Here we go...Trudeau promising big changes for Family Class Sponsorship

[Ponga]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/09/25/trudeau-pledges-sweeping-immigration-changes.html

Give spouses immigrating to Canada immediate permanent residency, instead of the current two-year waiting period.

I wonder how he'd pull that one off!

 

[jamsham12]

Wow doubling the budget of the family class sponsorships which would cut into the ridiculous processing times.

 

[Edin2Van]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/09/25/trudeau-pledges-sweeping-immigration-changes.html

Give spouses immigrating to Canada immediate permanent residency, instead of the current two-year waiting period.

I wonder how he'd pull that one off!

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the two year conditional permanent residence (ie. Condition 51 on many peoples COPR). So it would be a simple case of abolishing that requirement.

He's not talking about the wait time between submitting an application and getting your permanent residency unfortunately.

 

[jamsham12]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the two year conditional permanent residence (ie. Condition 51 on many peoples COPR). So it would be a simple case of abolishing that requirement.

He's not talking about the wait time between submitting an application and getting your permanent residency unfortunately.

Well processing times would decrease if he does infact double the budget of the processing of these applications as the article stated. With the higher budget, you can afford to fix the labor shortages in these visa offices and the wait times will essentially decrease.

 

[Ponga]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the two year conditional permanent residence (ie. Condition 51 on many peoples COPR). So it would be a simple case of abolishing that requirement.

He's not talking about the wait time between submitting an application and getting your permanent residency unfortunately.

But those with Condition 51 are in fact permanent residents from the day that they land...albeit with the 2 year restriction.

CBC has the same info:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-immigration-reform-1.3243302

He also promised that the spouses of recent immigrants would receive permanent resident status immediately upon arriving in Canada, bypassing the two-year wait period currently in place. A Liberal government would also restore the maximum age for dependants from 19 to 22, making it easier for immigrants to bring their older children to Canada.


Do you know, with certainty, that he is talking about the Conditional PR?

 

[chilkootcee]

But those with Condition 51 are in fact permanent residents from the day that they land...albeit with the 2 year restriction.

CBC has the same info:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-immigration-reform-1.3243302

He also promised that the spouses of recent immigrants would receive permanent resident status immediately upon arriving in Canada, bypassing the two-year wait period currently in place. A Liberal government would also restore the maximum age for dependants from 19 to 22, making it easier for immigrants to bring their older children to Canada.


Do you know, with certainty, that he is talking about the Conditional PR?

My question...does the conditional PR affect how quickly one's spouse can apply for Citizenship? (irrespective of how often they change the number of years of PR requirement)

C.

 

[automaton82]

But those with Condition 51 are in fact permanent residents from the day that they land...albeit with the 2 year restriction.

CBC has the same info:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-immigration-reform-1.3243302

He also promised that the spouses of recent immigrants would receive permanent resident status immediately upon arriving in Canada, bypassing the two-year wait period currently in place. A Liberal government would also restore the maximum age for dependants from 19 to 22, making it easier for immigrants to bring their older children to Canada.


Do you know, with certainty, that he is talking about the Conditional PR?

Since inland applications have a 2 year wait period, he could be talking about either the actual wait to get PR, or the condition. I don't think the condition is a big deal (my spouse has it), and I actually think it does some good.

I think the biggest issue with condition 51 is people misunderstand it and think they can't travel alone at all.

 

[jamsham12]

Since inland applications have a 2 year wait period, he could be talking about either the actual wait to get PR, or the condition. I don't think the condition is a big deal (my spouse has it), and I actually think it does some good.

I think the biggest issue with condition 51 is people misunderstand it and think they can't travel alone at all.

I thought condition 51 was to protect against immigration fraud, the fact you had to stay with your spouse for 2 years or otherwise be subjected to have your P.R revoked. I support all the other immigration reforms he has outlined but I feel by revoking condition 51, there will be ever more sham marriages as now you can have this facade of being married, get P.R and then never have that P.R revoked if you say you split with your spouse after 6 months of landing in Canada.

