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Having difficulties with Outland Application...sponsoring American spouse

thn394

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May 6, 2014
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My wife (Canadian citizen) and I (US citizen) are having some struggles with our PR application. Hoping to get some insight and help here. We were hoping our application would be pretty straight forward but as we go through the paperwork it seems our situation is not so easy.

I'll give a little background first without trying to write a novel. We met in Canada (Newfoundland) while I was traveling through as a member of the US Air Force Reserves in October 2013 and instantly had a strong connection (she was my one!!) We dated long distance with both of us visiting each other in Canada and the US several times. In October 2014 I asked her to marry me and she said yes. She has two small children from a previous marriage and a good job working as a director in public works for the city she lives in. I have no children and I'm still a member of the reserves. Also we both have our own houses.

As our relationship really became serious last year and we started talking of marriage it was decided that i would come to Newfoundland as it would be easier on the kids as their dad is still very active in their lives. At the time I did not have a civilian job and was working with the Air Force Reserves on 3/4 time basis. With the thought of me moving I decided to get a civilian job also to earn and save as much money as possible. On of our concerns was me being able to spend time in Newfoundland with the kids prior to getting married so they become more comfortable with me. So our plan was for me to come visit for a couple months and then get married. So in January I rented my house in the states, resigned from my civilian job and came up for a visit. I got here on the 14 of January and we had our wedding in February. I'm heading back to the states in April to work with the Air Force Reserves while our application is in progress. We would like for me to come back the end of June and stay for the summer while waiting for PR.

So here are the questions/issues we're having:

1. Since I rented my house to be able to afford longer visits I will be staying with my parents when I go back to the US to work. On the Generic Application form IMM 0008 what would be best to use for my addresses? Right now I've used our Canadian address for my mailing and my parents for my residential. Is this ok or could we use the Canadian for both or are there issues using my parents since I'm just staying there temporarily?

2. Schedule A IMM 5669E question #4, I have had no contact with my biological father since age 5 (I'm now 43). As a result I do not have any information on him other than what's listed on my birth certificate. I do know he is deceased. Do I list my biological father or the father I grew up with for this question?

3. Question 8, Personal history: I had a civilian job with the same company for 13.5 years but resigned in 2012 to join the Air Force Reserves and do a job I always wanted to do. The reserves was only a part time commitment but with training and all I was able to do it 3/4 of the time and live off that. Like I mentioned earlier in May of 2014 I got a civilian job again to make extra money for the potential move. So how do I list this on personal history? I started in the reserves in 2012 and I'm still in it and also worked a civilian job from May 2014 until Jan 2015. Right now I have it listed as this:
current visit 2015/01-2015/04
civilian job 2014/05-2015/01
Reserves 2012/09-2014/05
civilian job 1999/12-2012/09

I'm concerned because I'm still in the reserves and will list that on the military section Question #11 and this almost reads like I stopped doing it in 2014. Also the form asks for history from age 18 or the last 10 years whichever is most recent however I have read some people's apps getting returned for not providing history from 18. Just because of my timeline I go back to 1999 when I was 27. This is considerably more than 10 years so I should be go but thoughts???

4. Is being in the reserves going to cause an issue with CIC? I don't think it should but didn't know if anyone has previous experience with this.

5. On the spouse/partner questionnaire it asks about living together, question 27-28. This visit will be 2 and a half months and yes we have stayed together in her house. Does that count as living together? Also what should I put for #28, are we currently living together? We consider this my home now but I'm still just a visitor in Canada and will be going back and forth.

6. When I come back in June or July she wants me to stay until my PR comes through. It sounds like the process has slowed dramatically so we don't know how long that will be. Will I be able to stay 6 months or more at that time or not since I've been here 2.5 months this year already. If I do stay I would have to separate from the reserves and would have no job at all or any source of income if I did go back to the states. It's becoming hard of the kids for me to keep leaving so we obviously what to limit that as much as possible.

Sorry for making this so long but trying to get everything right before we send this in so we have no delays. Thanks for the help.
 

truesmile

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Jun 7, 2012
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For sure someone here will write you an essay. Here are the short answers:

1) You might consider assigning your wife as an "authorized representative", and once you do they only asked for her address anyway. Either way all of your proposed options would be fine.

2) Yes, list your biological father.

3) Just correct all the dates, even if there is overlap that is fine. (Your concerned jumped out at me also.)

4) No, I don't think so either.

5) Don't use the word "living", you are only "visiting". Ensure you do the same at any entry into Canada also.

6) You should have no difficulty in being allowed to stay 6 months. Others will provide their personal experiences on this.
 

