Having a 2 years working visa and Claiming asylum/refugee? possible? Plz Help!

[Fariha_farid]

There is an agent from a company in here (Pakistan) which charges people about 25000 - 30000$ to give them a 2 years working visa and will send them through Singapore to Canada. And says that you need to work for this company for at least 6 months and then you can change your job or even you can ask for asylum! Is that right?

1. Can someone who has a 2 years working visa, with a work offer from a company in Canada as for asylum/ refugee statutes?

2. How if they claimed for asylum / refugee statues as soon as they reached the Canadian Airport?

2. Some people say that if you work in Canada for 2 years (as a foreign temporary worker) and pay taxes, after these 2 years you would have your PR card, is it right?

Thanks in advance from anyone who shares his/her ideas and info.

 

[Infosec]

Hi There, I don;think there is asylum for the citizens from part that of the world. On your PR card , you will be eligible to apply for PR once you complete one year of Canadian exp under specific job category. The agent is fooling people, its not the agent who is going to give the visa, but the CIC. I am glad that you brought this point in this forum

 

[scylla]

2. Some people say that if you work in Canada for 2 years (as a foreign temporary worker) and pay taxes, after these 2 years you would have your PR card, is it right?

No - it's not true.

Whether you qualify for PR depends on a number of things - including the job you have in Canada (skilled or unskilled).

 

[Fariha_farid]

No - it's not true.

Whether you qualify for PR depends on a number of things - including the job you have in Canada (skilled or unskilled).

No it won't be a skilled job, just a very normal job like (packing at a factory) i mean it is a job that every one can do it! it just needs man power.... so what is the situation for him/her if he/she wants to become a PR? how long should he work? and what are the criteria?
I was also double minded about this!

 

[thisisauser]

No it won't be a skilled job, just a very normal job like (packing at a factory) i mean it is a job that every one can do it! it just needs man power.... so what is the situation for him/her if he/she wants to become a PR? how long should he work? and what are the criteria?
I was also double minded about this!

$30,000 to get you a low-skilled job here in hopes for asylum? That sounds like a certain scam to me.

To be considered for immigration under Canadian Experience Class, you need to meet this (among many other requirements):

According to the Canadian National Occupational Classification (NOC), skilled work experience means:

- Managerial jobs (NOC skill type 0)
- Professional jobs (NOC skill type A)
- Technical jobs and skilled trades (NOC skill type B)

You must have at least 12 months of full-time, or an equal amount in part-time, skilled work experience. Full-time work means at least 30 hours of paid work per week.

Start reading here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/apply-who.asp

 

[Fariha_farid]

Hi There, I don;think there is asylum for the citizens from part that of the world. On your PR card , you will be eligible to apply for PR once you complete one year of Canadian exp under specific job category. The agent is fooling people, its not the agent who is going to give the visa, but the CIC. I am glad that you brought this point in this forum

1. Yes, I know but how if someone is from a country which produces refugees?
2. Yes I also thing that the agent is fooling the people! They say we will provide you 2-years working visas and you don't need to be skilled or experienced and once in Canada, your salary would be more than 4000$? Do you think it's right?
Can someone who have no experience/skills and is a very normal worker (like packing job at a factory) have a salary like that?
3. What will happen once their visa is expired? Should they leave Canada?

 

[Fariha_farid]

$30,000 to get you a low-skilled job here in hopes for asylum? That sounds like a certain scam to me.

To be considered for immigration under Canadian Experience Class, you need to meet this (among many other requirements):

Thanks a lot for the info.
1. So you mean he should be doing a professional job in there to be processed for the PR, Right?
2. How if he is an ordinary foreign worker (for example a packing job at a factory) how he can become a PR? Is he/she ultimately eligible or not? Is there any way for him to become a PR?
3. How if the mentioned person with his 2 years working visas in his hand, claimed asylum? (in case if he was eligible and was from a refugee producing country? how about that?
Thanks a world in advance!

 

[CEC2013]

Without going into a debate about earning potentials...4,000 is a very decent pay grade in CA. I don't think its right and this very much sounds like a scam.

Once again, to reiterate what was said before...they cannot provide you with a visa. CIC is the authorized, federal agency in charge of issuing permits. Illegal presence in CA, if caught, would mean deportation and a most certainly a ban, of at least 2 years. Not to mention the fact that it would remain in the database....meaning, you would be flagged every time you apply, in CA and with its allies.

I dont quite understand the asylum questions! Are you being persecuted?

 

[jsm0085]

CIC is severely cracking down on these types of scams... I think it's advisable, to say the least, that you look for a more honest approach to immigration...

If you are in need to claim refugee/asylum status - do it from day one. But considering we are talking about someone who is in a position to hand over 30k, I very much doubt it. If you just want a better life, find a legitimate way of doing it. People who scam the system screw it up for everyone - and as I've mentioned, CIC & Canada, have had enough!

 

[Fariha_farid]

I dont quite understand the asylum questions! Are you being persecuted?

Thanks a lot for the information, actually the person who needs to go to Canada is not me! He is my friend and right now is living secretly in his country, he never goes out of his house and we just exchange emails and i really want to help him in a proper and legal way!
I can not give you more details regarding him!
I really appreciate all you for your kind information!
Best Regards,

 

[jsm0085]

Thanks a lot for the information, actually the person who needs to go to Canada is not me! He is my friend and right now is living secretly in his country, he never goes out of his house and we just exchange emails and i really want to help him in a proper and legal way!
I can not give you more details regarding him!
I really appreciate all you for your kind information!
Best Regards,

If it's that bad have him come to Canada, or somewhere else, and claim the status from day 1. If he genuinely needs the help, it will be granted.

