showing your blind support, try and get it doublechecked by a certified immigration lawyer (I stress on the certified part) and then we will compare notes and see who is right.
For your information, I did get it double checked by a certified immigration lawyer and a consultant. Both agreed with my point. My family is in the exact situation. I have the right title but not the right experience. My wife has the right experience but not the right title. By experience, i mean performing the main duties. Both the lawyer and the consultant really did emphasise that we should apply under my wife's name and not mine.
I don't doubt you suffered by it. But as I pointed out, you got the chance to go to the interview and prove yourself. For those with the right title but no experience will not even have a chance to prove themselves because they will get rejected. Have you read this forum. There are people who are getting through Sydney stage by having the right duties (which they will have to back it up at the visa office stage) but not the right title. There are people who are failing the Sydney stage by having the right title but the wrong duties (a nurse, a college instructor and a IT manager comes to mind from this forum). Let the readers judge whether you are correct or not. If I read through Rup's message above, he is one of those who has the right duties but not the right title. Are you saying that CIC made a mistake with his application. Should we all ignore that and only go with right title but not those with the right experience.
CanSun said:
I couldnt care less" - obviously you do, else you wouldn't have replied.
Sure you don't. Otherwise, why would you reply here. I have given my arguments based on logic, based on what we saw on the experience of others in this forum and from OP6. You have given your argument based on your experience which is pre-Sydney stage experience. Let the people decide. If the readers want to decide that OP6 is wrong, let them at their own peril.
By the way, when Rupes was wrong as you claimed, go to the relevant post and say that according to your experience, he is wrong. You started a whole topic to slander the guy and you didn't want him to give any further advice on this forum. You claimed that all his advice is wrong. I think many people in this forum (including myself) will agree that he has been more right than wrong. He has been more useful than not. Even BCGuy was wrong yesterday when it came to holding two PR (which I know is wrong because my sister holds two PR - but neither is Canada). Would you say BCGuy is wrong. In fact, BCGuy is one of the most knowledgeable people in this forum. He works in immigration. There is nothing wrong with getting something wrong. In fact, Rup has always said that his answers are based on his experience and maybe he got lucky. I am not sure why you intend to contradict that. I see your original topic slandering Rup was summarily deleted by the forum administrators. hmmm. i wonder why. Let me state again something that is useful....Let the reader decide who is correct based on logical arguments and experience....not on slandering others.