SchnookoLoly

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thn394 said:
So here are the questions/issues we're having:

1. Since I rented my house to be able to afford longer visits I will be staying with my parents when I go back to the US to work. On the Generic Application form IMM 0008 what would be best to use for my addresses? Right now I've used our Canadian address for my mailing and my parents for my residential. Is this ok or could we use the Canadian for both or are there issues using my parents since I'm just staying there temporarily?
If you think about it logically, you can't have a Canadian residential address, because you aren't a Canadian resident. But it is completely fine to use your Canadian address as your mailing address. So do that, and for your US address, use whichever address you'd call your residential address at the time. If it's your parents' place, then that's totally fine.

2. Schedule A IMM 5669E question #4, I have had no contact with my biological father since age 5 (I'm now 43). As a result I do not have any information on him other than what's listed on my birth certificate. I do know he is deceased. Do I list my biological father or the father I grew up with for this question?
Use your biological father. I think the form has a space as well for a date of death. If you don't know it, then just write on a separate piece of paper what you have written here: you have not had contact with him since you were 5, and that you know he is deceased but you aren't sure when.

If the father you grew up with legally adopted you, then I would include his information on a separate sheet as well. If there was no legal "father" status then you can leave him off.

3. Question 8, Personal history: I had a civilian job with the same company for 13.5 years but resigned in 2012 to join the Air Force Reserves and do a job I always wanted to do. The reserves was only a part time commitment but with training and all I was able to do it 3/4 of the time and live off that. Like I mentioned earlier in May of 2014 I got a civilian job again to make extra money for the potential move. So how do I list this on personal history? I started in the reserves in 2012 and I'm still in it and also worked a civilian job from May 2014 until Jan 2015. Right now I have it listed as this:
current visit 2015/01-2015/04
civilian job 2014/05-2015/01
Reserves 2012/09-2014/05
civilian job 1999/12-2012/09

I'm concerned because I'm still in the reserves and will list that on the military section Question #11 and this almost reads like I stopped doing it in 2014.
I'm having a bit of trouble following this, but I'll take a stab. If you were effectively employed by both places, then the dates can overlap. It sounds a bit like you may just have to explain the dates on a separate piece of paper. CIC is usually pretty reasonable about you providing descriptions for things that don't necessarily make sense in black and white. As long as all time periods are accounted for, you should be fine.

Also the form asks for history from age 18 or the last 10 years whichever is most recent however I have read some people's apps getting returned for not providing history from 18. Just because of my timeline I go back to 1999 when I was 27. This is considerably more than 10 years so I should be go but thoughts???
My advice for this one, which may differ from what others say, is that to make 100% sure you have the last 10 years completely accurate, and then just make a best effort back to age 18. If you're able to do it, then do it - the extra bit of effort now saves CIC having to make an additional request from you... and additional requests mean more delays as they have to make the request, you have to receive it, you have to prepare it, you have to send it, they have to receive it, they have to match it up with your application, then they have to pick up processing where they left off. Best not to invite questions or requests if you can avoid it! :)

4. Is being in the reserves going to cause an issue with CIC? I don't think it should but didn't know if anyone has previous experience with this.
I don't think so, but I am not knowledgeable enough on the subject to say for sure.

5. On the spouse/partner questionnaire it asks about living together, question 27-28. This visit will be 2 and a half months and yes we have stayed together in her house. Does that count as living together? Also what should I put for #28, are we currently living together? We consider this my home now but I'm still just a visitor in Canada and will be going back and forth.
Officially, no, you aren't living there - you can't, since you aren't a Canadian resident. However, if this were me, I would write an explanation on a separate sheet of paper saying that you feel like it is your home, you no longer have your own place in the US, and you just camp out with your parents until you can make a proper, legal move to Canada to be with your new family.

And as truesmile said, if you are questioned about this at the border, you can say that you are living with your parents and maintain your residential address in the US, and you stay with your wife while you are in Canada, you are aware you are in Canada as a visitor and are aware of the restrictions on visitors to Canada and so on. Which leads nicely to your next question...

6. When I come back in June or July she wants me to stay until my PR comes through. It sounds like the process has slowed dramatically so we don't know how long that will be. Will I be able to stay 6 months or more at that time or not since I've been here 2.5 months this year already. If I do stay I would have to separate from the reserves and would have no job at all or any source of income if I did go back to the states. It's becoming hard of the kids for me to keep leaving so we obviously what to limit that as much as possible.

Sorry for making this so long but trying to get everything right before we send this in so we have no delays. Thanks for the help.
Have a read of this: http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Spousal_Sponsorship-Canada#Can_I_wait_in_Canada_while_my_application_is_being_processed:_Dual_Intent That explains what you have to do when you get to the border once your application for sponsorship has been lodged.

The section on Extending Your Stay in the same link answers your other question about what to do after the initial 6 months. :) That should sort you out!

(The article is more geared towards Brit/Canadian couples, but for your question, the same answer is applicable.)

Hope that helps!

PS: Cheers for doing some of your own research first, and then posting specific, thought-out and clear questions! Such a breath of fresh air! :)