 

[Fariha_farid]

If it's that bad have him come to Canada, or somewhere else, and claim the status from day 1. If he genuinely needs the help, it will be granted.

It IS that Bad and he genuinely needs help! You know what the problem is? Having a visa is difficult but not impossible! And going illegally has its own problems! I wonder how to advise him. There is a possibility for him to go to a second/neighboring country and by paying a huge amount of money obtaining a Visit or working visa (as i have talked in above!)...
One important question:
1. IF he arrived to Canadian airport and did not have any travel documents (I mean if he had to chose the illegal way to save his life,) what will happen?
2. If the documents were checked at the airplane before they get off the Plane and he did not have any Travel documents but was able to prove his admissibility for asylum and had reasonable and logical reasons for not having travel documents, but had enough documents to prove his Identity and his being prosecuted, would he be deported back with the same flight? What will happen?
Would he have a chance to talk and state his problems and dangers toward his life or NOT?

 

[jsm0085]

It IS that Bad and he genuinely needs help! You know what the problem is? Having a visa is difficult but not impossible! And going illegally has its own problems! I wonder how to advise him. There is a possibility for him to go to a second/neighboring country and by paying a huge amount of money obtaining a Visit or working visa (as i have talked in above!)...
One important question:
1. IF he arrived to Canadian airport and did not have any travel documents (I mean if he had to chose the illegal way to save his life,) what will happen?
2. If the documents were checked at the airplane before they get off the Plane and he did not have any Travel documents but was able to prove his admissibility for asylum and had reasonable and logical reasons for not having travel documents, but had enough documents to prove his Identity and his being prosecuted, would he be deported back with the same flight? What will happen?
Would he have a chance to talk and state his problems and dangers toward his life or NOT?

Paying 30k to someone is dogey... It's exactly what CIC is warning people against. If your friend isn't eligible to apply on his own, these people are going to lie... If he submits the paperwork and misrepresents himself in the hope of getting a visa - he has very little change of being able to stay in Canada. Using a reputable lawyer my work visa was sorted out for like 1k and my CEC PR application was only a fraction of what this "agency" is asking him to pay... They will either steal his money or lie - either way, it wont help him.

1) Get him to speak with a good Canadian immigration lawyer
2) If he has any hope of a visa, they will help.
3) If he doesn't have hope of a visa but has grounds for asylum / refugee status, they will also be able to help.
4) Chances are this would cost far less than what he is proposing to pay, and would likely be far more successful.

You can do a search on google for immigration lawyers in Canada. The Canada Visa website is owned by a lawyer who I believe is based in Quebec. If you want the details of my lawyer, send me a PM.

Help your friend do the right thing...

 

[amikety]

It IS that Bad and he genuinely needs help! You know what the problem is? Having a visa is difficult but not impossible! And going illegally has its own problems! I wonder how to advise him. There is a possibility for him to go to a second/neighboring country and by paying a huge amount of money obtaining a Visit or working visa (as i have talked in above!)...
One important question:
1. IF he arrived to Canadian airport and did not have any travel documents (I mean if he had to chose the illegal way to save his life,) what will happen?
2. If the documents were checked at the airplane before they get off the Plane and he did not have any Travel documents but was able to prove his admissibility for asylum and had reasonable and logical reasons for not having travel documents, but had enough documents to prove his Identity and his being prosecuted, would he be deported back with the same flight? What will happen?
Would he have a chance to talk and state his problems and dangers toward his life or NOT?

1) He cannot get on a plane to Canada without travel documents. If he's in such a bad situation, he needs to apply for protection before trying to come to Canada.

2) The airline workers won't care. They are airline workers, not immigration workers. They can get into big trouble if they let him on the plane (like being fired) so they won't let him on the plane. (Ask yourself - do you/does he really want to hurt another person that way?)

It's a moot point. He will not be allowed to board a flight to Canada without valid travel documents.

Once again, if he is that bad, he needs to apply for protection outside Canada.

Read some of these links and answer them honestly. Refugee status is actually somewhat difficult to prove. Only 3400 or so people actually qualified last year.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-immigration-faq-refugee-status.html

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/outside/apply-after.asp - Outside Canada refugee

If he decides to travel illegally to Canada (that work permit is 110% fake and a huge scam), he will only compound his problems because of his lies. If he wants compassion, he needs to do it the right way. Lying and trying to cheat his way in will only upset or anger people.

Another option is to try to get a US visa. He can drive to the US/Canada border and apply without the need for Canadian documents, but he will need the same type of proof as any other method. If he doesn't bring proof, he will be denied.

 

[Fariha_farid]

Paying 30k to someone is dogey... It's exactly what CIC is warning people against. If your friend isn't eligible to apply on his own, these people are going to lie... If he submits the paperwork and misrepresents himself in the hope of getting a visa - he has very little change of being able to stay in Canada. Using a reputable lawyer my work visa was sorted out for like 1k and my CEC PR application was only a fraction of what this "agency" is asking him to pay... They will either steal his money or lie - either way, it wont help him.

1) Get him to speak with a good Canadian immigration lawyer
2) If he has any hope of a visa, they will help.
3) If he doesn't have hope of a visa but has grounds for asylum / refugee status, they will also be able to help.
4) Chances are this would cost far less than what he is proposing to pay, and would likely be far more successful.

You can do a search on google for immigration lawyers in Canada. The Canada Visa website is owned by a lawyer who I believe is based in Quebec. If you want the details of my lawyer, send me a PM.

Help your friend do the right thing...

You know he is in a situation that is ready to pay any amount of money or do anything to save his life and his family's life! It is hard to understand what really goes on with him! we need to be in that situation to understand! It might be so awful!
What you state is very logical and helpful... Thank you very much! I will keep him posted and let him decide!
Really appreciate it!