 

[chilkootcee]

I thought condition 51 was to protect against immigration fraud, the fact you had to stay with your spouse for 2 years or otherwise be subjected to have your P.R revoked. I support all the other immigration reforms he has outlined but I feel by revoking condition 51, there will be ever more sham marriages as now you can have this facade of being married, get P.R and then never have that P.R revoked if you say you split with your spouse after 6 months of landing in Canada.

I agree...I have no issue with the condition...as long as it doesn't impact other timelines (like applying for Citizenship). If those years don't count toward the number of years you need to be a PR before you can apply for Citizenship, then I would be concerned. Hence my question.

C.

 

[DuberBlue]

I thought condition 51 was to protect against immigration fraud, the fact you had to stay with your spouse for 2 years or otherwise be subjected to have your P.R revoked. I support all the other immigration reforms he has outlined but I feel by revoking condition 51, there will be ever more sham marriages as now you can have this facade of being married, get P.R and then never have that P.R revoked if you say you split with your spouse after 6 months of landing in Canada.

It's also a bit of a misconception to say that there is a two-year wait period with Condition 51. People are PR's the day they land....they simply have Condition 51 for two years. Why the heck would he get rid of that?? It's currently the only enforceable safeguard they have against sham marriages.

The article is vague on details...I wonder if it could be referring to something completely different.

Not that I was gonna vote for the guy anyway but if he's actually getting rid of Condition 51 it kinda reaffirms my views on him.

 

[Edin2Van]

But those with Condition 51 are in fact permanent residents from the day that they land...albeit with the 2 year restriction.

CBC has the same info:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-immigration-reform-1.3243302

He also promised that the spouses of recent immigrants would receive permanent resident status immediately upon arriving in Canada, bypassing the two-year wait period currently in place. A Liberal government would also restore the maximum age for dependants from 19 to 22, making it easier for immigrants to bring their older children to Canada.


Do you know, with certainty, that he is talking about the Conditional PR?

Condition 51 is the only clearly defined two wait period in the process so it's the only thing he can be talking about.

I agree it's a technicality and that really folk already are permanent residents from when they land, but he's certainly not talking about reducing wait times to zero for the application process.

 

[jamsham12]

Condition 51 is the only clearly defined two wait period in the process so it's the only thing he can be talking about.

I agree it's a technicality and that really folk already are permanent residents from when they land, but he's certainly not talking about reducing wait times to zero for the application process.

Right, removing condition 51 makes absolutely no sense. How about staffing the visa offices with competent ass people and the adequate amount of staff so wait times decrease drastically.

 

[Ponga]

Condition 51 is the only clearly defined two wait period in the process so it's the only thing he can be talking about.

I agree it's a technicality and that really folk already are permanent residents from when they land, but he's certainly not talking about reducing wait times to zero for the application process.

But he should, because that would be something to boast about!

Imagine if he did grant PR status to a spouse or partner of a Canadian citizen or PR immediately...along with a Condition 51 restriction. This would allow CIC two years to verify the applicant and his/her relationship with their sponsor, while the foreign national enjoys the benefits (and contributes to Canada) the entire time. If CIC determines that the applicant does not truly qualify to be a PR, they are removed from Canada. What's wrong with that plan?

He could also educate people about what Condition 51 really means, and also what it does NOT mean.


Removing Condition 51 makes no sense whatsoever, IMHO.

 

[chakrab]

this is trudeau we are talking about. he is known to make promises that has minimal effect in reality. most of his comments sound good and panders to the audience, but hardly has any benefits or sustainable solution in reality.

 

[jamsham12]

this is trudeau we are talking about. he is known to make promises that has minimal effect in reality. most of his comments sound good and panders to the audience, but hardly has any benefits or sustainable solution in reality.

I think you mean the majority of politicians.